Which of these would be a better buy?
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Just out of curiosity,
If I were in the market for buying a 997 Turbo for around the 50k area which of these would be the better buy?
A remapped beast with mods:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
or
A more standard machine:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
If I were in the market for buying a 997 Turbo for around the 50k area which of these would be the better buy?
A remapped beast with mods:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
or
A more standard machine:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Depends on what you want. If you intend to modify and want 600hp then, if you are happy with the company (DMS) that has done the works, it will likely be cheaper ready done, rather than having to do it yourself.
If you are looking from a collectable perspective then a standard car (or one with easily reversible mods) is more appealing. It is arguable whether a map is ever fully reversible as most say it can be spotted when interrogating ecu. Also won't be able to put a Porsche warranty on it ever.
The colour of both of these has less of a market, so they may be harder to get out of it when the time comes.
If you are looking from a collectable perspective then a standard car (or one with easily reversible mods) is more appealing. It is arguable whether a map is ever fully reversible as most say it can be spotted when interrogating ecu. Also won't be able to put a Porsche warranty on it ever.
The colour of both of these has less of a market, so they may be harder to get out of it when the time comes.
Mind WHO you buy from as well as WHAT you buy.
Personally I'd feel more comfortable buying from a recognized Porsche Indy (JZM, Paragon, RPM Technik, JAZ, Northway etc etc) so I'd know I'll not be getting ripped off, or sold a clocked or under-prepared car with a secret history - I've not heard of either of the sellers whose links you've posted there.
Just my 10 cents having bought a few of these :-)
Personally I'd feel more comfortable buying from a recognized Porsche Indy (JZM, Paragon, RPM Technik, JAZ, Northway etc etc) so I'd know I'll not be getting ripped off, or sold a clocked or under-prepared car with a secret history - I've not heard of either of the sellers whose links you've posted there.
Just my 10 cents having bought a few of these :-)
Excellent replies - confirmed what I was thinking.
Not having much experience with Porsche - if a professional check over came back with a clean bill of health on the modified car, is that considered 'peace of mind' with these engines?
Or is that level of modification a significant risk?
Some say that the race derived Porsche engines are near bullet proof, some say otherwise.
Not having much experience with Porsche - if a professional check over came back with a clean bill of health on the modified car, is that considered 'peace of mind' with these engines?
Or is that level of modification a significant risk?
Some say that the race derived Porsche engines are near bullet proof, some say otherwise.
ALT F4 said:
Excellent replies - confirmed what I was thinking.
Not having much experience with Porsche - if a professional check over came back with a clean bill of health on the modified car, is that considered 'peace of mind' with these engines?
Or is that level of modification a significant risk?
Some say that the race derived Porsche engines are near bullet proof, some say otherwise.
Can't comment on those specific cars, but personally I'd be drawn to the to tuned car. Not having much experience with Porsche - if a professional check over came back with a clean bill of health on the modified car, is that considered 'peace of mind' with these engines?
Or is that level of modification a significant risk?
Some say that the race derived Porsche engines are near bullet proof, some say otherwise.
That's not really a lot of modifications, just a few bolt ons and 600 HP is not a big deal for that engine.
fredt said:
Can't comment on those specific cars, but personally I'd be drawn to the to tuned car.
That's not really a lot of modifications, just a few bolt ons and 600 HP is not a big deal for that engine.
+1, the mods are decent and done by a reputable company. DMS have 900+ bhp 911 Turbos so this one is relatively tame. But that's if you could live with the blue interior!!That's not really a lot of modifications, just a few bolt ons and 600 HP is not a big deal for that engine.
DJMC said:
You narrow your resale market dramatically with a modded car.
Having said that, for the few that DO want a modded car, there are far less about.
Generally there would be far more buyers at any one time looking for an unmolested car.
Resale resale... Having said that, for the few that DO want a modded car, there are far less about.
Generally there would be far more buyers at any one time looking for an unmolested car.
I buy cars to drive them
But I don't wish to buy in to any unreliability.
DJMC said:
ALT F4 said:
Resale resale...
I buy cars to drive them
But I don't wish to buy in to any unreliability.
If you're fine with throwing money away in depreciation whilst you own the modded one, why should reliability matter?I buy cars to drive them
But I don't wish to buy in to any unreliability.
Just throw more money at it in repairs whilst you own it.
;-)
; anyways, if the modded one is seen to depreciate much more than the purchase price; But reliability is much more important, as lack of it is not what you want when stuck on top of the Alps for example.(I tend to do a lot of European driving and seek driver's roads along with numerous visits to the Nurburgring).
A lot of ignorance going on here...
I personally have not had a car with a DMS tune, however have read that they
are good Porsche tuners. A properly tuned car is just as reliable as a non
tuned one. A badly tuned car is always a problem as it will be running lean in areas
of the map and this is a big factor in wearing an engine...
The notion that a 911 Turbo with a proper map that has costs thousands is somehow
less worth as a result is bonkers. The right people doing the right things in
the right order add up to a far more appealing purchase, it tells me that the
owner knows about the bloody car, as opposed to some womble who wanted a
911 Turbo to brag about, knows f**k all about it, and cant drive it anyway...
As a keen driver I have always wanted more power when I adapted to the level of
power on the table, its natural if you are into driving.
That's why I wanted a Turbo, its the ultimate expression of street car prowess.
And, as anyone with proper experience knows, a properly tuned 911 Turbo is a whole
different car from the standard gig, I drove my brothers stock car the other day and
I could actually ring its neck over A roads. A tuned example requires a different
approach, it truly does take all your concentration to manage the ridiculous velocity with
which it propels you between corners, so the tuned car develops you as a driver, this is
why joe bloggs cannot get into a race car and go, it reacts too quickly, too sharply,
its a skill that needs honed until it becomes the norm, and then the driver starts to
exploit the limits of what he has on his manageable table..
I say well done to the chap with the modded car for having the gonads to stick it up there,
the reality is that it will be a well sorted car, and to try and replicate what has been
done will be a long lonely expensive affair.....Now I never said I liked the color, for me
its always a bit too sickly, looks good on a Renault or a Ford, not a Porsche, color is
so personal an opinion though, and can rarely be said to be wrong, unlike the bulls
t spoken
above which is brainwashed OPC dealer chat....
You know who you are......
I personally have not had a car with a DMS tune, however have read that they
are good Porsche tuners. A properly tuned car is just as reliable as a non
tuned one. A badly tuned car is always a problem as it will be running lean in areas
of the map and this is a big factor in wearing an engine...
The notion that a 911 Turbo with a proper map that has costs thousands is somehow
less worth as a result is bonkers. The right people doing the right things in
the right order add up to a far more appealing purchase, it tells me that the
owner knows about the bloody car, as opposed to some womble who wanted a
911 Turbo to brag about, knows f**k all about it, and cant drive it anyway...
As a keen driver I have always wanted more power when I adapted to the level of
power on the table, its natural if you are into driving.
That's why I wanted a Turbo, its the ultimate expression of street car prowess.
And, as anyone with proper experience knows, a properly tuned 911 Turbo is a whole
different car from the standard gig, I drove my brothers stock car the other day and
I could actually ring its neck over A roads. A tuned example requires a different
approach, it truly does take all your concentration to manage the ridiculous velocity with
which it propels you between corners, so the tuned car develops you as a driver, this is
why joe bloggs cannot get into a race car and go, it reacts too quickly, too sharply,
its a skill that needs honed until it becomes the norm, and then the driver starts to
exploit the limits of what he has on his manageable table..
I say well done to the chap with the modded car for having the gonads to stick it up there,
the reality is that it will be a well sorted car, and to try and replicate what has been
done will be a long lonely expensive affair.....Now I never said I liked the color, for me
its always a bit too sickly, looks good on a Renault or a Ford, not a Porsche, color is
so personal an opinion though, and can rarely be said to be wrong, unlike the bulls
t spokenabove which is brainwashed OPC dealer chat....
You know who you are......
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