991.2 GT3 manual breaks cover.....
991.2 GT3 manual breaks cover.....
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giles panizzi

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323 posts

256 months

Budflicker

3,799 posts

207 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Lets see how many people spec the Manual option over the PDK option though.

g7jhp

7,027 posts

261 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Budflicker said:
Lets see how many people spec the Manual option over the PDK option though.
Those with an eye on fun and longer term value will go manual.

NBTBRV8

2,064 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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But you can't but help wonder if the boat has already sailed, those that bought a new 991.1 GT3 will have moved on, were there that many people that didn't buy it because there was no manual on offer?

I reckon it is great that they are offering it, but I can't see it selling any more than 10-15% of total volume. Probably would have been more if it was released initially.

Slippydiff

16,031 posts

246 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Possibly a different buyer demographic to Ferrari, but if sales of flappy paddle 430's were anything to go by, there won't be that many manual 991 GT3's ordered.

mdianuk

2,893 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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I suspect as you say, only a tiny proportion will opt for the Manual anyway. I will be though if I get a slot. I reckon around 600 will come to the UK (the thirst for these cars has improved similarly to the GT4), so only 100 or so Manuals would be attractive.

Cheib

25,076 posts

198 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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I think 10% of regular 991's have manual boxes. I suspect the take up here will be significantly higher...the rave reviews of the GT4 and in particular the R will have rekindled people's interest in the manual box. Long term the manual will definitely be the one to have...PDK in 997 is already dated vs 991 according to some and that will continue. Transmission technology is improving faster than almost anything else in a car.

hunter 66

4,190 posts

243 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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I agree there will be about 5-600 and I will go Manual ........ although paddles best on track ( already have race cars for that ) for the old style joy of driving .......a stick ..

tonto1

441 posts

225 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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I'm hopefull of being in the running for one of these and, if offered, fully intend to go manual.

tenfour

26,140 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Slippydiff said:
Possibly a different buyer demographic to Ferrari, but if sales of flappy paddle 430's were anything to go by, there won't be that many manual 991 GT3's ordered.
Different demographic, surely.

People buy GT3s for one very specific reason, and that's (generally) not to sit and rev the tits off them on a Knightsbridge street corner.

Alas, Ferrari's increasing majority customer base have never even set foot in a car with three pedals; hence it was natural decision.

For the showboaters, racing driver wannabes and posers, Porsche still offer many alternatives (which are still amazingly capable cars), but I think the fantastic success of the GT4 proved to Porsche's GT division that there are some proper, die-hard enthusiasts out there (with a bit of cash) who are only interested in the driving, and not necessarily absolute lap times or impressing Russian hookers.

Apart from which, one doesn't really order a car with a roll cage unless s/he's serious about driving...

tenfour

26,140 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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hunter 66 said:
I agree there will be about 5-600 and I will go Manual ........ although paddles best on track ( already have race cars for that ) for the old style joy of driving .......a stick ..
Undoubtedly, a paddle box is best for track work... if ultimate lap times are your thing.

Here's the rub though: chasing ultimate lap times in a stock production car that also has to keep you safe in an accident via multiple, heavy airbags; tell you how to get to that accident via heavy electrics; keep you cool with heavy HVAC and prevent you from suffering tinnitus through lots of... heavy sound-deadening, is well, rather pointless.

And this is why I'll never understand the appeal of an automatic gearbox (however competent) in a sports car. Unless, that car is a pared back pure track machine with zero road credentials, then why obsess about a gearbox capable of lightening fast shifts, but which ultimately robs the driver of a crucial piece of the enjoyment? Apart from which, a proper sequential racing 'box is far more fit for purpose.

So in the end you get a fabulously accomplished machine, with lots of track pretensions, but which in stock form will soon begin to wilt from sustained abuse. Why bother?

Instead, accept that the GT3 is the worlds best sporting car, and revel in one of the best manual shifts ever to grace any car. Milliseconds off your lap time be damned.

lemmingjames

7,851 posts

227 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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because pub talk and the need to be alpha male to some who must have the latest gadgets

hunter 66

4,190 posts

243 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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They help in mid corner race moments when rubbing ......


swimd

350 posts

144 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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one of the funniest spy shots in a while with that cover.

I can see the redline begins at 8.5 or 8.6 - old one was 9.0

4.0L engine?

swimd

350 posts

144 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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NBTBRV8 said:
But you can't but help wonder if the boat has already sailed, those that bought a new 991.1 GT3 will have moved on, were there that many people that didn't buy it because there was no manual on offer?
Quite a few GT3 owners bought GT4s for the manual box alone. I know two.

SL550M

633 posts

133 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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[quote=tenfour]

People buy GT3s for one very specific reason, and that's (generally) not to sit and rev the tits off them on a Knightsbridge street corner.

Tired cliche alert! smile
And there are plenty of Ferrari owners living (and enjoying their cars) outside of London, my friend.

sidicks

25,218 posts

244 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Cheib said:
I think 10% of regular 991's have manual boxes. I suspect the take up here will be significantly higher...the rave reviews of the GT4 and in particular the R will have rekindled people's interest in the manual box. Long term the manual will definitely be the one to have...PDK in 997 is already dated vs 991 according to some and that will continue. Transmission technology is improving faster than almost anything else in a car.
Agreed - I'd reckon at least 1/3rd manual, 2/3rds PDK, maybe closer to 50:50.

TheDeadPrussian

879 posts

240 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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If I'm allocated one, it will be manual. I think that more than 50% will opt for a manual gearbox.

A manual gearbox in the GT3 will certainly tempt back some buyers who were lost to the PDK 991.1 version. I would certainly look to trade my GT4 against a manual GT3...

tenfour

26,140 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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SL550M said:
Tired cliche alert! smile
And there are plenty of Ferrari owners living (and enjoying their cars) outside of London, my friend.
I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately, there's not enough of you to convince Maranello to retain the manual.


SL550M

633 posts

133 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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tenfour said:
I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately, there's not enough of you to convince Maranello to retain the manual.
That is true.