The Manthey GT3 at 911V...
Discussion
...It's been around a while and I think well known on here
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1079/996GT...
Is it any good or does the Manthey kit make it hopeless on the road? I've happily used a 996GT3RS as a road car, how does it compare?
I presume it's not been crashed?
Bert
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1079/996GT...
Is it any good or does the Manthey kit make it hopeless on the road? I've happily used a 996GT3RS as a road car, how does it compare?
I presume it's not been crashed?
Bert
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember this is a comfort model that has been correctly converted to clubsport spec. Although it doesn't really make a bit of difference, the lack of 003 on the spec sheet will put some buyers off. This & the miles may explain why it's not moved on so far.
As to the driving experience, there's a lot more induction noise than is found on any "normal" 996 GT3. The exhaust makes itself heard a bit more than standard, particularly at the top of the rev range, but not in a bad way & it will still pass the noise test at most tracks. The Manthey kit just sharpens up the engine response & takes absolutely nothing away from how well the car drives on the road, quite the opposite. The 6-pots & Alcons are a "must have" upgrade if you are doing any track work, but it seems those days are gone for many GT3s now, more's the pity
It's on at reasonably strong money, particularly at this time of year, but that's not to say it's absolutely worth it to the right buyer.
As to the driving experience, there's a lot more induction noise than is found on any "normal" 996 GT3. The exhaust makes itself heard a bit more than standard, particularly at the top of the rev range, but not in a bad way & it will still pass the noise test at most tracks. The Manthey kit just sharpens up the engine response & takes absolutely nothing away from how well the car drives on the road, quite the opposite. The 6-pots & Alcons are a "must have" upgrade if you are doing any track work, but it seems those days are gone for many GT3s now, more's the pity
It's on at reasonably strong money, particularly at this time of year, but that's not to say it's absolutely worth it to the right buyer.
Pretty sure those KWs are pretty good on the road (have a 'bypass valve' to deal with big bumps, I think?).
https://www.kwsuspensions.net/technology/valve_tec...
https://www.kwsuspensions.net/technology/valve_tec...
jimmyslr said:
No worse than standard and maybe better. I know a couple of guys who’ve had these and all fine (in the context of it being a hardcore Car)
Agree. Had them on my 996.2 GT3 - made for a much better car with minimal loss of ride comfort, if any. And you can easily soften them off. Chris Franklin fitted mine and set them up as per KW recommendations.
Good evening all.
just been informed about this thread, and would like to contribute?
I find the comments quite interesting. I am the current owner of this car.
I have had quite a few Porsche cars, from, 3.2 Carrera, 930 turbo, 996 turbo S, 3.8 Gen 2 GT3, 997 GTS, to name but a few.
I have to be honest there has always been something that doesn't cut it for me? That is until I drove this car. It really has everything going for it. It drives superbly on the roads and made me smile each time I went out in it. HOWEVER, when I bought this car I Part exchanged my 997 GTS in for it, which was a fantastic all round car, but just didn't give me the thrill that I was craving. When I did the deal I did so without consulting my wife!
Lets say she loves the look of the car but just is not for her. She says: "its too raw for her". I do not agree with her and neither does my son, who was in on the deal. But after 30 years of marriage I have to compromise? (I know a few will disagree).
The compromise is still Porsche perhaps a 997 turbo? time will tell?
just been informed about this thread, and would like to contribute?
I find the comments quite interesting. I am the current owner of this car.
I have had quite a few Porsche cars, from, 3.2 Carrera, 930 turbo, 996 turbo S, 3.8 Gen 2 GT3, 997 GTS, to name but a few.
I have to be honest there has always been something that doesn't cut it for me? That is until I drove this car. It really has everything going for it. It drives superbly on the roads and made me smile each time I went out in it. HOWEVER, when I bought this car I Part exchanged my 997 GTS in for it, which was a fantastic all round car, but just didn't give me the thrill that I was craving. When I did the deal I did so without consulting my wife!
Lets say she loves the look of the car but just is not for her. She says: "its too raw for her". I do not agree with her and neither does my son, who was in on the deal. But after 30 years of marriage I have to compromise? (I know a few will disagree).
The compromise is still Porsche perhaps a 997 turbo? time will tell?
“I have to be honest there has always been something that doesn't cut it for me? That is until I drove this car. It really has everything going for it. It drives superbly on the roads “
Out of all the Pork I’ve owned, this car stood out head and shoulders above all as THE best hooning tool for the road.
More focused and visceral than a standard Mk 1or 2 996 GT3, both the induction and exhaust noise at full noise are to die for, discrete it is not ... but driven sensibly, (high gear, low speed) it’s unobtrusive enough.
I liken the car to a modern day aircooled 964/993 RS but with at least 100hp more.
The car isn’t tricky to drive, but it does have a certain character that’s lacking in the standard car.
The KW’s are very user friendly, but they don’t provide anything like the body control the Ohlins 3 ways I had fitted to the car.
The car has a genuine Clubsport rear cage and had a Clubsport lightweight flywheel assembly and clutch fitted less than 5k miles ago (mileage iirc)
The car is an all original panel example and has the benefit of a Manthey billet gearshift, new Alcon discs, 6 pot Mk 2 front calipers, refurbished wheels, and re-Connolised seats.
Out of all the Pork I’ve owned, this car stood out head and shoulders above all as THE best hooning tool for the road.
More focused and visceral than a standard Mk 1or 2 996 GT3, both the induction and exhaust noise at full noise are to die for, discrete it is not ... but driven sensibly, (high gear, low speed) it’s unobtrusive enough.
I liken the car to a modern day aircooled 964/993 RS but with at least 100hp more.
The car isn’t tricky to drive, but it does have a certain character that’s lacking in the standard car.
The KW’s are very user friendly, but they don’t provide anything like the body control the Ohlins 3 ways I had fitted to the car.
The car has a genuine Clubsport rear cage and had a Clubsport lightweight flywheel assembly and clutch fitted less than 5k miles ago (mileage iirc)
The car is an all original panel example and has the benefit of a Manthey billet gearshift, new Alcon discs, 6 pot Mk 2 front calipers, refurbished wheels, and re-Connolised seats.
Thanks Slippy and Andy for the useful information. The car really takes my fancy. I had a 996 GT3 RS for a few years which I loved even though I only used it as a road car. I sold the RS when I stopped commuting and was home based for a while. It basically stood idle in the garage for a year, so I sold it to fund some more racing - really daft move in retrospect.
I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
I've lost count how many times I've looked at this advert!
Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Advert:
Upgrade includes weight saving replacement exhaust system with more efficient manifold, high flow Cats and rear silencers in conjunction with MAF deletion, Cup air filter and ECU remap.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Advert:
Upgrade includes weight saving replacement exhaust system with more efficient manifold, high flow Cats and rear silencers in conjunction with MAF deletion, Cup air filter and ECU remap.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
BertBert said:
Thanks Slippy and Andy for the useful information. The car really takes my fancy. I had a 996 GT3 RS for a few years which I loved even though I only used it as a road car. I sold the RS when I stopped commuting and was home based for a while. It basically stood idle in the garage for a year, so I sold it to fund some more racing - really daft move in retrospect.
I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
I let go of my less than 16k miles 996 GT3 RS for the black Manthey Mk1 after driving them down this stretch of road back to back :I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
https://goo.gl/maps/BEvGeBtzwMC2
I drove them both on a day not dissimilar to today, the roads wet/damp. the temp hovering just above freezing and with leaf mulch making the road slicker still under the trees. The Manthey car was on much heat cycled and old Cup 1's and looked at the tired tyres with some trepidation knowing full well the GT3 RS on PS's had been a handful on the route I'd just driven.
I needn't have worried, once comfortable in the Manthey car, it all felt wonderfully familiar (I'd written off my Zanzibar Mk1 in Scotland 4 months previously, and broken a rib in the process) With my confidence after the accident already low, a couple of months in the GT3 RS had only sought to lower it further still, but five minutes behind the wheel of the Manthey car saw my mojo rapidly returning. Even on the tired Cup 1's and the KW's set to soft (though with hindsight probably BECAUSE the they were set to soft) the car just gripped and inspired confidence.
I returned to Fearnsport half an hour later beaming from ear to ear, and knowing full well I'd be buying the car. A deal was done immediately and thus I took ownership of one of the best 911's I've owned.
CocoUK said:
I've lost count how many times I've looked at this advert!
Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
Manthey initially used M & M manifolds combined with a Europipe system (cats, X pipe and silencers) before commissioning M & M to make the complete system and manifolds. IMO the early Europipe/M&M systems sound better (though noisier) than the complete M&M system.Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
This is the early M&M/Europipe version :
I'd buy the old girl back in a heartbeat, but I'm likely to be heading back to air-cooled pastures.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 8th January 19:11
Slippydiff said:
BertBert said:
Thanks Slippy and Andy for the useful information. The car really takes my fancy. I had a 996 GT3 RS for a few years which I loved even though I only used it as a road car. I sold the RS when I stopped commuting and was home based for a while. It basically stood idle in the garage for a year, so I sold it to fund some more racing - really daft move in retrospect.
I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
I let go of my less than 16k miles 996 GT3 RS for the black Manthey Mk1 after driving them down this stretch of road back to back :I now do loads of road miles so am on the look out for a fun car to do some of those miles in. Best find some time to head over to 911Virgin-towers.
Bert
https://goo.gl/maps/BEvGeBtzwMC2
I drove them both on a day not dissimilar to today, the roads wet/damp. the temp hovering just above freezing and with leaf mulch making the road slicker still under the trees. The Manthey car was on much heat cycled and old Cup 1's and looked at the tired tyres with some trepidation knowing full well the GT3 RS on PS's had been a handful on the route I'd just driven.
I needn't have worried, once comfortable in the Manthey car, it all felt wonderfully familiar (I'd written off my Zanzibar Mk1 in Scotland 4 months previously, and broken a rib in the process) With my confidence after the accident already low, a couple of months in the GT3 RS had only sought to lower it further still, but five minutes behind the wheel of the Manthey car saw my mojo rapidly returning. Even on the tired Cup 1's and the KW's set to soft (though with hindsight probably BECAUSE the they were set to soft) the car just gripped and inspired confidence.
I returned to Fearnsport half an hour later beaming from ear to ear, and knowing full well I'd be buying the car. A deal was done immediately and thus I took ownership of one of the best 911's I've owned.
CocoUK said:
I've lost count how many times I've looked at this advert!
Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
Manthey initially used M & M manifolds combined with a Europipe system (cats, X pipe and silencers) before commissioning M & M to make the complete system and manifolds. IMO the early Europipe/M&M systems sound better (though noisier) than the complete M&M system.Reads like it's a bloody decent drive.
Do we know the exhaust system used?
This is the early M&M/Europipe version :
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 8th January 19:09
Seems a bit dear to me but maybe I'm not giving the 996 enough credit as simply a nice piece of engineering and something special to own? Depends what sort of nick its in/type of use I suppose but in my experience 60 to100k miles is when these old war horses can become pretty expensive hobbies to keep in tip top condition.
Desert Dragon said:
As an experience and just something nice to own is it worth £64k in your opinion? No-one better placed to opine
Seems a bit dear to me but maybe I'm not giving the 996 enough credit as simply a nice piece of engineering and something special to own? Depends what sort of nick its in/type of use I suppose but in my experience 60 to100k miles is when these old war horses can become pretty expensive hobbies to keep in tip top condition.
Prices are all over the place currently, so the market is difficult to call IMO. There's a genuine Mk1 Clubsport been on the market some months now, it's cheap, and it's cheap with good reason.Seems a bit dear to me but maybe I'm not giving the 996 enough credit as simply a nice piece of engineering and something special to own? Depends what sort of nick its in/type of use I suppose but in my experience 60 to100k miles is when these old war horses can become pretty expensive hobbies to keep in tip top condition.
But your right, once past 60k miles these can get prohibitively expensive to run, this one however has had the expensive bits attended to, brakes. tyres, clutch, flywheel, wheels all have been replaced or overhauled.
Those Mk1 six pot calipers and new Alcon discs would cost the thick end of £4k, JZM discounted the K400 conversion heftily in latter years, but it'll still cost you £5k fitted (and maybe a tad more), new tyres and refurbed wheels would cost you £1250, the Manthey KW's another £4k I'd guess, the clutch and lightweight flywheel weren't cheap (a new release bearing, crossshaft bearings and release bearing tube were fitted at the same time) it all adds up....
As an experience to drive and something nice to own, yes, it's worth every penny IMO. It's a very tidy, original panel car that drives beautifully, and is sufficiently different from a standard Mk1 to make it "special".
I ran it with some very expensive 3 way adjustable Ohlins remote reservoir dampers and Cup rear toe links, in that guise it drove more like a superbly (for which read properly) damped Gen 1 997 GT3 than a 996.... It was an amazing road car.
I'm guessing that unless something in the car/package is unappealing, the market thinks it's pricey otherwise it would have sold.
There may be nervousness about the mileage and what a new owner might face in the next 10k-20k miles. Or whether it had done a lot of track miles.
I wondered whether it was very hardcore, but sounds like it should be superb.
My problem is that Mrs Bert has laid down the law. One in, one out... so one of the air cooled beauties would have to go. Not sure I'm ready for that.
There may be nervousness about the mileage and what a new owner might face in the next 10k-20k miles. Or whether it had done a lot of track miles.
I wondered whether it was very hardcore, but sounds like it should be superb.
My problem is that Mrs Bert has laid down the law. One in, one out... so one of the air cooled beauties would have to go. Not sure I'm ready for that.
BertBert said:
I'm guessing that unless something in the car/package is unappealing, the market thinks it's pricey otherwise it would have sold.
There may be nervousness about the mileage and what a new owner might face in the next 10k-20k miles. Or whether it had done a lot of track miles.
I wondered whether it was very hardcore, but sounds like it should be superb.
My problem is that Mrs Bert has laid down the law. One in, one out... so one of the air cooled beauties would have to go. Not sure I'm ready for that.
The colour won't appeal to everyone, neither will the fact it's modified, add in it's wrong time of the year to be buying such "toys", and I wouldn't be surprised if it's stuck there until April.There may be nervousness about the mileage and what a new owner might face in the next 10k-20k miles. Or whether it had done a lot of track miles.
I wondered whether it was very hardcore, but sounds like it should be superb.
My problem is that Mrs Bert has laid down the law. One in, one out... so one of the air cooled beauties would have to go. Not sure I'm ready for that.
What air cooled loveliness do you have Berty ?
I saw it in the flesh when I viewed and then collected my matching black MK1 GT3, it's a very very tidy looking and well spec'd car. The guys at 911V have been excellent to deal with and I would not hesitate to recommend them, I suggest getting over viewing/driving it. It's a very relaxed environment there with no pressure to buy etc, I viewed mine twice before going ahead.
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