991 Turbos....much love?

[FrankCayman]

I don't seem to see much mentioned on here these days about the 991 Turbos

Seems to be all about Carrera S, GTS's, GT3's and T's etc

Has the iconic 911 Turbo lost favour these days due to speculators of GT stuff?

[r1flyguy1]

Not much to say really

Fast as F**k, hugely capable, less GT3 extreme, autobhan killer, everyday usable and.......


Easily purchased for those not on the favoured OPC buyers lists for GT cars

[AL001]

FrankCayman said:

I don't seem to see much mentioned on here these days about the 991 Turbos

Seems to be all about Carrera S, GTS's, GT3's and T's etc

Has the iconic 911 Turbo lost favour these days due to speculators of GT stuff?

Yes, enjoy my daily driven 991 turbo s and have 25,000 miles in current one. 997tts and GT2 were dailys prior to that.

Most owners probably don’t feel the need to drivel on about spec/prices, as has become the norm here.

[Chubbyross]

AL001 said:

FrankCayman said:

I don't seem to see much mentioned on here these days about the 991 Turbos

Seems to be all about Carrera S, GTS's, GT3's and T's etc

Has the iconic 911 Turbo lost favour these days due to speculators of GT stuff?

Yes, enjoy my daily driven 991 turbo s and have 25,000 miles in current one. 997tts and GT2 were dailys prior to that.

Most owners probably don’t feel the need to drivel on about spec/prices, as has become the norm here.

Pretty much this. My 997 (sorry, not 991) turbo is a weekend toy, goes like a rocket and is relatively reliable. Water cooled turbos are capable all-rounders these days and, as such, are generally seen as pretty boring by the air cooled or GT pundits. The 991s seem to depreciate in a slow predictable manner and aren’t usually of interest to those people interested in a financial punt, unlike, say, the GT cars.

[CamL]

I love mine, and use it daily, 35000 miles so far and intend to keep it for a good bit longer. On go the winter tyres and ski rack for trips to the alps, and on goes the bike rack for cycling getaways in summer, rubber floor mats and a plastic boot liner means no worry about muddy mess getting inside. The versatility is amazing for a a car with such performance,

This is my favourite car to date, and my favourite regular drive in it is down the D996 and D959 on the way to and from the alps, hoofing it down there at nowhere near its limit but pretty fast anyway is magic I have driven these roads in summer on Cup 2s, and in winter on light powder snow before it was ploughed - a bit like that video of the 911 on the 'ring in snow - slightly surreal experience..

Mine is tweaked a bit which adds to the aural pleasure and sharpens up the handling,. not a GT but mighty good fun. In my opinion they are the under the radar option from Porsche - not too shouty, but can really deliver the goods

[Desert Dragon]

Best all weather supercar out there bar none.

[Deep]

Love mine and use it daily, amazing car.

Often put down by people who have never spent time with or think they are driving gods for reasons like

It sounds like a hoover. Actually, mash the pedal and it will absolutely scream. The rest of the time I don't really want to draw attention to myself.

It is too fast/has too much power. Imho, you can never have too much power!

The driver doesn't have to do anything, the car does it all. Really? I've always found keeping a 560 BHP car under control requires me to concentrate.

And various other stuff like that lol.

Anyway, wonderful cars.

[Big Raff]

Did a back to back Turbo vs GT3 experience in Los Angeles in January on their track (which is brilliant btw), 2 hours in each and the turbo, which wasn't even the 'S' I thought was absolutley brilliant. OK its not as loud as the gt3 and it doesnt look quite as cool (imo of course) but it doesn't hummm, nor does it hang about, Loved it!

[CrashBang]

Video is worth a watch, albeit a Turbo S, GT cars are flavor of the month, Turbo is a monster.

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/news/2017/2/vid...

[TB993tt]

I bought a new 991T.2S in 2017 and got rid after 1000 miles, it felt like a big Audi, just felt very heavy and too easy to drive, unconnected to the road. I discussed this with a German Porsche exec at the Frankfurt Motorshow whilst viewing the new GT2RS and with typical Germanic frankness exclaimed "it is not a GT car"..... summed it up nicely.

[Deep]

CrashBang said:

Video is worth a watch, albeit a Turbo S, GT cars are flavor of the month, Turbo is a monster.

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/news/2017/2/vid...

Then some people will insist that the TTS isn't a supercar or sports car it's just a fat GT. Show me another GT car that can match a GT3 RS around a circuit.

Thanks for the video

[MDL111]

Desert Dragon said:

Best all weather supercar out there bar none.

I’d argue the FF/GTC4 is better even if heavier, but much nicer engine and a true 4 seater

[IMI A]

MDL111 said:

Desert Dragon said:

Best all weather supercar out there bar none.

I’d argue the FF/GTC4 is better even if heavier, but much nicer engine and a true 4 seater

dynamically turbo s on another level as the big v12 in a completely different class of car. Its a fastback / estate of types really in the Jensen Interceptor mould.

Emotionally the F car obviously has it but as an over all ownership proposition Porker still the better option i.e. list price, running/servicing costs inc fuel, insurance plus a four seat F wouldn't know which way its gone its so fast even stock

Been speaking to Ken at 9e and stick a sports exhaust like a Europipe 2 and 9e tune on a turbo s and you have a car which sounds like a GT2 RS and does 0-300kph in 18-19 secs. Incredible a 720s will struggle to live with that with its traction disadvantage.

[Deep]

IMI A said:

dynamically turbo s on another level as the big v12 in a completely different class of car. Its a fastback / estate of types really in the Jensen Interceptor mould.

Emotionally the F car obviously has it but as an over all ownership proposition Porker still the better option i.e. list price, running/servicing costs inc fuel, insurance plus a four seat F wouldn't know which way its gone its so fast even stock

Been speaking to Ken at 9e and stick a sports exhaust like a Europipe 2 and 9e tune on a turbo s and you have a car which sounds like a GT2 RS and does 0-300kph in 18-19 secs. Incredible a 720s will struggle to live with that with its traction disadvantage.

I've never driven one but I assume its long bonnet and limited rear visibility means it won't be as 'chuckable' on UK roads.

[IMI A]

Deep said:

IMI A said:

dynamically turbo s on another level as the big v12 in a completely different class of car. Its a fastback / estate of types really in the Jensen Interceptor mould.

Emotionally the F car obviously has it but as an over all ownership proposition Porker still the better option i.e. list price, running/servicing costs inc fuel, insurance plus a four seat F wouldn't know which way its gone its so fast even stock

Been speaking to Ken at 9e and stick a sports exhaust like a Europipe 2 and 9e tune on a turbo s and you have a car which sounds like a GT2 RS and does 0-300kph in 18-19 secs. Incredible a 720s will struggle to live with that with its traction disadvantage.

I've never driven one but I assume its long bonnet and limited rear visibility means it won't be as 'chuckable' on UK roads.

Handling the turbo s defies physics despite its mass. The FF can not hide its mass in the same way. Forget corners even 0-300kph in a straight line circa 40 secs i.e. more than double a slightly fettled 991 turbo s takes. Even a stock 991 turbo S circa 28 secs 0-300kph. Cars a monster super GT in terms of performance

[ab8]

I ran a new 991.2 TTS from 0-17k miles including track days, autobahn runs, inner city commuting, family holidays (with roof box) and shopping runs. It didn't often feel much like an Audi to me! Obviously you don't appreciate all of the dynamic attributes sitting in traffic, and when stationary it does feel less special than much of the competition (even, eg, my first-gen R8 V8), but the weight of the controls, the stance, and the haunches in the wing mirrors should remind you that you're not in an A3.

I LOVED it.

[IMI A]

I know what Toby means I don't find a 991 turbo s much different to drive to an uber fast Golf with DSG. To be honest all these latest gen fast sports cars with turbo engines / dual clutch gearbox (even a Golf GTI / R) have amazing party trick being able to go up through gears completely seamlessly using every last ounce of boost making them ridiculously quick cross country. I don't think Toby's RS Tuning GT2 or a 9e 997 turbo with 750bhp-800bhp could keep up being manuals unless a racer peddling.

Doubt the F car driver cares if he can't keep up with a 991 listening to that glorious V12.

[TB993tt]

The Audi comment is totally subjective and depends what you enjoy in your cars, I grew up with quite raw cars and like a lot of feedback and feeling in terms of handling and drivetrain.
I remember sitting in a turbo at the airfield and I didn't realise it was idling it was silent and vibration free in contrast to my GT2 which was burbling and vibrating this is just at idle the difference got magnified as the revs and speed went up.
I know there are lots of people maybe not in the Porsche value forum who like an even wilder ride which would not be my cup of tea.
There is no doubt (for me ) with the turbo Porsche is aiming at the types of customer who may enjoy an RS Audi.
I went from the 991.2 turbo to Mclaren and for me they hit the sweet spot erring on the tamer end but I'm getting older and softer

[TB993tt]

IMI A said:

I know what Toby means I don't find a 991 turbo s much different to drive to an uber fast Golf with DSG. To be honest all these latest gen fast sports cars with turbo engines / dual clutch gearbox (even a Golf GTI / R) have amazing party trick being able to go up through gears completely seamlessly using every last ounce of boost making them ridiculously quick cross country. I don't think Toby's RS Tuning GT2 or a 9e 997 turbo with 750bhp-800bhp could keep up being manuals unless a racer peddling.

Doubt the F car driver cares if he can't keep up with a 991 listening to that glorious V12.

Im, I think the DSG v manual thing is another issue, I'm still a manual guy the DSG boxes give some pleasure in their own way but interaction with clutch and box is still a big enjoyment for me particularly when (trying) controlling lots of torque. A manual will never really go sub 3s to 60mph but so what its lots of fun trying to optmise your shift

[IMI A]

TB993tt said:

IMI A said:

I know what Toby means I don't find a 991 turbo s much different to drive to an uber fast Golf with DSG. To be honest all these latest gen fast sports cars with turbo engines / dual clutch gearbox (even a Golf GTI / R) have amazing party trick being able to go up through gears completely seamlessly using every last ounce of boost making them ridiculously quick cross country. I don't think Toby's RS Tuning GT2 or a 9e 997 turbo with 750bhp-800bhp could keep up being manuals unless a racer peddling.

Doubt the F car driver cares if he can't keep up with a 991 listening to that glorious V12.

Im, I think the DSG v manual thing is another issue, I'm still a manual guy the DSG boxes give some pleasure in their own way but interaction with clutch and box is still a big enjoyment for me particularly when (trying) controlling lots of torque. A manual will never really go sub 3s to 60mph but so what its lots of fun trying to optmise your shift

Hi Toby, Not saying DSG/PDK not fun etc of course they can be. I actually find swapping cogs easier on a normal manual than a flappy paddle so its a real novelty for me using a flappy paddle box but I think the danger with me is I'd just leave it in auto. Really just saying the way the DSG/PDK allows this next gen of cars to hold boost while going through the gears makes them fast as ---- and old war horses like your GT2 would struggle to live them although I bet you'd keep your GT2 over the 720s if you had to keep one car