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I've got an invitation to PEC for a Macan Turbo, but having just bought a GT3 Touring I emailed them to ask if I could swap for the GT course and pay the difference. They came back with the following:
What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
PEC said:
I can confirm that in order to drive a GT model you would need to upgrade to our GT course. This includes the following:
30 minutes in a core 911 model
40 minutes in a 997 GT model
40 minutes in a 997 RS model
40 minutes in a 991 GT or RS model
Exact variants cannot be guaranteed, however we can request the 991.2 GT3 for your booking.
The upgrade cost for this course is £566.40.
I'm not a very experienced driver of performance cars, and want to start at the bottom. So, I was considering starting with the Core Skills course with CAT Driver Training in my own car at £495.00. And then moving on to do the Advanced Driving Course at £900.30 minutes in a core 911 model
40 minutes in a 997 GT model
40 minutes in a 997 RS model
40 minutes in a 991 GT or RS model
Exact variants cannot be guaranteed, however we can request the 991.2 GT3 for your booking.
The upgrade cost for this course is £566.40.
What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
CrayonPark said:
I've got an invitation to PEC for a Macan Turbo, but having just bought a GT3 Touring I emailed them to ask if I could swap for the GT course and pay the difference. They came back with the following:
What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
PEC is nice and you'll feel important and nice lunch! PEC said:
I can confirm that in order to drive a GT model you would need to upgrade to our GT course. This includes the following:
30 minutes in a core 911 model
40 minutes in a 997 GT model
40 minutes in a 997 RS model
40 minutes in a 991 GT or RS model
Exact variants cannot be guaranteed, however we can request the 991.2 GT3 for your booking.
The upgrade cost for this course is £566.40.
I'm not a very experienced driver of performance cars, and want to start at the bottom. So, I was considering starting with the Core Skills course with CAT Driver Training in my own car at £495.00. And then moving on to do the Advanced Driving Course at £900.30 minutes in a core 911 model
40 minutes in a 997 GT model
40 minutes in a 997 RS model
40 minutes in a 991 GT or RS model
Exact variants cannot be guaranteed, however we can request the 991.2 GT3 for your booking.
The upgrade cost for this course is £566.40.
What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
CAT Core Skills is more bang for buck, more seat time and you'll learn more about yourself and the car, of course you'll be using your own car unless you want to hire something at extra cost - but your own car is what you want to learn anyway.
If you just want to drive the latest and greatest GT car or drive your hero - then PEC can be a nice way to do that in this particular circumstance.
Do the free PEC day with the Macan, as i think you get there off road experience also - and then do a CAT day with the GT3. That probably the best way - else you're giving up a free day at the PEC and you'll likely be disappointed.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 22 January 12:46
Don't do it until the weather warms up. I did my GT3 day and it was 2 degrees and wet - complete waste of time. All I learned was that you should not be driving a GT3 on Cup 2 Tyres in the cold and wet! The instructor also said he'd been telling the PEC for a number of months that it was dangerous.
2010spy said:
Don't do it until the weather warms up. I did my GT3 day and it was 2 degrees and wet - complete waste of time. All I learned was that you should not be driving a GT3 on Cup 2 Tyres in the cold and wet! The instructor also said he'd been telling the PEC for a number of months that it was dangerous.
Good point. I have checked myself. 
FWIF, I did GT course - great to sample the GT cars, but it is more about the cars than your driving.
I also did the excellent 320 Track Day last year, organised for 20 years of the GT3 which I think was sort of like doing core skills in your own car and far, far more enjoyable than I thought it would be.
I did this last year in the summer. I didnt pay for it and to be honest if I had I would have been a little dissappointed. Cars I drove were:
991 PDK Carrera
991 GT3
997.2 GT3 RS
997 GT2
Frankly the PEC track isnt long enough or wide enough to get any of the cars out of second gear which is frustrating. To be honest I would have probably enjoyed it more and learned more if the track didnt have so much grip so going when its wet/cold might not be a bad idea as you will get an idea of what it feels like when they let go on the road. The low friction parts are good especially the kickplate.
991 PDK Carrera
991 GT3
997.2 GT3 RS
997 GT2
Frankly the PEC track isnt long enough or wide enough to get any of the cars out of second gear which is frustrating. To be honest I would have probably enjoyed it more and learned more if the track didnt have so much grip so going when its wet/cold might not be a bad idea as you will get an idea of what it feels like when they let go on the road. The low friction parts are good especially the kickplate.
CrayonPark said:
I'm not a very experienced driver of performance cars, and want to start at the bottom. So, I was considering starting with the Core Skills course with CAT Driver Training in my own car at £495.00. And then moving on to do the Advanced Driving Course at £900.
What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
as TDT says, the PEC one is just for a bit of a swan around in some of the cars and a nice meal (which is nice enough having paid for a new Porsche to be fair...). What is the PEC course like? Should I do the CAT Core Skills course first?
the CAT course offers far more if you're after some actual driving instruction imo.
TDT said:
PEC is nice and you'll feel important and nice lunch!
CAT Core Skills is more bang for buck, more seat time and you'll learn more about yourself and the car, of course you'll be using your own car unless you want to hire something at extra cost - but your own car is what you want to learn anyway.
If you just want to drive the latest and greatest GT car or drive your hero - then PEC can be a nice way to do that in this particular circumstance.
Do the free PEC day with the Macan, as i think you get there off road experience also - and then do a CAT day with the GT3. That probably the best way - else you're giving up a free day at the PEC and you'll likely be disappointed.
Thanks for that. I think the CAT Core Skills is the way to go, as I really want to learn the car and spend some time with an instructor. And I'll stick with the Macan PEC day.CAT Core Skills is more bang for buck, more seat time and you'll learn more about yourself and the car, of course you'll be using your own car unless you want to hire something at extra cost - but your own car is what you want to learn anyway.
If you just want to drive the latest and greatest GT car or drive your hero - then PEC can be a nice way to do that in this particular circumstance.
Do the free PEC day with the Macan, as i think you get there off road experience also - and then do a CAT day with the GT3. That probably the best way - else you're giving up a free day at the PEC and you'll likely be disappointed.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 22 January 12:46
OP. There’s another better option at the PEC. One day Precision Course, you do a bit of stuff on the PEC including the low grip surfaces which you can learn an awful lot about your car control at pretty slow speeds. You then get the afternoon on the main circuit.
Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was f
k all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall.
I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was f
k all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall. I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
the CAT Core skills is great first step, but it is mostly focused on how to drive properly on the road regardless of the car. If you are approaching this with the idea of wanting to understand what your GT3 can do and how to build your confidence with that particular car, then you will want the CAT Performance driver. It is a lot more money, but far better than any PEC day you can do.
Cheib said:
OP. There’s another better option at the PEC. One day Precision Course, you do a bit of stuff on the PEC including the low grip surfaces which you can learn an awful lot about your car control at pretty slow speeds. You then get the afternoon on the main circuit.
Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was fk all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall.
I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
Thanks for that. Although the bit about the wall put me off a bit. Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was f
k all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall. I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
What’s the insurance situation with using your own car at the PEC?cypriot said:
the CAT Core skills is great first step, but it is mostly focused on how to drive properly on the road regardless of the car. If you are approaching this with the idea of wanting to understand what your GT3 can do and how to build your confidence with that particular car, then you will want the CAT Performance driver. It is a lot more money, but far better than any PEC day you can do.
Thanks. I think I’d do the core skills first. From reading the description the performance driver course might be a bit advanced for the level I’m currently at. But the aim is to do that course at some point.CrayonPark said:
Cheib said:
OP. There’s another better option at the PEC. One day Precision Course, you do a bit of stuff on the PEC including the low grip surfaces which you can learn an awful lot about your car control at pretty slow speeds. You then get the afternoon on the main circuit.
Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was fk all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall.
I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
Thanks for that. Although the bit about the wall put me off a bit. Cost to do the day if you trade in your Macan day in your own GT3 is about £400.
I did this last November when there was f
k all grip on the main circuit. Two days after I did it someone put there GT3 in a wall. I have just booked in for the one on 30th April...there is one every month.
What’s the insurance situation with using your own car at the PEC?I’ve done the PEC stuff, one of the CAT courses and also done one on ones with a PEC instructor at Bruntingthorpe. Cat stuff is excellent but If you want to learn to drive a car at high speed on track do Bruntingthorpe.....it’ll be empty or there will be one or two other cars there. Loads of space and plenty of high speed corners to work on. If you want the name of the instructor PM me. He can also take you on Milbrook for a day as well as full days on tracks. work He’s got three or four regular clients with GT3’s and can take you through from learning the car to doing a few days at Spa.
moonigan said:
I did this last year in the summer. I didnt pay for it and to be honest if I had I would have been a little dissappointed. Cars I drove were:
991 PDK Carrera
991 GT3
997.2 GT3 RS
997 GT2
Frankly the PEC track isnt long enough or wide enough to get any of the cars out of second gear which is frustrating. To be honest I would have probably enjoyed it more and learned more if the track didnt have so much grip so going when its wet/cold might not be a bad idea as you will get an idea of what it feels like when they let go on the road. The low friction parts are good especially the kickplate.
I did the GT experience last summer. Got really unlucky with the weather - torrential rain which was fun in the GT2! 991 PDK Carrera
991 GT3
997.2 GT3 RS
997 GT2
Frankly the PEC track isnt long enough or wide enough to get any of the cars out of second gear which is frustrating. To be honest I would have probably enjoyed it more and learned more if the track didnt have so much grip so going when its wet/cold might not be a bad idea as you will get an idea of what it feels like when they let go on the road. The low friction parts are good especially the kickplate.
Would recommend doing one of the other courses first, either at the PEC or elsewhere. The skid pan & ice hill were really good fun but would be more enjoyable if had prior experience as the GT cars are pretty unforgiving as to be expected.
EDIT: Just seen PEC now have a GT RS experience for £595 so might be another option without having to pay a lot more
Edited by SV_WDC on Thursday 23 January 11:47
https://www.carlimits.com/script/viewEvents.php?ty...
Only ever heard good from the Car Limits training days. In a safe place and all about car control.
Only ever heard good from the Car Limits training days. In a safe place and all about car control.
JayK12 said:
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Only ever heard good from the Car Limits training days. In a safe place and all about car control.
Have done this day. It's a great and safe way to test the car's limits and see how far you push it. It's quite heavy on tyres but a fun day out.Only ever heard good from the Car Limits training days. In a safe place and all about car control.
I’ve done CAT & Car Limits.
My only criticism on CAT is because it took place at Millbrook, there was a lot of waiting around, and not enough seat time. (Mine was a 3 to 1 course)
Car Limits, you get quite a lot of seat time, and the current instructor there also works at PEC so is very experienced in 911s (and Lotus).
My only criticism on CAT is because it took place at Millbrook, there was a lot of waiting around, and not enough seat time. (Mine was a 3 to 1 course)
Car Limits, you get quite a lot of seat time, and the current instructor there also works at PEC so is very experienced in 911s (and Lotus).
I did the PEC GT course last year as upgrade to a Macan purchase .
It was worth it to me as upgrade but I wouldn’t buy at full price. I do regular track days and training also .
BUT, still great day.
Dissspointing - 997 GT2 RS. It was too cold (Feb) and had major moment on the straight section at 90 mph. Turbo spool to late abs quick !
997.2 GT3 - I had one and didn’t really enjoy it. It was better but still not me . So hard to find limit.
991.1 .GT3 - it was fun
991.1 GT3 RS - It was really fun !! Such a brilliant track car.
991 Carrera S Manual - Nearly car of the day just behind RS. We took it out to compare my heel & toe with a Porsche blip system , I’m just a tad late . BUT, had so much fun. Because the grip limits are so much less and accessible than GT cars, I spent 10-12 Laps driving around limits of traction and sometimes lack of it !!
It was worth it to me as upgrade but I wouldn’t buy at full price. I do regular track days and training also .
BUT, still great day.
Dissspointing - 997 GT2 RS. It was too cold (Feb) and had major moment on the straight section at 90 mph. Turbo spool to late abs quick !
997.2 GT3 - I had one and didn’t really enjoy it. It was better but still not me . So hard to find limit.
991.1 .GT3 - it was fun
991.1 GT3 RS - It was really fun !! Such a brilliant track car.
991 Carrera S Manual - Nearly car of the day just behind RS. We took it out to compare my heel & toe with a Porsche blip system , I’m just a tad late . BUT, had so much fun. Because the grip limits are so much less and accessible than GT cars, I spent 10-12 Laps driving around limits of traction and sometimes lack of it !!
Thanks all. I like the look of the car limits airfield days. I really want to learn more about understeer/oversteer, how to feel it and correct it etc. and getting a feel for how the car behaves at the limits.
Lots to consider, but I’m hoping I’ll get a day in at all three before the year is out.
Lots to consider, but I’m hoping I’ll get a day in at all three before the year is out.
2010spy said:
Don't do it until the weather warms up. I did my GT3 day and it was 2 degrees and wet - complete waste of time. All I learned was that you should not be driving a GT3 on Cup 2 Tyres in the cold and wet! The instructor also said he'd been telling the PEC for a number of months that it was dangerous.
I did the GT RS course last month and was very surprised at how well the Cup 2 tyres did in the cold, considering people always say they're death traps etc. It wasn't wet, but the track was damp for most of the morning. The instructor did emphasise warming the tyres up properly and not booting it from cold, which will result in a crash.The 991.2 GT3 RS is just sublime, it's so easy to control even on the low friction surfaces with the ESC turned off. The 991 GT2 RS was a bit more unpredictable and not as satisfying to drive, although the course is not really suited to it at all.
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