Sine Qua Non

[Phooey]

390hp. 1225 kilo. You can all keep your modern fluff. How cool is this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEzJ-jjFb0

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

390hp. 1225 kilo. You can all keep your modern fluff. How cool is this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEzJ-jjFb0

but it is a modern car !! what am I missing ? bar the daft price of these.

[MrVert]

That. Is. Perfection.

[Phooey]

Porsche911R said:

what am I missing ?

Class.

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

Class.

I just don't like the brand that's all not at the prices they want or the daft rear arches.

[Dammit]

Phooey said:

Class.

[Twinfan]

[Porsche911R]

lol

brands says a lot about the owners and the people who like them imo.

look at the tat watch the guys is wearing, just about money, no one likes the brand !!

It's the opposite of class. It's gash :-)

I did lol at the stupid petrol filling up hassle he had !!!

many people will agree, it's going to split the debate this brand and image.

We already have the guys on here who go for pose value posting already !

[Mitch911]

FFS, i'm with Demon again, this is getting worrying

[Juno]

Half a million quid you are having a Giraffe

1200 KGS 450HP and Proper GASH

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

We already have the guys on here who go for pose value posting already !

I suspect you're having another not-so-sly dig at me again. Yawn.

Anyhoo, I was just adding to the humorous retorts. As for the Singer, I'm not in the least bit interested in a car like that.

I'll take his Richard Mille though...

[TDT]

Pricing is crazy.
Much nicer and importantly truly authentic cars with real pedigree or provenance available for far less.

[Yellow491]

Phooey said:

390hp. 1225 kilo. You can all keep your modern fluff. How cool is this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEzJ-jjFb0

Far to heavy,keep saying would be good to see the dyno figures.

[isaldiri]

TDT said:

Pricing is crazy.
Much nicer and importantly truly authentic cars with real pedigree or provenance available for far less.

Not entirely sure I agree with that tbh. Define 'nicer'. Authenticity/provenance/pedigree doesn't really make a car any better either. Sure it's great for personal/historic value and all and there is obviously that in terms of the overall ownership experience but it doesn't really change the fundamentals of what using a car (ie driving it) gives you. The pricing is steep to put it mildly but again given the hours involved in making one of them, I actually don't think it's unreasonable. Sure there probably is the capability to make a car as good as a Singer here for less but do you want to have to manage every aspect of such a project as well?

Personally I don't really care for Singer (to own that is, would love to drive one though!!) as I couldn't personally justify spending that amount on the cosmetic/aesthetic side of things but I do appreciate the amount of time/effort and all that has been put into them and don't think the jibes at singer with regards to pricing are entirely fair. And literally no one who has ever driven a singer ever seems to have anything but praise for the way they drive so it's not as if the driving side of things has not been ignored either is it....?

Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 29th January 18:57

[ras62]

Yellow491 said:

Phooey said:

390hp. 1225 kilo. You can all keep your modern fluff. How cool is this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEzJ-jjFb0

Far to heavy,keep saying would be good to see the dyno figures.

Actually near 1250kg and agree it would be good to see their various engine dyno charts. Too much tyre and far too loud for a road car...Im getting old
Rough dyno results.... https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a25850/ex...

Edited by ras62 on Wednesday 29th January 19:11

[browngt3]

I like the Singer 911s but not at the money. If I had to choose, there's just too much other nice stuff at that level. If I drove one, however, I might change my mind.

Wasn't too impressed with the Petrolicious video. The car doesn't come across that well to me and doesn't even sound that nice - for a Singer.

For me this is a much better representation from Dickie Meaden. This one's only 1100kg too

https://youtu.be/QefjoIApDmg

[TDT]

isaldiri said:

TDT said:

Pricing is crazy.
Much nicer and importantly truly authentic cars with real pedigree or provenance available for far less.

Not entirely sure I agree with that tbh. Define 'nicer'. Authenticity/provenance/pedigree doesn't really make a car any better either. Sure it's great for personal/historic value and all and there is obviously that in terms of the overall ownership experience but it doesn't really change the fundamentals of what using a car (ie driving it) gives you. The pricing is steep to put it mildly but again given the hours involved in making one of them, I actually don't think it's unreasonable. Sure there probably is the capability to make a car as good as a Singer here for less but do you want to have to manage every aspect of such a project as well?

Personally I don't really care for Singer (to own that is, would love to drive one though!!) as I couldn't personally justify spending that amount on the cosmetic/aesthetic side of things but I do appreciate the amount of time/effort and all that has been put into them and don't think the jibes at singer with regards to pricing are entirely fair. And literally no one who has ever driven a singer ever seems to have anything but praise for the way they drive so it's not as if the driving side of things has not been ignored either is it....?

Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 29th January 18:57

It’s like anything positioned as luxury product at the top end of the market.
There is value in them and not doubt of the craftsmanship and attention to detail. So the man hours and materials have to be paid for… but it is all for the aesthetics. The engineering of the driving aspect are primarily Porsche parts or top of the market aftermarket specialists that anyone could go to.
I’d love to drive one or have one in my garage. I’m just saying that I don’t think they are 300-500k worth of car.… but then your are paying branding and membership of the SVD club, and that the price of entry. Not sure that is the actual value.

I think the tuthill type cars more appealing by comparison than these, as they are about the pure drive, and not really restomodding or backdating imo. I also like the workshop 5001 machines.
BUT again the pricing of both of these can also be crazy because you are paying for a build - not a product. Also not saying that either of these for example have better provenance or are more authentic than an SVD car but just comparing them.

The cost of development/build is not equal to the price or value of the car/product. Setting these things as equal only works when you attach branding and scarcity/exclusivity to them and then it’s a self-fueling machine between branding, price and perceived exclusivity.

Edited by TDT on Wednesday 29th January 20:03

[RSVP911]

I’d have one if money was no object - but more for the design than the engineering - however I though this one didn’t look anywhere near as good as most of them - all a bit flat black.

[SRT Hellcat]

Phooey said:

390hp. 1225 kilo. You can all keep your modern fluff. How cool is this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEzJ-jjFb0

very very cool. His particular choice of design would not be my own.
I would love the experience of driving one.
Would I own one if I had the spare funds.
Very probably

[Budflicker]

Nice old 911 but not 500k worth for my mind. Not that I have that to spend on a car.

I sometimes feel that Petrolicious should rebrand to Pretentious though.

Talk about trying too hard to be a bit cool and edgy, and the panning shot on the gash watch and dumping the coffee cup down......