problem with Michelin PS4??
problem with Michelin PS4??
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Bolognese2

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66 posts

70 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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I had a set of P0 which i replaced with Michelin PS4?

done less than 1,000 miles, second time i get a flat rear tyre.

anyone has experienced similar problem or is just really bad luck.
driving in country side, no track on the second one. 1st one went to Millbrook for 2 days training.


Twinfan

10,125 posts

127 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Any nails or screws in it?

My wife's car runs PS4Ss and she's had 3 nails/screws in tyres from memory. Only had one or two nails in over 20 years of driving prior to these, and just yesterday I got a whopping great self-tapper in one of the rears of my GT4. I don't know if it's a Michelin thing but it's bloody annoying!

ArchiesDad

169 posts

69 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Sticky Rubber, And they're really wide,,,,, Same as P 0"s width wise but more sticky maybe ? and possibly trad pattern, I picked up a nail in a front tyre that had to be replaced and then one in the rear two days later ?

Seems to be a common occurremce these days, nails in the road. !

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

288 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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PS4 or PS4S

either way just bad luck

Koln-RS

4,090 posts

235 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Sadly it's probably more to do with the state of the roads.

When I was a kid, road sweeping/cleaning vehicles were much more common place and kept the edges much clearer of debris.

Now, a puncture once every c.20k mls is pretty normal, but at least most are repairable.

For cyclists, the state of the road edges, debris and puncture risks is much greater - especially if selfish car drivers don't give enough space.

ArchiesDad

169 posts

69 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Porsche911R said:
PS4 or PS4S

either way just bad luck
4S, And yeah.... Bad Luck... I shouldnt have really but at less a few K miles i had the back plugged, the tyre guy was adamant that it would be fine,

As for Cycling, i do a LOT of miles on a Road Bike and Very Rarely flat, prob due to tiny tyres, and the tyres have come on in leaps and bounds with the advent of Tubeless,


timberman

1,393 posts

238 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Bolognese2 said:
I had a set of P0 which i replaced with Michelin PS4?

done less than 1,000 miles, second time i get a flat rear tyre.

anyone has experienced similar problem or is just really bad luck.
driving in country side, no track on the second one. 1st one went to Millbrook for 2 days training.
had exactly the same

replaced P zero's with Ps4s and in under 2 weeks I had 2 screws embedded in 1 rear then a week later got another screw stuck in the other rear.

I started to wonder if someone was doing it deliberately, but that was a year ago and I haven't had anything happen since.

I think it's a combination of bad luck and for some reason very wide tyres being more prone to picking up screws and nails when the tread is still bedding in.

maybe the Ps4s tread pattern is especially susceptible to being affected

Bolognese2

Original Poster:

66 posts

70 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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at £350 a tyre fully fitted is a bit annoying
hopefully it will be the end of it


tomtom

4,247 posts

253 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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I'd never had a puncture, except the odd slow one caused by a screw, on any of my cars.

Then I got three rapidly deflating punctures in the rears on my M5 within a handful of miles on PS4S. Incredibly annoying (and expensive(!) ) but I put it down to bad luck. I think they're relatively soft - at least they feel like it from a ride quality point of view - but I don't think we can blame that for the punctures.

BillyB

1,434 posts

281 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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I've had recurring punctures a couple of times. On both occasions the common denominator was that there was a building project on my road. Bloody builders being careless with screws & nails.

Polome

594 posts

148 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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I usually get one or two punctures a year...living in an area of old houses there's always white van builder about..I've seen screws and nails drop on the road as they open back doors...worse if they are a bit untidy...I'm continually picking up there discarded waste....B & Q carpark pretty bad for same problem...worth having a quick look around before leaving...good luck.

BarrySt

40 posts

96 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Strange you mention punctures in PS4S, recently had one in newish front that required new tyre. Seemed to be due to stones on new resurfaced road - went over what seemed like a truck load when just off the normal cornering line at high speed as the warning signs were at the corner not before it

Fl0pp3r

869 posts

226 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Polome said:
....living in an area of old houses there's always white van builder about..I've seen screws and nails drop on the road as they open back doors...
I think you’ve hit the proverbial NAIL on the head here. As part of my job I do a lot of walking around the streets of the London borough in which I live, and every day I pick up at least one or two screws lying by the kerb or in the road. Can only be careless tradesmen in my view, and if you have one working in the road where you stop/park regularly - watch out! So much building/renovation going on these days, the chances of picking one up are high. Nothing to do with the tyre....

Cheib

25,076 posts

198 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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BillyB said:
I've had recurring punctures a couple of times. On both occasions the common denominator was that there was a building project on my road. Bloody builders being careless with screws & nails.
This. Had the same. Mate of mine was complaining he’d had two or three punctures recently....asked him if any building work nearby and guess what...there was !

rianos

43 posts

116 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Replaced all the Pirellis for PS4S in October and had a totally flat rear within 1 week. Noticed recently had a tear in the other rear too

ATM

20,993 posts

242 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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I know some people believe you have to replace a tyre after a puncture. I think sod that. Better to keep the same matching tyres if you ask me and just plug it. There is absolutely no way that plug is coming unplugged afterwards. So the only other reason for wanting to replace is thinking that the tyre's carcass will somehow be less than supportive and come apart maybe - pure twoddle if you ask me.

Maxym

2,795 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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ATM said:
I know some people believe you have to replace a tyre after a puncture. I think sod that. Better to keep the same matching tyres if you ask me and just plug it. There is absolutely no way that plug is coming unplugged afterwards. So the only other reason for wanting to replace is thinking that the tyre's carcass will somehow be less than supportive and come apart maybe - pure twoddle if you ask me.
But if you have to use the Porsche tyre plug gunk it's anew tyre, right?

ATM

20,993 posts

242 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Maxym said:
ATM said:
I know some people believe you have to replace a tyre after a puncture. I think sod that. Better to keep the same matching tyres if you ask me and just plug it. There is absolutely no way that plug is coming unplugged afterwards. So the only other reason for wanting to replace is thinking that the tyre's carcass will somehow be less than supportive and come apart maybe - pure twoddle if you ask me.
But if you have to use the Porsche tyre plug gunk it's anew tyre, right?
I think using any tyre gunk means a new tyre. I'd just call your chosen breakdown company. They will rescue for punctures no questions asked. I dont carry a spare or gunk or anything else just in case they quibble.

Bolognese2

Original Poster:

66 posts

70 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Porsche called and me guess.... a screw in the middle of the tyre.
I will replace it with a new one and repair the tyre to use it as a spare one. thread left is approx. 5.5.
and yes, this is a classic builder gift ….

ArchiesDad

169 posts

69 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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I do a fair ammount of Cycling, I'm amazed at the ammount of Lager cans strewn in the sides of the road, often fresh ones have the dregs coming out, Ive even seen Vodka bottles thrown from Car windows.....

I sometimes think builders toss screws out of the windows for sts n Giggles !

I'll be putting P0's on again when these are done..