Considering a 991.1 gt3
Discussion
n12maser said:
the engine is on a solid 10 year warranty from Porsche due to the problems, then when that runs out you can still have it covered on the normal Porsche warranty for a good few years after.
If I could afford one it would not put me off at all!
A warranty don't get you home from Spa or repay the £3k trip.If I could afford one it would not put me off at all!
v8ksn said:
I wouldn't buy one as I am not brave enough to take on the risk. Some cars have had several engines.
Go to Rennlist for information regarding what the engine issues were, replacement engine versions etc etc...... then buy a 991.2 GT3
How can they need multiple new engines as the ones for sale do not seem to be getting used , judging bu the silly low mileage on theseGo to Rennlist for information regarding what the engine issues were, replacement engine versions etc etc...... then buy a 991.2 GT3
EvoSid said:
How can they need multiple new engines as the ones for sale do not seem to be getting used , judging bu the silly low mileage on these
It was a while back but I think the story was from a Nurburgring outfit that went through several engines and several engine revisions. Granted these cars were probably used a little more vigorously than the average car but then again, whats the point of a GT3 if you are not regularly banging off the limiter. OK, speaking from first hand knowledge as someone that's owned a 2015 991.1 GT3 for about 16 months now...
The main question is - what do you want it for?
If you want one to thrash around a track at 9k RPM, taking it right to the edge and driving it as hard as you can (assuming you have the skills to keep it on the track), and you don't want to take the chance that Porsche will then have to give you a new engine... then save up another 30k and get a 991.2
If like most of us you're driving it on both the road and the track, and on the track you drive it hard but without taking it all the way to the edge every time, then you will be able to find a good 991.1 that will give you a lot of fun. And believe me, you can have a lot of fun on a track without bouncing it off the limiter every time.
But, they are a LOT of fun! I've really enjoyed mine, by a country mile the best 911 I've ever owned with a lot of "theatre" every time I get in for a drive, an amazing engine note and incredible performance for the price. And it's very, very addictive.
Porsche will warranty the car up until it's 15 years old, so until about 2029 for most cars. For the next 4 or 5 years there is also the added advantage of a full new engine if it does develop a fault. And don't listen to the muppets on here suggesting it's a short reconditioned unit, it's a new one (confirmed with Porsche GB last year).
There's a lot of information here about the engine revisions. In summary, some of the first "E" series engines suffered from mechanical failures due to a bad batch of parts that failed and could puncture the engine case and leak hot oil onto the block, which caused engine fires. They were identified, recalled and remedied in the early years. The "F" series engines didn't have this problem, but some still suffered from a problem with oil distribution in the block that did not properly lubricate some of the finger followers in the head at high revs, leading to excessive wear of the coating, which when detected by the engine led to a fault code and the need for a replacement. But again, it didn't affect all of the cars, and those that did seemed to be those that were tracked harder than others. The "G" series engines made changes to the oil system but also pulled the 9k rev limit down to 8.8k to stop this from happening. They seem to have been OK in the main.
Oh, and BTW, unlike what some on hear will tell you, all cars will break. Porsches have had a long list of "problems" from RMS to IMS, bore scoring to finger follower failure... maybe I've been lucky, but I've had over a dozen p-cars now and not suffered from any of these (to my knowledge). But I have had problems with Fords, BMWs and others that were supposed to be bulletproof.
So, personally, if you want one I'd look for a car that has been well maintained, not tracked hard and often, and is in good condition (check for signs of tracking on tyres, brakes, road rash on the front, etc.) Check out the provenance of the car too. And don't listen to the scare stories, just do your research, buy a car and enjoy it!
The main question is - what do you want it for?
If you want one to thrash around a track at 9k RPM, taking it right to the edge and driving it as hard as you can (assuming you have the skills to keep it on the track), and you don't want to take the chance that Porsche will then have to give you a new engine... then save up another 30k and get a 991.2
If like most of us you're driving it on both the road and the track, and on the track you drive it hard but without taking it all the way to the edge every time, then you will be able to find a good 991.1 that will give you a lot of fun. And believe me, you can have a lot of fun on a track without bouncing it off the limiter every time.
But, they are a LOT of fun! I've really enjoyed mine, by a country mile the best 911 I've ever owned with a lot of "theatre" every time I get in for a drive, an amazing engine note and incredible performance for the price. And it's very, very addictive.
Porsche will warranty the car up until it's 15 years old, so until about 2029 for most cars. For the next 4 or 5 years there is also the added advantage of a full new engine if it does develop a fault. And don't listen to the muppets on here suggesting it's a short reconditioned unit, it's a new one (confirmed with Porsche GB last year).
There's a lot of information here about the engine revisions. In summary, some of the first "E" series engines suffered from mechanical failures due to a bad batch of parts that failed and could puncture the engine case and leak hot oil onto the block, which caused engine fires. They were identified, recalled and remedied in the early years. The "F" series engines didn't have this problem, but some still suffered from a problem with oil distribution in the block that did not properly lubricate some of the finger followers in the head at high revs, leading to excessive wear of the coating, which when detected by the engine led to a fault code and the need for a replacement. But again, it didn't affect all of the cars, and those that did seemed to be those that were tracked harder than others. The "G" series engines made changes to the oil system but also pulled the 9k rev limit down to 8.8k to stop this from happening. They seem to have been OK in the main.
Oh, and BTW, unlike what some on hear will tell you, all cars will break. Porsches have had a long list of "problems" from RMS to IMS, bore scoring to finger follower failure... maybe I've been lucky, but I've had over a dozen p-cars now and not suffered from any of these (to my knowledge). But I have had problems with Fords, BMWs and others that were supposed to be bulletproof.
So, personally, if you want one I'd look for a car that has been well maintained, not tracked hard and often, and is in good condition (check for signs of tracking on tyres, brakes, road rash on the front, etc.) Check out the provenance of the car too. And don't listen to the scare stories, just do your research, buy a car and enjoy it!
gd said:
OK, speaking from first hand knowledge as someone that's owned a 2015 991.1 GT3 for about 16 months now...
The main question is - what do you want it for?
If you want one to thrash around a track at 9k RPM, taking it right to the edge and driving it as hard as you can (assuming you have the skills to keep it on the track), and you don't want to take the chance that Porsche will then have to give you a new engine... then save up another 30k and get a 991.2
If like most of us you're driving it on both the road and the track, and on the track you drive it hard but without taking it all the way to the edge every time, then you will be able to find a good 991.1 that will give you a lot of fun. And believe me, you can have a lot of fun on a track without bouncing it off the limiter every time.
But, they are a LOT of fun! I've really enjoyed mine, by a country mile the best 911 I've ever owned with a lot of "theatre" every time I get in for a drive, an amazing engine note and incredible performance for the price. And it's very, very addictive.
Porsche will warranty the car up until it's 15 years old, so until about 2029 for most cars. For the next 4 or 5 years there is also the added advantage of a full new engine if it does develop a fault. And don't listen to the muppets on here suggesting it's a short reconditioned unit, it's a new one (confirmed with Porsche GB last year).
There's a lot of information here about the engine revisions. In summary, some of the first "E" series engines suffered from mechanical failures due to a bad batch of parts that failed and could puncture the engine case and leak hot oil onto the block, which caused engine fires. They were identified, recalled and remedied in the early years. The "F" series engines didn't have this problem, but some still suffered from a problem with oil distribution in the block that did not properly lubricate some of the finger followers in the head at high revs, leading to excessive wear of the coating, which when detected by the engine led to a fault code and the need for a replacement. But again, it didn't affect all of the cars, and those that did seemed to be those that were tracked harder than others. The "G" series engines made changes to the oil system but also pulled the 9k rev limit down to 8.8k to stop this from happening. They seem to have been OK in the main.
Oh, and BTW, unlike what some on hear will tell you, all cars will break. Porsches have had a long list of "problems" from RMS to IMS, bore scoring to finger follower failure... maybe I've been lucky, but I've had over a dozen p-cars now and not suffered from any of these (to my knowledge). But I have had problems with Fords, BMWs and others that were supposed to be bulletproof.
So, personally, if you want one I'd look for a car that has been well maintained, not tracked hard and often, and is in good condition (check for signs of tracking on tyres, brakes, road rash on the front, etc.) Check out the provenance of the car too. And don't listen to the scare stories, just do your research, buy a car and enjoy it!
Gd that's great advice thanksThe main question is - what do you want it for?
If you want one to thrash around a track at 9k RPM, taking it right to the edge and driving it as hard as you can (assuming you have the skills to keep it on the track), and you don't want to take the chance that Porsche will then have to give you a new engine... then save up another 30k and get a 991.2
If like most of us you're driving it on both the road and the track, and on the track you drive it hard but without taking it all the way to the edge every time, then you will be able to find a good 991.1 that will give you a lot of fun. And believe me, you can have a lot of fun on a track without bouncing it off the limiter every time.
But, they are a LOT of fun! I've really enjoyed mine, by a country mile the best 911 I've ever owned with a lot of "theatre" every time I get in for a drive, an amazing engine note and incredible performance for the price. And it's very, very addictive.
Porsche will warranty the car up until it's 15 years old, so until about 2029 for most cars. For the next 4 or 5 years there is also the added advantage of a full new engine if it does develop a fault. And don't listen to the muppets on here suggesting it's a short reconditioned unit, it's a new one (confirmed with Porsche GB last year).
There's a lot of information here about the engine revisions. In summary, some of the first "E" series engines suffered from mechanical failures due to a bad batch of parts that failed and could puncture the engine case and leak hot oil onto the block, which caused engine fires. They were identified, recalled and remedied in the early years. The "F" series engines didn't have this problem, but some still suffered from a problem with oil distribution in the block that did not properly lubricate some of the finger followers in the head at high revs, leading to excessive wear of the coating, which when detected by the engine led to a fault code and the need for a replacement. But again, it didn't affect all of the cars, and those that did seemed to be those that were tracked harder than others. The "G" series engines made changes to the oil system but also pulled the 9k rev limit down to 8.8k to stop this from happening. They seem to have been OK in the main.
Oh, and BTW, unlike what some on hear will tell you, all cars will break. Porsches have had a long list of "problems" from RMS to IMS, bore scoring to finger follower failure... maybe I've been lucky, but I've had over a dozen p-cars now and not suffered from any of these (to my knowledge). But I have had problems with Fords, BMWs and others that were supposed to be bulletproof.
So, personally, if you want one I'd look for a car that has been well maintained, not tracked hard and often, and is in good condition (check for signs of tracking on tyres, brakes, road rash on the front, etc.) Check out the provenance of the car too. And don't listen to the scare stories, just do your research, buy a car and enjoy it!
When my Spyder was in at my Indie I asked if they have had any GT3.1's in for the issue or have heard of any? None was the reply and also if not covered by a warranty it is repairable without needing a new engine. Straight forward engine to strip with no turbo's etc
I thought this was interesting as they appear to be a lot of car for the money currently.
I thought this was interesting as they appear to be a lot of car for the money currently.
The trouble with asking here is that we have lots of people keen to offer their advice based on a car they don't or haven't owned.
If there a problem, yes. Do Porsche take care of it, yes so far they have. Do all cars do it, no.
I've owned one for four years, its still on an E1 engine and it hasn't missed a beat.
Great car.
If there a problem, yes. Do Porsche take care of it, yes so far they have. Do all cars do it, no.
I've owned one for four years, its still on an E1 engine and it hasn't missed a beat.
Great car.
My pall who did the Caterham academy was told by Caterham themselves that 100 track / racing miles was equivalent to 1000 road miles in terms of engine wear and tear. I can believe it. People should keep this in mind if they plan on thrashing round tracks on any given Sunday, never mind the hitting the euro circuits and the ring. Stuff will wear, stuff will break.
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