Who has lived with a Turbo S? (991.2)
Discussion
May I ask the above please?
What are the real world experiences of a Turbo S? Ideally a 991.2 but generally speaking, any recent Turbo S?
Can they be used as a daily? Commuter? How hard on a long journey? For example we’ve just returned from the South of France (in the RR) and could it be done and ‘enjoyed’ in a Turbo S? (It was an armchair ride in the RR)
We have a C4 so know luggage is tight and ours is quick enough and fun enough 99% of the time but apart from being insanely quick, any comments, pointers, must dos and must nots?
Thx in advance for any feedback etc.
What are the real world experiences of a Turbo S? Ideally a 991.2 but generally speaking, any recent Turbo S?
Can they be used as a daily? Commuter? How hard on a long journey? For example we’ve just returned from the South of France (in the RR) and could it be done and ‘enjoyed’ in a Turbo S? (It was an armchair ride in the RR)
We have a C4 so know luggage is tight and ours is quick enough and fun enough 99% of the time but apart from being insanely quick, any comments, pointers, must dos and must nots?
Thx in advance for any feedback etc.
Have a 991.2 Turbo (non S) as my daily. I'm not a natural fan of auto boxes, but the PDK is one of the highlights. Plus everything happens so damn fast when it's on boost I wouldn't be able to throw enough gears at it quickly enough, even if I had the choice of a manual. I can only imagine a Turbo S is warp speed +10% !
Car is excellent for daily use. Ride quality is good, and in "D" mode the car is very calm and quiet as PDK shuffles its way up to 7th as quickly as it can. I was worried about the width of the car initially but that's not been an issue. Exhaust note is well judged and not too obnoxious. There are some unexpected benefits - e.g. rear wheel steer (RWS) makes for good agility and cleverly hides the mass and it can achieve 30+ mpg on a run which I still find absurd. You can drive it without drawing too much attention to yourself (dependent on exterior colour) although everyone in a Golf R will want to race you.
When you ramp up through "Sport" and "Sport +" the car does take on different attitude. The torque is sensational and the upshifts addictive. The car has been more fun on track than I imagined despite not really being its natural home with its road biased tyres and lardy kerbweight.
Despite being 4WD it feels rear biased much of the time (mainly because it is) and is quite neutral in terms of handling. In winter you get that sure-footedness from the 4WD although the rears are so wide they do struggle for grip in cold/greasy conditions initially until they warm up a little and it's not difficult to get the car properly sideways before ESC kicks in. They've noticeably improved the steering feel with the ePAS system compared with the 991 Gen 1. I find it pretty practical too - rear and front IsoFix is an bonus with having young kids.
Insurance is relatively expensive. Ditto tyres. Some people would want a louder exhaust - not needed IMHO. I would recommend buying a car from an OPC to get the full 2 year warranty - Turbos are complicated cars and expensive to fix. Otherwise - not many downsides. Happy shopping!
Car is excellent for daily use. Ride quality is good, and in "D" mode the car is very calm and quiet as PDK shuffles its way up to 7th as quickly as it can. I was worried about the width of the car initially but that's not been an issue. Exhaust note is well judged and not too obnoxious. There are some unexpected benefits - e.g. rear wheel steer (RWS) makes for good agility and cleverly hides the mass and it can achieve 30+ mpg on a run which I still find absurd. You can drive it without drawing too much attention to yourself (dependent on exterior colour) although everyone in a Golf R will want to race you.
When you ramp up through "Sport" and "Sport +" the car does take on different attitude. The torque is sensational and the upshifts addictive. The car has been more fun on track than I imagined despite not really being its natural home with its road biased tyres and lardy kerbweight.
Despite being 4WD it feels rear biased much of the time (mainly because it is) and is quite neutral in terms of handling. In winter you get that sure-footedness from the 4WD although the rears are so wide they do struggle for grip in cold/greasy conditions initially until they warm up a little and it's not difficult to get the car properly sideways before ESC kicks in. They've noticeably improved the steering feel with the ePAS system compared with the 991 Gen 1. I find it pretty practical too - rear and front IsoFix is an bonus with having young kids.
Insurance is relatively expensive. Ditto tyres. Some people would want a louder exhaust - not needed IMHO. I would recommend buying a car from an OPC to get the full 2 year warranty - Turbos are complicated cars and expensive to fix. Otherwise - not many downsides. Happy shopping!
Heathrow said:
Have a 991.2 Turbo (non S) as my daily. I'm not a natural fan of auto boxes, but the PDK is one of the highlights. Plus everything happens so damn fast when it's on boost I wouldn't be able to throw enough gears at it quickly enough, even if I had the choice of a manual. I can only imagine a Turbo S is warp speed +10% !
Car is excellent for daily use. Ride quality is good, and in "D" mode the car is very calm and quiet as PDK shuffles its way up to 7th as quickly as it can. I was worried about the width of the car initially but that's not been an issue. Exhaust note is well judged and not too obnoxious. There are some unexpected benefits - e.g. rear wheel steer (RWS) makes for good agility and cleverly hides the mass and it can achieve 30+ mpg on a run which I still find absurd. You can drive it without drawing too much attention to yourself (dependent on exterior colour) although everyone in a Golf R will want to race you.
When you ramp up through "Sport" and "Sport +" the car does take on different attitude. The torque is sensational and the upshifts addictive. The car has been more fun on track than I imagined despite not really being its natural home with its road biased tyres and lardy kerbweight.
Despite being 4WD it feels rear biased much of the time (mainly because it is) and is quite neutral in terms of handling. In winter you get that sure-footedness from the 4WD although the rears are so wide they do struggle for grip in cold/greasy conditions initially until they warm up a little and it's not difficult to get the car properly sideways before ESC kicks in. They've noticeably improved the steering feel with the ePAS system compared with the 991 Gen 1. I find it pretty practical too - rear and front IsoFix is an bonus with having young kids.
Insurance is relatively expensive. Ditto tyres. Some people would want a louder exhaust - not needed IMHO. I would recommend buying a car from an OPC to get the full 2 year warranty - Turbos are complicated cars and expensive to fix. Otherwise - not many downsides. Happy shopping!
Thx - that sounds like a thumbs up!Car is excellent for daily use. Ride quality is good, and in "D" mode the car is very calm and quiet as PDK shuffles its way up to 7th as quickly as it can. I was worried about the width of the car initially but that's not been an issue. Exhaust note is well judged and not too obnoxious. There are some unexpected benefits - e.g. rear wheel steer (RWS) makes for good agility and cleverly hides the mass and it can achieve 30+ mpg on a run which I still find absurd. You can drive it without drawing too much attention to yourself (dependent on exterior colour) although everyone in a Golf R will want to race you.
When you ramp up through "Sport" and "Sport +" the car does take on different attitude. The torque is sensational and the upshifts addictive. The car has been more fun on track than I imagined despite not really being its natural home with its road biased tyres and lardy kerbweight.
Despite being 4WD it feels rear biased much of the time (mainly because it is) and is quite neutral in terms of handling. In winter you get that sure-footedness from the 4WD although the rears are so wide they do struggle for grip in cold/greasy conditions initially until they warm up a little and it's not difficult to get the car properly sideways before ESC kicks in. They've noticeably improved the steering feel with the ePAS system compared with the 991 Gen 1. I find it pretty practical too - rear and front IsoFix is an bonus with having young kids.
Insurance is relatively expensive. Ditto tyres. Some people would want a louder exhaust - not needed IMHO. I would recommend buying a car from an OPC to get the full 2 year warranty - Turbos are complicated cars and expensive to fix. Otherwise - not many downsides. Happy shopping!
Have you taken yours on any really long runs/weekends? 250 miles+?
I have just driven 800 miles from France in my 991.2 TS in one day and must say I find it brilliant for that kind of journey. It’s fast and relatively civilised at speed (some road noise but really not bad) and very comfortable.
Got in the car at 10am and climbed out 13.5 hours later and it hadn’t missed a beat. MPG was around 30 which is pretty good for 560bhp car imo.
I would like to try a Gen 2 car to see if I could tell the difference in the drive but at circa. £40k cost of change for a good spec one I’m not sure I really would get the benefit.
Time to put another 10k on mine and then look at the 992.
Got in the car at 10am and climbed out 13.5 hours later and it hadn’t missed a beat. MPG was around 30 which is pretty good for 560bhp car imo.
I would like to try a Gen 2 car to see if I could tell the difference in the drive but at circa. £40k cost of change for a good spec one I’m not sure I really would get the benefit.
Time to put another 10k on mine and then look at the 992.
Yes, it's a good companion for longer trips. I find it quite relaxing because it has so much torque on tap for overtakes etc.. Seems like it has more refinement than the Carrera models I would say, possibly more soundproofing and a more subtle exhaust note. The gearing is decent too - cruising at 80 ish on an autoroute it is quiet with no drone or excessive cabin noise.
I have the standard seats which i find are very comfortable.The narrow seat shoulders create a bit more space in the cabin and also helps with the kids jumping in and out of the back.
I see it as more of a GT car than a sports car even though it can clearly "do the numbers", if you know what I mean. It will make sense when you drive it back-to-back with your own C4 I suspect!
I have the standard seats which i find are very comfortable.The narrow seat shoulders create a bit more space in the cabin and also helps with the kids jumping in and out of the back.
I see it as more of a GT car than a sports car even though it can clearly "do the numbers", if you know what I mean. It will make sense when you drive it back-to-back with your own C4 I suspect!
I did 17k miles in a 991.2 Turbo S, living and commuting in London, doing track days, trips across Europe (some with roof box) - me on my own, me + other half, me + other half + baby. I loved every minute of it and had no hesitation using it for everything. It's comfy, relatively practical, just about below-radar, fast. I only gave it up when the second kid was imminent.
I did spec nose lift because there are some mean speed humps on my commute, but generally one doesn't need it.
The ride is good. I did Provence to London in a single day more than once, breaking only for petrol, and got out feeling pretty fresh. It ain't RR pillowy though!
I did spec nose lift because there are some mean speed humps on my commute, but generally one doesn't need it.
The ride is good. I did Provence to London in a single day more than once, breaking only for petrol, and got out feeling pretty fresh. It ain't RR pillowy though!
Edited by ab8 on Thursday 17th September 21:11
This topic is something that really interests me also. On the flip side are they special enough for more of a weekend car? I ask because ideal world the .2 gt3 would be the first choice. However with 2 small children it would be nice to have something that I could take them out in and consequently get used more. My concern with the turbo is that they are just too good at what they do and won’t have the sense of occasion, the noise is quite muted , not as raw etc. Is outright speed alone enough to keep boredom from setting in?
Heathrow said:
992 no doubt moves the game on, ignoring the not insignificant £75k difference in purchase cost between the 992 and 991!
Used of course. But I have not seen one used 991 turbo s how I would want to specify my own car and they are still £125k for 2-3 year old car. New 992 turbo s about £165k with a bit of spec so hardly any difference if you are buying like most people do on finance and paying monthly. I've driven 992 C4S and C2S. Its a better tourer than 991 turbo s but less fun to drive. I think 992 turbo s maybe fixes the dull nature of the 992 cooking models. 991.2 turbo s a hooligan of car when you have some space to use the power.Thinking of px ing my 991.2 GT3 RS in for a new 992 turbo s but unsure.
Reasons are; I love the 3 rs but it is a tad harsh for our roads but is mega on track. im thinking the turbo s will be a good compromise.
Read reviews and watched videos on the 992 turbo s and it looks like it could fit the bill for me. been and specced one up at local opc but been quoted 18 months for delivery ! Dont want to wait that long tbh
Looked at available cars on internet and all are asking overs for them which im not getting involved with.
Any current owners that have had an rs then moved on to one of the 992s throw any opinions into the mix ?
Reasons are; I love the 3 rs but it is a tad harsh for our roads but is mega on track. im thinking the turbo s will be a good compromise.
Read reviews and watched videos on the 992 turbo s and it looks like it could fit the bill for me. been and specced one up at local opc but been quoted 18 months for delivery ! Dont want to wait that long tbh
Looked at available cars on internet and all are asking overs for them which im not getting involved with.
Any current owners that have had an rs then moved on to one of the 992s throw any opinions into the mix ?
TonyF said:
Thinking of px ing my 991.2 GT3 RS in for a new 992 turbo s but unsure.
Reasons are; I love the 3 rs but it is a tad harsh for our roads but is mega on track. im thinking the turbo s will be a good compromise.
Read reviews and watched videos on the 992 turbo s and it looks like it could fit the bill for me. been and specced one up at local opc but been quoted 18 months for delivery ! Dont want to wait that long tbh
Looked at available cars on internet and all are asking overs for them which im not getting involved with.
Any current owners that have had an rs then moved on to one of the 992s throw any opinions into the mix ?
I'm sometimes thinking of changing my RS for the 992TTS as its the only 992 i like..I'll probably get more use out of it however i don't think i'll adapt to the very muted sound and the weight has crept over what i want from a 911..Reasons are; I love the 3 rs but it is a tad harsh for our roads but is mega on track. im thinking the turbo s will be a good compromise.
Read reviews and watched videos on the 992 turbo s and it looks like it could fit the bill for me. been and specced one up at local opc but been quoted 18 months for delivery ! Dont want to wait that long tbh
Looked at available cars on internet and all are asking overs for them which im not getting involved with.
Any current owners that have had an rs then moved on to one of the 992s throw any opinions into the mix ?
Ideally i'd want a 992TTS Coupe with the 30Kg lighter Lightweight package with LWBS as i have no use whatsoever for the tiny rear seats..Personally i'd stick with the RS unless you can get a 992TTS much sooner than 18mths..
Denno B said:
This topic is something that really interests me also. On the flip side are they special enough for more of a weekend car? I ask because ideal world the .2 gt3 would be the first choice. However with 2 small children it would be nice to have something that I could take them out in and consequently get used more. My concern with the turbo is that they are just too good at what they do and won’t have the sense of occasion, the noise is quite muted , not as raw etc. Is outright speed alone enough to keep boredom from setting in?
IMHO no, they're not special enough to have just as a weekend car, and there are more exciting cars to be had for the money (or less money). Especially since you have a 991.2 GT3 already. But if you want a car to use in all weathers and all conditions, school run, longer trips, odd trackday, driving tour etc. it will be competent at everything, without hitting the ultimate highs of more focussed cars.I remember someone describing the turbo as a swiss army knife - I think that description is right. The all-round usability is its trump card. And it's definitely a "grower".
Taffy66 said:
I'm sometimes thinking of changing my RS for the 992TTS as its the only 992 i like..I'll probably get more use out of it however i don't think i'll adapt to the very muted sound and the weight has crept over what i want from a 911..
Ideally i'd want a 992TTS Coupe with the 30Kg lighter Lightweight package with LWBS as i have no use whatsoever for the tiny rear seats..Personally i'd stick with the RS unless you can get a 992TTS much sooner than 18mths..
I'd think long and hard about trading an RS for a Turbo (that applies to 991, 997, 996!), but as you allude to they are obviously very different tools. Ideally i'd want a 992TTS Coupe with the 30Kg lighter Lightweight package with LWBS as i have no use whatsoever for the tiny rear seats..Personally i'd stick with the RS unless you can get a 992TTS much sooner than 18mths..
30KG will make minimal difference. The Turbo is chubby. 30KG is the equivalent of a third of a male adult passenger, or one third of a tank of petrol :-) although I can see the appeal of the LWBS they seem a rare option in Turbos of any generation.
I 100% recommend the 991.2 Turbo. (with the one caveat that this is NOT a GT3 comparable product).
The 991.2 Turbo S makes a great daily, read any review and they say this is the car that does everything. I find mine exactly as expected and as most reviews describe. I love its usability and reduced my garage by 2 cars to use and enjoy this car everyday. No it is not as exciting as a GT3RS or even GT4, but it does everything else so much better. Long journeys are no problem and very enjoyable (I have adaptive cruise) The comfort seats have exceeded my expectation, previously owning 3 Porches with 918 buckets (also excellent but slightly harder to leap in and out of).
Ideally one still needs something rawer from the weekend.
Pick the Turbo for 4 seats, comfort, overtaking, usability.
Pick a 991.1RS (avoid the .2 IMO) for a weekend event and track days.
Yet to track the Turbo, but am sure it'll be worth doing, even if I leave thinking should have kept the RS...
The 991.2 Turbo S makes a great daily, read any review and they say this is the car that does everything. I find mine exactly as expected and as most reviews describe. I love its usability and reduced my garage by 2 cars to use and enjoy this car everyday. No it is not as exciting as a GT3RS or even GT4, but it does everything else so much better. Long journeys are no problem and very enjoyable (I have adaptive cruise) The comfort seats have exceeded my expectation, previously owning 3 Porches with 918 buckets (also excellent but slightly harder to leap in and out of).
Ideally one still needs something rawer from the weekend.
Pick the Turbo for 4 seats, comfort, overtaking, usability.
Pick a 991.1RS (avoid the .2 IMO) for a weekend event and track days.
Yet to track the Turbo, but am sure it'll be worth doing, even if I leave thinking should have kept the RS...
I ran 991.1 and.2 Turbo S as a daily cars for 4.5 years, had 4 and did just over 100k miles, drives down to Marbella, Track days, V-Max runs. I don't think there has been a better all-round performance car made. Based on my 1500 miles so far in 992 Turbo S, on road and round Silverstone it really does move things on in all areas. That's not to say the 991s Turbo Ss are not great cars.
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