Doing high mileage in a 991
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Hi all, I currently have a discovery 4, had 2 over the last 5 years, i do roughly 20,000 miles a year and will do for the foreseeable. I was just wondering what you think a car like the link bellow would be worth after 3 years and 60,000 more miles?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010275...
The reason i ask is i want a change, i can either go for a 2020 BMW 745e as a company car, will depreciate heavily however my only cost is £400ish in company car tax, or i get an allowance and buy a 911 myself and have many more enjoyable miles, however if the numbers are way off its probably not worth it?
Cheers in advance
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010275...
The reason i ask is i want a change, i can either go for a 2020 BMW 745e as a company car, will depreciate heavily however my only cost is £400ish in company car tax, or i get an allowance and buy a 911 myself and have many more enjoyable miles, however if the numbers are way off its probably not worth it?
Cheers in advance
I am directly affected by the depreciation of the 7 series so i am not getting away from that. I went for a test drive in a 745e 20 plate, it was £57,000, i asked for a 3 year pcp and the balloon payment was £19,700 which is an indication of where they value it. I basically need to convince myself that the 911 wont cost too much more.
I was thinking along the same lines of depreciation to be fair, its a lot but could be worth it.
I was thinking along the same lines of depreciation to be fair, its a lot but could be worth it.
All I can say is that the 991 is fantastic car and will still be worth at least 35k in three years with the mileage you add. Thats the price all modern one tend to sit at for a while. Still £35k for a nice 997. the 991 is cheaper than the BMW to own in terms of over all cost of ownership over 3 years 
There are others far better-placed to comment on the 991’s future value, but nothing on God’s green earth depreciates like a German super-saloon.
Today, you can get a 7-Series or S Class from the same year as that 991 for under 20k, so it’s fair to say the depreciation hit will be significantly higher on the 7.
Conversely, while I’ve no doubt a 991 can handle the miles; if your 20k pa is going to comprise of a lot of motorway cruising, there’s nowhere better to do it than said German saloon masterpieces, with the exception of doubling/trebling the price for a RR or Bentley.
Today, you can get a 7-Series or S Class from the same year as that 991 for under 20k, so it’s fair to say the depreciation hit will be significantly higher on the 7.
Conversely, while I’ve no doubt a 991 can handle the miles; if your 20k pa is going to comprise of a lot of motorway cruising, there’s nowhere better to do it than said German saloon masterpieces, with the exception of doubling/trebling the price for a RR or Bentley.
Edited by Royal Jelly on Tuesday 3rd November 09:46
benyates92 said:
I am directly affected by the depreciation of the 7 series so i am not getting away from that. I went for a test drive in a 745e 20 plate, it was £57,000, i asked for a 3 year pcp and the balloon payment was £19,700 which is an indication of where they value it. I basically need to convince myself that the 911 wont cost too much more.
I was thinking along the same lines of depreciation to be fair, its a lot but could be worth it.
Can you get a PCP quote on the 911 for a direct comparison?I was thinking along the same lines of depreciation to be fair, its a lot but could be worth it.
I know it sounds daft but if I am doing 20k miles a year I want a car that’s specced right for it and I’d struggle with a 991.1 purely because it doesn’t have Apple Car Play. Waze/Google Maps is so much better in my opinion than anything else...yes I know you can get a phone bracket but for me it’s a consideration.
I’d also make sure OP that a 991 is somewhere you want to do 20k miles a year....you’re currently using big comfortable 4x4’s and given your other option is a 7 series you seem to like comfortable cars.
I’d also make sure OP that a 991 is somewhere you want to do 20k miles a year....you’re currently using big comfortable 4x4’s and given your other option is a 7 series you seem to like comfortable cars.
Cheaper to do it in a Cayman but you will miss the comfort levels. All the Porsche sports cars seem to be a lot noiser than an exec barge, particularly on motorways where the wide tyres are loud.
As a company car the Taycan has some big tax benefits, 100% writing down allowance in the first year and a zero BIK. Is almost like the government is giving them away...
Not sure I could live with the range though.
As a company car the Taycan has some big tax benefits, 100% writing down allowance in the first year and a zero BIK. Is almost like the government is giving them away...
Not sure I could live with the range though.
I know I may get lynched for this, but if you are doing those sorts of miles I’m not sure a 911 is the right car. My rationale is that with that sort of mileage, it takes the ‘specialness’ away from the car. I speak from experience of daily driving my car pre COVID to now having it as a weekend car, and whilst I still always liked driving it daily, not having to now makes me enjoy every drive even more.
Fnumber1user said:
Can't work out from your (lack of) information if that's £400 a month, a year or what.
The two cars you've stated are so wildly different and there's probably a much more tax efficient (and overall cost) way of accessing either vehicle. Is it your own company?, is it Ltd etc.
Sorry for my lack of information, it is £400 a month otherwise this would have been a no brainer! Yes its my own LTD company.The two cars you've stated are so wildly different and there's probably a much more tax efficient (and overall cost) way of accessing either vehicle. Is it your own company?, is it Ltd etc.
Royal Jelly said:
Conversely, while I’ve no doubt a 991 can handle the miles; if your 20k pa is going to comprise of a lot of motorway cruising, there’s nowhere better to do it than said German saloon masterpieces, with the exception of doubling/trebling the price for a RR or Bentley.
My commute to work is 34 miles each way, of which only 10 miles is motorway, the rest is Manchester city center then into some nice B roads into Clitheroe. The BMW is without question a better to car to much the miles on a motorway but i am really not on it for long. 82 DVY said:
Can you get a PCP quote on the 911 for a direct comparison?
I will try and get one today to give it a fair comparisonCheib said:
I know it sounds daft but if I am doing 20k miles a year I want a car that’s specced right for it and I’d struggle with a 991.1 purely because it doesn’t have Apple Car Play. Waze/Google Maps is so much better in my opinion than anything else...yes I know you can get a phone bracket but for me it’s a consideration.
I’d also make sure OP that a 991 is somewhere you want to do 20k miles a year....you’re currently using big comfortable 4x4’s and given your other option is a 7 series you seem to like comfortable cars.
Yeah i appreciate what you are saying about the spec, but the maps in my current car are dreadful so dont feel like i am downgrading.I’d also make sure OP that a 991 is somewhere you want to do 20k miles a year....you’re currently using big comfortable 4x4’s and given your other option is a 7 series you seem to like comfortable cars.
Yeah well this is one of my biggest concerns, i was even concerned going to the 745 as its a much lower seating position, that completely went out the window when i tested it. I have a 2007 997 that i have had for the last 8 years, unfortunately it is up on my ramp in bits, its also a manual so wouldn't really be ideal, my point is though that i am no stranger to the 911 and its quirks.
Schmed said:
Cheaper to do it in a Cayman but you will miss the comfort levels. All the Porsche sports cars seem to be a lot noiser than an exec barge, particularly on motorways where the wide tyres are loud.
As a company car the Taycan has some big tax benefits, 100% writing down allowance in the first year and a zero BIK. Is almost like the government is giving them away...
Not sure I could live with the range though.
I agree there are far cheaper ways of going about this. In regards to the Taycan, the range doesn't bother me, just the £100K price tag to initially get one, also whats the value of one of those going to be with 60k on the clock? As a company car the Taycan has some big tax benefits, 100% writing down allowance in the first year and a zero BIK. Is almost like the government is giving them away...
Not sure I could live with the range though.
Boardingnath said:
I know I may get lynched for this, but if you are doing those sorts of miles I’m not sure a 911 is the right car. My rationale is that with that sort of mileage, it takes the ‘specialness’ away from the car. I speak from experience of daily driving my car pre COVID to now having it as a weekend car, and whilst I still always liked driving it daily, not having to now makes me enjoy every drive even more.
Yeah i agree that doing those miles would potentially remove the specialness of it. However i am just getting really bored of wafting along in a big bus.My experience:
+/- If you can handle the driving position (I find sports car comfortable but my regular co-pilot suffers backpain after a while).
- Noise from the road (maybe the engine) can get tiring. You might not notice it directly at first until you switch between cars and find you get to work feeling fresher after taking the quieter car. Also I found my ears would ring slightly as I was turning up the stereo volume to hear it.
+ You'll look forwards to waking up early to beat the traffic and have a fun drive (route permitting).
- The novelty/excitement wears thin some days, it's ideal if you can switch between cars, then you'll appreciate it more.
Was going to suggest a test drive / rental for 24hours and try your commute but if I expect the first time will feel great even if you ears bleed
Is something cool about putting big miles on a sports car and the times on the road where it's nice and twisty or another cool cars pulls up next to you could be worth it whilst you can.
+/- If you can handle the driving position (I find sports car comfortable but my regular co-pilot suffers backpain after a while).
- Noise from the road (maybe the engine) can get tiring. You might not notice it directly at first until you switch between cars and find you get to work feeling fresher after taking the quieter car. Also I found my ears would ring slightly as I was turning up the stereo volume to hear it.
+ You'll look forwards to waking up early to beat the traffic and have a fun drive (route permitting).
- The novelty/excitement wears thin some days, it's ideal if you can switch between cars, then you'll appreciate it more.
Was going to suggest a test drive / rental for 24hours and try your commute but if I expect the first time will feel great even if you ears bleed
Is something cool about putting big miles on a sports car and the times on the road where it's nice and twisty or another cool cars pulls up next to you could be worth it whilst you can.
I had a similar predicament and ended up with a 997.2 for when the weather is good and an X3M Comp as a motorway hack which I never need to wash or think about and gets hammered in all weathers, has good lights, tech, comms and safety. I got depressed treating the 997 like that. If I was down to one car I’d want something as new as possible and would probably go Boxster GTS.
Everything will depreciate , especially with mileage. So it come down to what do you fancy driving ?
Put it another way, you'll be doing something not many on here get the chance to do, driving a 911 everyday making each mile a smile
Worse case, year later , sell it and try again... Take charge my man...
Put it another way, you'll be doing something not many on here get the chance to do, driving a 911 everyday making each mile a smile
Worse case, year later , sell it and try again... Take charge my man...
I dailyed my 911 for a while. Have to agree with Boardingnath, sort of ruined the specialness of it associating it with traffic, work and drudgery.
Perfectly capable but I definitely learnt that I prefer separating my special car from my commuting car - not for cost reasons - but psychological ones.
Perfectly capable but I definitely learnt that I prefer separating my special car from my commuting car - not for cost reasons - but psychological ones.
Lots of wise advice here. Exotic or fun machinery too quickly becomes a PITA on a rainy dark evening, or even on a nice day when you’re doing the same short run yet again and thinking about work or whatever.
Someone mentioned Alpina, there’s also some great AMGs, BMW Ms, and so on at your price range. I have a C63 AMG (6.2) for the daily that is so fun that I sold my 996 Turbo S, as it was redundant. Then I have a coupe of Ferraris for exotic summer outings, they are dreadful on a daily commute. I have been talking to my wife about replacing the AMG with a 911 of some type but as a daily the cons outweigh the pros, in my circumstances anyway.
It’s also true that big German saloons depreciate like unwanted Christmas presents.
Someone mentioned Alpina, there’s also some great AMGs, BMW Ms, and so on at your price range. I have a C63 AMG (6.2) for the daily that is so fun that I sold my 996 Turbo S, as it was redundant. Then I have a coupe of Ferraris for exotic summer outings, they are dreadful on a daily commute. I have been talking to my wife about replacing the AMG with a 911 of some type but as a daily the cons outweigh the pros, in my circumstances anyway.
It’s also true that big German saloons depreciate like unwanted Christmas presents.
I do 40k a year and bought a 991 a few years ago thinking it would be better than my usual large estate cars
Good points - looked nice
Bad points:
- I didn't gel with the PDK in auto - always in the wrong gear. Drove It everywhere in manual mode
- Long doors a pain in side by side parking
- Limited boot space was a more frequent pain than I thought it would be
- In heavy rain, in the dark you are right down in the spray and headlight glare.
- It had too few characteristics of a 911. Will be a better drivers car than a Disco 4 but you may not prefer it to your 997. My 996 was a far better 911.
I sold it after 10k.
Costs of servicing, depreciation, interest and warranty on that white car will be at least £40k at your mileage. Will get few takers in the trade as the colour is difficult to move on and sports chrono/exhaust are essential in a 991 for both enjoyment and resale.
Used Macan GTS at sub £50k will get you closer to the £25k mark total cost and scratch the Porsche itch?
Good points - looked nice
Bad points:
- I didn't gel with the PDK in auto - always in the wrong gear. Drove It everywhere in manual mode
- Long doors a pain in side by side parking
- Limited boot space was a more frequent pain than I thought it would be
- In heavy rain, in the dark you are right down in the spray and headlight glare.
- It had too few characteristics of a 911. Will be a better drivers car than a Disco 4 but you may not prefer it to your 997. My 996 was a far better 911.
I sold it after 10k.
Costs of servicing, depreciation, interest and warranty on that white car will be at least £40k at your mileage. Will get few takers in the trade as the colour is difficult to move on and sports chrono/exhaust are essential in a 991 for both enjoyment and resale.
Used Macan GTS at sub £50k will get you closer to the £25k mark total cost and scratch the Porsche itch?
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