997 - do it or don't I?
Discussion
Came across this thread a little earlier which in turn had a link to this car:
https://www.pms-motors.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...
My first 911 was a black 997.1 C4S. Sadly it was afflicted by some engine gremlins (you know the ones) and I sold it back to the indy I bought it from. Another story for another day.
Anyway, I loved the car. It was a Black C4S; manual, PSE. Very similar to this one.
I've not followed the 997 market but gather from a quick scroll that prices have firmed up a bit. I am tempted.....interested in thoughts on the one linked above...........
Advert references sports exhaust but it's not PSE looking at the tailpipes.
My 991 is light, 2WD and PDK. This is dark, 4WD and manual.
Before anyone jumps on me - I am NOT buying it hoping it will appreciate/top up my pension but equally I doubt it would fall too much further in value. Do I remember correctly that servicing move from 12 to 24 months around the time of this car? Would probably have it serviced annually but still curious on this one.
Predictably, my missus thinks it is, "another stupid idea - you won't be happy until it looks like a car park out there" so I need some convincing/ammunition!
https://www.pms-motors.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...
My first 911 was a black 997.1 C4S. Sadly it was afflicted by some engine gremlins (you know the ones) and I sold it back to the indy I bought it from. Another story for another day.
Anyway, I loved the car. It was a Black C4S; manual, PSE. Very similar to this one.
I've not followed the 997 market but gather from a quick scroll that prices have firmed up a bit. I am tempted.....interested in thoughts on the one linked above...........
Advert references sports exhaust but it's not PSE looking at the tailpipes.
My 991 is light, 2WD and PDK. This is dark, 4WD and manual.
Before anyone jumps on me - I am NOT buying it hoping it will appreciate/top up my pension but equally I doubt it would fall too much further in value. Do I remember correctly that servicing move from 12 to 24 months around the time of this car? Would probably have it serviced annually but still curious on this one.
Predictably, my missus thinks it is, "another stupid idea - you won't be happy until it looks like a car park out there" so I need some convincing/ammunition!
I’d recommend going 997.2 as I did in 2019 with a manual C4S. FWIW I bought from a reputable dealer at 49,000 and still
Have spent £5k getting it right. Its too old to use daily though so i have a newer daily. Can’t see why anyone would go 997.1 at that money when you’d need a slush fund of 10k for when the engine scores, which puts you firmly in 997.2 territory
Have spent £5k getting it right. Its too old to use daily though so i have a newer daily. Can’t see why anyone would go 997.1 at that money when you’d need a slush fund of 10k for when the engine scores, which puts you firmly in 997.2 territory
Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Sunday 17th January 19:08
richterswil said:
Came across this thread a little earlier which in turn had a link to this car:
https://www.pms-motors.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...
My first 911 was a black 997.1 C4S. Sadly it was afflicted by some engine gremlins (you know the ones) and I sold it back to the indy I bought it from. Another story for another day.
Anyway, I loved the car. It was a Black C4S; manual, PSE. Very similar to this one.
I've not followed the 997 market but gather from a quick scroll that prices have firmed up a bit. I am tempted.....interested in thoughts on the one linked above...........
Advert references sports exhaust but it's not PSE looking at the tailpipes.
My 991 is light, 2WD and PDK. This is dark, 4WD and manual.
Before anyone jumps on me - I am NOT buying it hoping it will appreciate/top up my pension but equally I doubt it would fall too much further in value. Do I remember correctly that servicing move from 12 to 24 months around the time of this car? Would probably have it serviced annually but still curious on this one.
Predictably, my missus thinks it is, "another stupid idea - you won't be happy until it looks like a car park out there" so I need some convincing/ammunition!
It does have the short shifter!https://www.pms-motors.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...
My first 911 was a black 997.1 C4S. Sadly it was afflicted by some engine gremlins (you know the ones) and I sold it back to the indy I bought it from. Another story for another day.
Anyway, I loved the car. It was a Black C4S; manual, PSE. Very similar to this one.
I've not followed the 997 market but gather from a quick scroll that prices have firmed up a bit. I am tempted.....interested in thoughts on the one linked above...........
Advert references sports exhaust but it's not PSE looking at the tailpipes.
My 991 is light, 2WD and PDK. This is dark, 4WD and manual.
Before anyone jumps on me - I am NOT buying it hoping it will appreciate/top up my pension but equally I doubt it would fall too much further in value. Do I remember correctly that servicing move from 12 to 24 months around the time of this car? Would probably have it serviced annually but still curious on this one.
Predictably, my missus thinks it is, "another stupid idea - you won't be happy until it looks like a car park out there" so I need some convincing/ammunition!
'If the mileage for scheduled maintenance is not reached, minor maintenance must be performed after 2, 6, 10 years at the latest' 4, 8,12 for major.'
IIRC the service intervals changed from 1 to 2 years with MY 2004 (ie: from August 2003), so it affected late 996's too. I've always had my 997 serviced annually, if nothing else an oil change. Really don't believe in 2 year service intervals, particularly for a long-term purchase.
The one in the advert seems expensive to me. If you're set on a .1 I'd actually advise against too low mileage (under ~30k miles) as more risk of things going wrong with cars that have been sat around unused or taken too many short trips.
But, in general on a 991 (.1 or .2)... DO IT! Would you be chopping in the 991?
RiccardoG said:
IIRC the service intervals changed from 1 to 2 years with MY 2004 (ie: from August 2003), so it affected late 996's too. I've always had my 997 serviced annually, if nothing else an oil change. Really don't believe in 2 year service intervals, particularly for a long-term purchase.
The one in the advert seems expensive to me. If you're set on a .1 I'd actually advise against too low mileage (under ~30k miles) as more risk of things going wrong with cars that have been sat around unused or taken too many short trips.
But, in general on a 991 (.1 or .2)... DO IT! Would you be chopping in the 991?
Wasn't the interval change driven more by the Marketing Dept (to keep up with other manufacturers) and not the engineers. I certainly still do annually.The one in the advert seems expensive to me. If you're set on a .1 I'd actually advise against too low mileage (under ~30k miles) as more risk of things going wrong with cars that have been sat around unused or taken too many short trips.
But, in general on a 991 (.1 or .2)... DO IT! Would you be chopping in the 991?
richterswil said:
Will keep an eye out. Decision is independent of the 991 - no plans to change that for the time being. Will wait to see how the 992 GTS write ups look.
I'm not familiar with the 991, but would have thought that two Carreras are relatively similar in what they do and how they deliver it so as to not be worth the effort? As much as I love my 997 C4S, if you have a 991 it will be "better" in most aspects. Enough to question why go back a generation, I'm not sure that the nostalgia value would last long?When / if I'll add another 911 to my fleet it will have to add a dimension. For instance, being a classic / oil cooled, a Targa, Turbo, convertible, GT etc...
Andyoz said:
Wasn't the interval change driven more by the Marketing Dept (to keep up with other manufacturers) and not the engineers. I certainly still do annually.
I certainly think so, for one. Note sure Porsche would confess though...Annual or bi annual service bills will probably be the least of your worries. Unless its already done then the cheaper/earlier 997s will start to go through what many 996's went through in the last few years. Anywhere where there's rubber it will start to show age. Ball joints, bushes, hoses, bearings in idler pulleys, tensioners, water pumps, radiators, AC hose seals etc all start to go just through age.
Unless its the actual car you owned with a rebuild then it seems an odd choice to sit with a 991. They both offer much the same experience.
Unless its the actual car you owned with a rebuild then it seems an odd choice to sit with a 991. They both offer much the same experience.
All fair points - rationale vs emotional!
No idea where my old car is now but I do know it is taxed and MOT’d so either some work was done on it or else the scoring on the cylinder linings will be a quite a sight by now. It’s done around 50k miles since I had it.
My Mrs will be pleased at least!
No idea where my old car is now but I do know it is taxed and MOT’d so either some work was done on it or else the scoring on the cylinder linings will be a quite a sight by now. It’s done around 50k miles since I had it.
My Mrs will be pleased at least!
It always makes me laugh when some one mentions buying a 997.1
By the third post post there’s the usual...... you can’t sleep at night once you’ve bought one ? Keep £10k under the mattress that you can’t sleep on for when the engine goes pop ! And the inevitable only buy a Hartech engined car !
First of all I own a .1 997 for the simple reason of liking the car ! I couldn’t give a monkeys if the engine goes pop, when a Capri sells for £40k or a 205 GTI for £25k and that’s a BARGAIN must have car or you’ve never lived and know nothing about cars.
What a laugh..... the .1 is a better looking 911 than the 2nd gen especially with Aero Body kit. It’s more aggressive looking from the front, a bit more purposeful. Sure the interior looks a tad outdated but there’s a fix for that. Buy a 992 for £120k, likewise reliability, if you struggle sleeping at night then simply a buy a new car with warranty.
My mate bought a re engined 997.1 from a well established Indy, they re sleeves cylinders 5 & 6 and that was it. It’s not often some one shells out thousands of pounds for a complete re build and then sells their car. Incidentally mines got less than 50k on the clock, has absolutely no signs of bore scuffing and either bank on any cylinder. does about 1,500 miles a year. It’s serviced by me and is 100% reliable. Buy wisely. If you buy a car with 100k on the clock with 7 different owners and then blame the car for breaking down then that’s just ignorant.
How can any one guarantee that over the past few weeks with sub zero temps a car hasn’t been thraped to the limiter from cold. That could be up for sale shortly but who’s to know how it’s been driven ? The manual suffers way less failure than the auto which is a horrible thing to drive any way in a 997 as it is archaic and not PDK.
If you want one then buy one, spend your money how you want not how other people would spend it for you.
ArchiesDad said:
It always makes me laugh when some one mentions buying a 997.1
By the third post post there’s the usual...... you can’t sleep at night once you’ve bought one ? Keep £10k under the mattress that you can’t sleep on for when the engine goes pop ! And the inevitable only buy a Hartech engined car !
First of all I own a .1 997 for the simple reason of liking the car ! I couldn’t give a monkeys if the engine goes pop, when a Capri sells for £40k or a 205 GTI for £25k and that’s a BARGAIN must have car or you’ve never lived and know nothing about cars.
What a laugh..... the .1 is a better looking 911 than the 2nd gen especially with Aero Body kit. It’s more aggressive looking from the front, a bit more purposeful. Sure the interior looks a tad outdated but there’s a fix for that. Buy a 992 for £120k, likewise reliability, if you struggle sleeping at night then simply a buy a new car with warranty.
My mate bought a re engined 997.1 from a well established Indy, they re sleeves cylinders 5 & 6 and that was it. It’s not often some one shells out thousands of pounds for a complete re build and then sells their car. Incidentally mines got less than 50k on the clock, has absolutely no signs of bore scuffing and either bank on any cylinder. does about 1,500 miles a year. It’s serviced by me and is 100% reliable. Buy wisely. If you buy a car with 100k on the clock with 7 different owners and then blame the car for breaking down then that’s just ignorant.
How can any one guarantee that over the past few weeks with sub zero temps a car hasn’t been thraped to the limiter from cold. That could be up for sale shortly but who’s to know how it’s been driven ? The manual suffers way less failure than the auto which is a horrible thing to drive any way in a 997 as it is archaic and not PDK.
If you want one then buy one, spend your money how you want not how other people would spend it for you.
Hear hear By the third post post there’s the usual...... you can’t sleep at night once you’ve bought one ? Keep £10k under the mattress that you can’t sleep on for when the engine goes pop ! And the inevitable only buy a Hartech engined car !
First of all I own a .1 997 for the simple reason of liking the car ! I couldn’t give a monkeys if the engine goes pop, when a Capri sells for £40k or a 205 GTI for £25k and that’s a BARGAIN must have car or you’ve never lived and know nothing about cars.
What a laugh..... the .1 is a better looking 911 than the 2nd gen especially with Aero Body kit. It’s more aggressive looking from the front, a bit more purposeful. Sure the interior looks a tad outdated but there’s a fix for that. Buy a 992 for £120k, likewise reliability, if you struggle sleeping at night then simply a buy a new car with warranty.
My mate bought a re engined 997.1 from a well established Indy, they re sleeves cylinders 5 & 6 and that was it. It’s not often some one shells out thousands of pounds for a complete re build and then sells their car. Incidentally mines got less than 50k on the clock, has absolutely no signs of bore scuffing and either bank on any cylinder. does about 1,500 miles a year. It’s serviced by me and is 100% reliable. Buy wisely. If you buy a car with 100k on the clock with 7 different owners and then blame the car for breaking down then that’s just ignorant.
How can any one guarantee that over the past few weeks with sub zero temps a car hasn’t been thraped to the limiter from cold. That could be up for sale shortly but who’s to know how it’s been driven ? The manual suffers way less failure than the auto which is a horrible thing to drive any way in a 997 as it is archaic and not PDK.
If you want one then buy one, spend your money how you want not how other people would spend it for you.
My 997.1 is coming up for 110k and I've done 38,000 of those over the last 10 years. Some years I do a load of miles, some I might struggle to manage 1500, but she gets an oil and filter change every year regardless, never gets opened up beyond 4k rpm until the oil temp is above 90deg and I don't use 5th or 6th gears below 40 mph.
She uses hardly any oil, is used for short journey's, loves motorway cruising or being driven like a stabbed rat and is still strong as an Ox.
Edited by STiG911 on Friday 22 January 16:20
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