996 GT3 Service gap
Discussion
Thinking about the possibility of getting a 996 GT3 and the below one looked pretty good.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11217292
However, there is a large gap in the service history of 10 years while the previous owner had it in long-term storage. Prior to this it was serviced every 1-2 years at OPC/specialists and has just come out of hibernation and had a full service and suspension alignment prior to coming on the market.
It covered about 600 miles in this 10 year period, presumably just to keep the car ticking over.
Would anyone be overly concerned about this gap in the service history given the very few miles it had covered?
Nothing to worry about, or should I steer clear?
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11217292
However, there is a large gap in the service history of 10 years while the previous owner had it in long-term storage. Prior to this it was serviced every 1-2 years at OPC/specialists and has just come out of hibernation and had a full service and suspension alignment prior to coming on the market.
It covered about 600 miles in this 10 year period, presumably just to keep the car ticking over.
Would anyone be overly concerned about this gap in the service history given the very few miles it had covered?
Nothing to worry about, or should I steer clear?
From a collectors point of view, it’s likely IMO to be worth less than a car with servicing every year/other year just because it’s different to everything that’s been serviced regularly (which is why it’s £10k less than similar mileage/age cars for sale currently). I’d suggest you’d want to check the online MOT history to corroborate the story on storage.
IMO the service it’s just had should have included all fluids (including coolant), all belts & a replacement set of tyres as even though it might have done very few miles in 14 years, the tyres will have hardened. I’d also be asking to see CofGs inspection report from the geo setup (and what they did work-wise) as they’re very observant on anything visual mechanically from my experience & will put it in their report.
If the tyres/coolant haven’t been changed, you’ve got some change vs the others available to do this (or negotiate for the dealer to do it at trade rates if necessary just for ease etc).
IMO the service it’s just had should have included all fluids (including coolant), all belts & a replacement set of tyres as even though it might have done very few miles in 14 years, the tyres will have hardened. I’d also be asking to see CofGs inspection report from the geo setup (and what they did work-wise) as they’re very observant on anything visual mechanically from my experience & will put it in their report.
If the tyres/coolant haven’t been changed, you’ve got some change vs the others available to do this (or negotiate for the dealer to do it at trade rates if necessary just for ease etc).
Edited by MrC986 on Wednesday 3rd February 14:17
Thanks for the advice.
On the subject of values, does anyone ever pay 70k for one of these? They seem to be hanging around for ages at this price. A quick look at the four 996 GT3s which have sold through CC show the average selling price was c. 54k (so call it 57k with commission). I know dealers need a bit of a mark up, but 70k?
On the subject of values, does anyone ever pay 70k for one of these? They seem to be hanging around for ages at this price. A quick look at the four 996 GT3s which have sold through CC show the average selling price was c. 54k (so call it 57k with commission). I know dealers need a bit of a mark up, but 70k?
Andym3 said:
Thanks for the advice.
On the subject of values, does anyone ever pay 70k for one of these? They seem to be hanging around for ages at this price. A quick look at the four 996 GT3s which have sold through CC show the average selling price was c. 54k (so call it 57k with commission). I know dealers need a bit of a mark up, but 70k?
They might have paid close to £70k from a reputable dealer with full history (main dealer) with the right spec & all the invoices pre-Covid. Autostore do seem to find a few low mileage cars & they have their own storage business which also helps if customers are considering selling. I suspect a few cars are on SOR in the market & hence the customers almost use the dealers showroom as free storage & also might be trying to convince their “significant others” that they’re trying to sell when they’ve just said to a dealer mate “put it up at a stupid price” for a quiet life On the subject of values, does anyone ever pay 70k for one of these? They seem to be hanging around for ages at this price. A quick look at the four 996 GT3s which have sold through CC show the average selling price was c. 54k (so call it 57k with commission). I know dealers need a bit of a mark up, but 70k?
At the price advertised, I’d be getting them to walk you around the car with a video call so you can say “what’s that?” & “can you look more closely at that”? You could always put a returnable deposit down (using your credit card) subject to getting the car inspected & take it from there as the lockdown will deter some from buying cars without an actual inspection.. IMO red is the colour to have on a mk1 GT3 as well
Andym3 said:
On the subject of values, does anyone ever pay 70k for one of these? They seem to be hanging around for ages at this price. A quick look at the four 996 GT3s which have sold through CC show the average selling price was c. 54k (so call it 57k with commission). I know dealers need a bit of a mark up, but 70k?
You do get the odd ones sold at 7+. RPM sold a yellow 996.2 recently with an asking price of £69995. A PHer bought a Manthey Mk1 for 7+ last year (?). Steve Bull Porsche sold a Mk2 CS for not far off that a couple of years ago (said car subsequently was written off)..... etc
But yes, prices have softened a bit since 2018. I would say 5 or 6 are the norm depending on mileage and history.
Andym3 said:
Thinking about the possibility of getting a 996 GT3 and the below one looked pretty good.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11217292
Looks like a fine car. Service gap due to long-term storage would not bother me.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11217292
BrotherMouzone said:
Looks like a fine car. Service gap due to long-term storage would not bother me.
Yes, it doesn't particularly bother me either. What's putting me in two minds is the general consensus of potential buyers when the time comes for me to sell in the future. Would it put off buyers? I don't really want something that will be difficult to sell? Or would it not be an issue for most, assuming regular maintenance is kept up from now on?Andym3 said:
BrotherMouzone said:
Looks like a fine car. Service gap due to long-term storage would not bother me.
Yes, it doesn't particularly bother me either. What's putting me in two minds is the general consensus of potential buyers when the time comes for me to sell in the future. Would it put off buyers? I don't really want something that will be difficult to sell? Or would it not be an issue for most, assuming regular maintenance is kept up from now on?If you try to sell it after a year and 1000 miles, buyers will be nervous about why you're selling it and what problems are hiding under the shiny paintwork.
Andym3 said:
BrotherMouzone said:
Looks like a fine car. Service gap due to long-term storage would not bother me.
Yes, it doesn't particularly bother me either. What's putting me in two minds is the general consensus of potential buyers when the time comes for me to sell in the future. Would it put off buyers? I don't really want something that will be difficult to sell? Or would it not be an issue for most, assuming regular maintenance is kept up from now on?Exactly.
The dreamers and absolute nightmare customers will say it should be serviced on time regardless but I know a few of my mates with collections who just don’t use some of their cars due to being mega busy.
Because of that they’re also too busy to be checking when to service a car that simply hasn’t moved.
If it hasn’t moved, nothing has worn. As long as it’s had a good service when being put back into action (which this one has), it’ll be fine.
I’d be very wary of Autostore though. The salesman is full of s
t.
Be very clear on the level of prep you’re agreeing on and be prepared to walk away on collection if things aren’t done.
That’s speaking from experience and funnily enough on a 996 GT3.
The above applies even more if the car is sale or return. They work for the seller not the buyer and want to spend as little as possible on the prep.
Regarding prices, they were buoyant last summer after lockdown then they really cooled off from September but now there just doesn’t seem to be any cheap ones about.
I think most owners are sitting tight and prices will stay ok as we come into spring and hopefully a more normal summer.
I hate discussing the money side of them though. Boriiing, but that’s how I see it currently.
I can’t wait to get mine back out in spring.
The dreamers and absolute nightmare customers will say it should be serviced on time regardless but I know a few of my mates with collections who just don’t use some of their cars due to being mega busy.
Because of that they’re also too busy to be checking when to service a car that simply hasn’t moved.
If it hasn’t moved, nothing has worn. As long as it’s had a good service when being put back into action (which this one has), it’ll be fine.
I’d be very wary of Autostore though. The salesman is full of s
t. Be very clear on the level of prep you’re agreeing on and be prepared to walk away on collection if things aren’t done.
That’s speaking from experience and funnily enough on a 996 GT3.
The above applies even more if the car is sale or return. They work for the seller not the buyer and want to spend as little as possible on the prep.
Regarding prices, they were buoyant last summer after lockdown then they really cooled off from September but now there just doesn’t seem to be any cheap ones about.
I think most owners are sitting tight and prices will stay ok as we come into spring and hopefully a more normal summer.
I hate discussing the money side of them though. Boriiing, but that’s how I see it currently.
I can’t wait to get mine back out in spring.
Edited by marky911 on Thursday 4th February 00:16
OP, Marky911 bought a 996.2 GT3 & hence is worth listening too as his car came from the dealer in question....
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=133731&postda...
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=133731&postda...
BrotherMouzone said:
You do get the odd ones sold at 7+.
RPM sold a yellow 996.2 recently with an asking price of £69995. A PHer bought a Manthey Mk1 for 7+ last year (?). Steve Bull Porsche sold a Mk2 CS for not far off that a couple of years ago (said car subsequently was written off)..... etc
But yes, prices have softened a bit since 2018. I would say 5 or 6 are the norm depending on mileage and history.
The yellow 996.2 that RPM Technik sold was a low mileage clubsport and the absolute "top of the tree" in terms of condition, provenance and spec for a GT3 CS (PCCBs etc.) RPM sold a yellow 996.2 recently with an asking price of £69995. A PHer bought a Manthey Mk1 for 7+ last year (?). Steve Bull Porsche sold a Mk2 CS for not far off that a couple of years ago (said car subsequently was written off)..... etc
But yes, prices have softened a bit since 2018. I would say 5 or 6 are the norm depending on mileage and history.
That was until the mint 7,500 mile (!) Guards Red clubbie currently for sale on their website appeared - yours for 100 bags of sand (less change) - although it lacks litronics and PCCBs which some people might care about.
andylaight said:
so what are thoughts on mk2 clubsport at 911V please
911V so would assume it's a "top 10%" car of the breed. They are selective with their stock IME.Yellow calipers would indicate it was originally running ceramics. Looks like it now has steels judging by the pictures and also given the reference to Performance Friction brakes (if that bothers you).
Very well sorted car by the looks of it, if you plan to buy and use it as intended, full cage useful for trackdays.
Not super low mileage for the asking price but not high either and it looks like it's been properly serviced with preventative maintenance.
NIgt3 said:
Andym3 said:
BrotherMouzone said:
Looks like a fine car. Service gap due to long-term storage would not bother me.
Yes, it doesn't particularly bother me either. What's putting me in two minds is the general consensus of potential buyers when the time comes for me to sell in the future. Would it put off buyers? I don't really want something that will be difficult to sell? Or would it not be an issue for most, assuming regular maintenance is kept up from now on?Andym3 said:
Would anyone be overly concerned about this gap in the service history given the very few miles it had covered?
Nothing to worry about, or should I steer clear?
It depends on your reason for buying I guess. The beards will always want an ornament with impeccable history documenting its complete lack of us. If your going to enjoy it through use then 1 year from now the gap won't make much difference to the next owner if they are of the same view on use.Nothing to worry about, or should I steer clear?
I think most folk agree that its better to use these cars to keep them healthy but at the same time there is a massive gap between being stored and being neglected. It certainly doesn't look neglected. Lovely looking thing, get it bought and drive it.
nunpuncher said:
It depends on your reason for buying I guess. The beards will always want an ornament with impeccable history documenting its complete lack of us. If your going to enjoy it through use then 1 year from now the gap won't make much difference to the next owner if they are of the same view on use.
I think most folk agree that its better to use these cars to keep them healthy but at the same time there is a massive gap between being stored and being neglected. It certainly doesn't look neglected. Lovely looking thing, get it bought and drive it.
The plan would be to keep long term and and to use it regularly as a weekend toy. Maintenance would be annual oil change plus servicing as per the schedule.I think most folk agree that its better to use these cars to keep them healthy but at the same time there is a massive gap between being stored and being neglected. It certainly doesn't look neglected. Lovely looking thing, get it bought and drive it.
To me the gap in the servicing due to long term storage isn't a problem assuming that the car is still in fine fettle. As long as there is proof in the history backing up that it was in storage, I can't see any reason in the future why anyone should be put off ... but as you say, there will always be a few out there who wont want anything but FSH regardless of the circumstances or condition of the car.
To me the servicing gap only matters if you are genuinely buying it primarily as an investment. In which case I would be seeking out an OEM and factory original <20k mile Clubbie with impeccable OPC service and preventative maintenance history and low owner numbers.
Otherwise if your criteria is different from the above, buy a 996 GT3s that fits your own tastes and enjoy and use - providing of course that you are not overpaying the entry price, especially so where expensive work will be shortly due.
The spread on the asking prices for these cars is at times comical. But there is a difference between "asking" and "selling".
Otherwise if your criteria is different from the above, buy a 996 GT3s that fits your own tastes and enjoy and use - providing of course that you are not overpaying the entry price, especially so where expensive work will be shortly due.
The spread on the asking prices for these cars is at times comical. But there is a difference between "asking" and "selling".
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