997.2 RS vs. 991.1 RS - your experience !?
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Yes but you need to ask the question in some sort of context.
In the context of a track day. It’s very subjective. I have driven 997.2 a lot and 991.1 not much..Both cars are very different. Back to back the 991 feels a very modern car. The 997 is beautifully well honed version from the previous era. In performance terms the 991.1 was quite a step on. My experience was that the front end of the 991 was no longer a thing to manage under steer was virtually non existent at track day pace and changing gear mid corner with virtually no risk of unsettling the car was a revelation.
Wether that’s as rewarding an experience as the 997.2 is something only you can answer as it really is more difficult to extract a time from. My personal desire for GT cars ended at the 997. For pure driving engagement the 996 is probably even better.
Not sure that helps ? :-)
In the context of a track day. It’s very subjective. I have driven 997.2 a lot and 991.1 not much..Both cars are very different. Back to back the 991 feels a very modern car. The 997 is beautifully well honed version from the previous era. In performance terms the 991.1 was quite a step on. My experience was that the front end of the 991 was no longer a thing to manage under steer was virtually non existent at track day pace and changing gear mid corner with virtually no risk of unsettling the car was a revelation.
Wether that’s as rewarding an experience as the 997.2 is something only you can answer as it really is more difficult to extract a time from. My personal desire for GT cars ended at the 997. For pure driving engagement the 996 is probably even better.
Not sure that helps ? :-)
The 991 is a more capable but less engaging car. The 997 is more race car than road car and the 992 more road car than race car.
It really depends on what you want from the car. Both very good GT cars. If you want instant accessibility I’d go 991. If you want more engagement and reward I’d go 997
It really depends on what you want from the car. Both very good GT cars. If you want instant accessibility I’d go 991. If you want more engagement and reward I’d go 997
thanks.
why you think 991 is more road car? Bc. more comfort and easy in traffic or bc driving dynamics/handling (to much body roll, not sharp enough, electronics kick in to early...?)
i know what you mean, same speed 991 and 997, 991 feels boring and no reward. But if you use the higher performance you dont think this can generate another level of reward and challenge, or not that much fun to you?
why you think 991 is more road car? Bc. more comfort and easy in traffic or bc driving dynamics/handling (to much body roll, not sharp enough, electronics kick in to early...?)
i know what you mean, same speed 991 and 997, 991 feels boring and no reward. But if you use the higher performance you dont think this can generate another level of reward and challenge, or not that much fun to you?
Currently have a 991.1RS and a 997.1RS since new nad also had a 997. 2RS.
Steve Rance had it about right so will no repeat.
A couple of additional comments::
As a road car,depending on your driving location and habits the 991 is more confortable. My OH and others find the 997s to be too harsh and noisy. Also the clutch is exceptionally heavy. It is definitely the kind of car you have an insane desire to find some twisty road to play with it on. The 991 is great in normal use. Just throw it in auto in heavy traffic and it is relaxing. My first choice for normal road driving.
On track the 991 is far more forgiving (I am an ok track driver but no racer,so not a driving god). Ran all of them at Spa and the Ring.
7.1 has no stability control and will bite you in wet conditions. Had an embarrassing but harmless spin at Spa in the rain - bit of talent shortage but a very successful and well-known Le Manx winner warned me about the wet handling if driven hard. The 7.2 does have stability control.
No simple answer. Very different cars.
Steve Rance had it about right so will no repeat.
A couple of additional comments::
As a road car,depending on your driving location and habits the 991 is more confortable. My OH and others find the 997s to be too harsh and noisy. Also the clutch is exceptionally heavy. It is definitely the kind of car you have an insane desire to find some twisty road to play with it on. The 991 is great in normal use. Just throw it in auto in heavy traffic and it is relaxing. My first choice for normal road driving.
On track the 991 is far more forgiving (I am an ok track driver but no racer,so not a driving god). Ran all of them at Spa and the Ring.
7.1 has no stability control and will bite you in wet conditions. Had an embarrassing but harmless spin at Spa in the rain - bit of talent shortage but a very successful and well-known Le Manx winner warned me about the wet handling if driven hard. The 7.2 does have stability control.
No simple answer. Very different cars.
The 991 is a more competent all rounder,the chassis way above the 997.
To get a better undrstanding of these cars they need to be driven with all aids off ,like any other in the wet you need to drive to the conditions or get tyres that can cope with the conditions.
The 997 is a nice car but lacked feel in the wet out of the box,and jumps and skips around on b roads which is good fun to a point,it needed a competent damper spring set and set up for fast b road and junk the power steering.
It depends what you are looking for in a car,as they are not comparable, but both are enjoyable
To get a better undrstanding of these cars they need to be driven with all aids off ,like any other in the wet you need to drive to the conditions or get tyres that can cope with the conditions.
The 997 is a nice car but lacked feel in the wet out of the box,and jumps and skips around on b roads which is good fun to a point,it needed a competent damper spring set and set up for fast b road and junk the power steering.
It depends what you are looking for in a car,as they are not comparable, but both are enjoyable
Yellow491 said:
To get a better undrstanding of these cars they need to be driven with all aids off ,like any other in the wet you need to drive to the conditions or get tyres that can cope with the conditions.
I did this recently in my newly acquired old air cooled car. Went to Milbrook with an instructor...me in my car and a mate in his early 930 Turbo. Spent 45 mins on a wet handling pad learning about what demons the cars had....or in this case didn’t. I have had both. But I sold the 991.1 GT3 RS and still have the GT3 RS 4.0. They are chalk and cheese. Both Steve and Rob have said it previously. The 997 is the more engaging car to drive. It makes a nicer noise, has the obligatory oversteer when you push too hard and demands more of you as a driver in all aspects. The 991 is more clinical, also much more forgiving and easier to drive fast. It’s fun as well but not as rewarding. It’s too quick for the normal road in my opinion. You can have fun in both cars, but its the 997 that lingers in your memory for longer. The 991 GT3 RS is one in a succession of ever faster Porsche GT3 RS cars , the 997 GT3 RS (4.0) is a “once in a lifetime” sort of car. Unless you want to be seen in the latest and greatest RS, I would always go for the 997.
Edited by hornbaek on Sunday 4th April 16:50
Edited by hornbaek on Sunday 4th April 16:53
Yellow491 said:
The 991 is a more competent all rounder,the chassis way above the 997.
To get a better undrstanding of these cars they need to be driven with all aids off ,like any other in the wet you need to drive to the conditions or get tyres that can cope with the conditions.
The 997 is a nice car but lacked feel in the wet out of the box,and jumps and skips around on b roads which is good fun to a point,it needed a competent damper spring set and set up for fast b road and junk the power steering.
It depends what you are looking for in a car,as they are not comparable, but both are enjoyable
So you mean 991 has better handling/chassis feel with all aids off and better steering feel than 997, correct?To get a better undrstanding of these cars they need to be driven with all aids off ,like any other in the wet you need to drive to the conditions or get tyres that can cope with the conditions.
The 997 is a nice car but lacked feel in the wet out of the box,and jumps and skips around on b roads which is good fun to a point,it needed a competent damper spring set and set up for fast b road and junk the power steering.
It depends what you are looking for in a car,as they are not comparable, but both are enjoyable
I am looking for a robust car that give the most adrenaline kick on my favorit morning blast and 2-4 trackdays. No daily, comfort or anything else.
I’ve never driven a 991RS, but have extensive experience in the 997.1RS.
I’m not God’s gift to driving either but I can get the 997.1RS around the Nurburgring in about 8 mins flat (We don’t often time ourselves but when we did on occasion the best lap was 8:01-so near yet so far!).
On the track at least, the 991RS’ (of which there are loads more tracked these days) come past the 997RS like you’re almost stood still-they’re that fast!
Now, I’m sure that plenty are driven by more competent drivers than I but the speed differential is plain to see. They are massively faster.
Not that that’s everything of course. I love the intersection between the driver and the car of the 997. That to me is everything that driving is about.
That the 991 could get me around quicker is immaterial as it does so with two important factors removed-the manual gearbox and the lack of driver aids.
My laps in the RS are basically down to my skills at driving an analogue car and that’s what I like (it has ABS of course), driving the 991RS would I assume be a different set of skills-perhaps one of trusting the car to do what it does best.
There’s nothing wrong in preferring the different approaches but I have enough experience with semi/auto performance cars to know they aren’t for me.
TL;DR
Horses for courses.
I’m not God’s gift to driving either but I can get the 997.1RS around the Nurburgring in about 8 mins flat (We don’t often time ourselves but when we did on occasion the best lap was 8:01-so near yet so far!).
On the track at least, the 991RS’ (of which there are loads more tracked these days) come past the 997RS like you’re almost stood still-they’re that fast!
Now, I’m sure that plenty are driven by more competent drivers than I but the speed differential is plain to see. They are massively faster.
Not that that’s everything of course. I love the intersection between the driver and the car of the 997. That to me is everything that driving is about.
That the 991 could get me around quicker is immaterial as it does so with two important factors removed-the manual gearbox and the lack of driver aids.
My laps in the RS are basically down to my skills at driving an analogue car and that’s what I like (it has ABS of course), driving the 991RS would I assume be a different set of skills-perhaps one of trusting the car to do what it does best.
There’s nothing wrong in preferring the different approaches but I have enough experience with semi/auto performance cars to know they aren’t for me.
TL;DR
Horses for courses.
ttdan said:
In the context of a track day. It’s very subjective. I have driven 997.2 a lot and 991.1 not much..Both cars are very different. Back to back the 991 feels a very modern car. The 997 is beautifully well honed version from the previous era. In performance terms the 991.1 was quite a step on. My experience was that the front end of the 991 was no longer a thing to manage under steer was virtually non existent at track day pace and changing gear mid corner with virtually no risk of unsettling the car was a revelation.
Wether that’s as rewarding an experience as the 997.2 is something only you can answer as it really is more difficult to extract a time from. My personal desire for GT cars ended at the 997. For pure driving engagement the 996 is probably even better.
This is a really good description of the differences between the cars imo how what one values in a car/driving experience will be the main deciding factor between the 997 and 991 GT eras. Wether that’s as rewarding an experience as the 997.2 is something only you can answer as it really is more difficult to extract a time from. My personal desire for GT cars ended at the 997. For pure driving engagement the 996 is probably even better.
For me OP the first thing you have to decide which kind of gearbox you want....it’s such a massive part of the cars character and how it drives and is an incredibly personal choice. There is no right answer and the only person that can decide which is you. Once you’ve decided that you then have a different choice in my opinion....if it’s manual then the 997.2 RS and manual 991.2 GT3 are the cars to consider.....and if it’s PDK then you know where you’re money in going. Although I would stretch the 991.1 RS budget for a 991.2 RS.
Cheib said:
For me OP the first thing you have to decide which kind of gearbox you want....it’s such a massive part of the cars character and how it drives and is an incredibly personal choice. There is no right answer and the only person that can decide which is you. Once you’ve decided that you then have a different choice in my opinion....if it’s manual then the 997.2 RS and manual 991.2 GT3 are the cars to consider.....and if it’s PDK then you know where you’re money in going. Although I would stretch the 991.1 RS budget for a 991.2 RS.
Not entirely sure I'd necessarily agree with that tbh. The 991s are fundamentally very different cars from the ones that came before and that goes quite far beyond choice of gearbox. I'm not entirely certain at least for some people that the 991.2 manual gt3 necessarily will appeal to someone who is after what the 997.2 rs provides in terms of driving experience. And vice versa tbh for those who don't view gearbox choice as such a major differential and will prefer the 991s regardless of whether it's a dual clutch or manual. Cheib said:
For me OP the first thing you have to decide which kind of gearbox you want....it’s such a massive part of the cars character and how it drives and is an incredibly personal choice. There is no right answer and the only person that can decide which is you. Once you’ve decided that you then have a different choice in my opinion....if it’s manual then the 997.2 RS and manual 991.2 GT3 are the cars to consider.....and if it’s PDK then you know where you’re money in going. Although I would stretch the 991.1 RS budget for a 991.2 RS.
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