Should I Avoid this 991.1 GT3RS?

[F12DDE]

Been looking at a 991.1 GT3RS for sale over the past couple of days, It's the cheapest one on the market that is RHD, I really like the look of it, its only got 2 owners (never been a fan of buying a car with loads of owners - buyer would be the 3rd), the car is clean no issues (I like the Satin PPF, it looks aged in the flesh, but what can you expect for 4/5 year old PPF that's been on the car since new), on the higher end mileage wise but I'm personally not too fussed with that (cars are built to be used!) the main issue that really sticks out to me is that the vehicle is an import (Originally delivered to Porsche Hong Kong). I've spoke to the dealer, it was imported here to the UK around 2017/18 with 200 miles on the clock, and has been with the current owner since via the same Porsche specialist it's currently listed at, so each time the vehicle has been sold, it has been with this dealer. I've been informed that the only difference between a UK car and this is that the analogue speedo is in KM/H, but digital displays MP/H. It's always been serviced at Porsche on time, and in between Porsche services it has been serviced at said Porsche specialist, and comes with balance of Porsche warranty until mid next year.

There are a few other cars around the £150k price level, but not really a fan of the Yellow/Purple/Red cars, and the other White ones either have had 5+ owners and the other 1 has had an engine rebuild? (seems like a red flag to me). The Silver one is lovely but unfortunately only has comfort seats - I don't see the point of this in a GT3RS

I've never bought any car of this sort of value, so would like to get some views of people on here who have. Should it be avoided due to being an import and/or "high" mileage? Will I have issues trying to sell it on in the future? Any sort of advise would be appreciated (less sarcastic the better) as I am new to this sector of the market.

The 991 GT3RS is a dream car of mine, so would like to purchase one at some point - any general things that I should look out for would also be appreciated!

see Autotrader ad below:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202110018...

[Melvynr]

The Providence looks all above board and legit and wouldn't worry me , I would keep it in Porsche warranty for piece of mind.Mileage wouldn't bother me either, its actually about bang on the mark for average miles [4K per year].Love the houndstooth inserts as well.If you were not happy with the PPF , then you could get it taken off and have a nice detail done and then replaced if you wanted.
I think I would like the analogue dial in KPM as well and certainly would not worry me.

[Mad Scientist]

Personally think a UK supplied car is more desirable. There’s going to be a few coming along and some better prices with winter. I’d keep looking myself.

[Mankers]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109187...

I know the history on this one, UK car, well looked after.

[cslwannabe]

“Carrera” White ??. I’d go for the 2nd one based on that alone.

[Monch]

I know the owner of this white RS
Nothing wrong at all and RPM are one of the good guys

Ring RPM and talk it through with them
I’m sure you’ll be happy.

[cslwannabe]

My comment was tongue in cheek. I can be a pedantic bu99er at times, especially when places who should know better can’t get the colour right.

Lovely position to be in OP and good luck in your search.

[Flat0ut]

Personally I would go for a UK (C16) car as unless you plan to keep it for a long time you may have trouble / take a hit when you come to sell it.You will see UK C16 mentioned in the description of a lot of cars being sold by dealers (as a benefit even though the cars are virtually identical). It may have an impact on your insurance as well as the car is an 'import'.

Interesting re the engine rebuild - the RS was supposed to be immune from the engine problems suffered by the 991.1 GT3 but there seems to be some debate about this now over on Rennlist. Is this the Alexanders Prestige car - did they say why the engine was rebuilt?

On the plus side I see the 'worn' PPF as a bonus as a) the car obviously hasn't had any paint or accidents if it has been on since new and b) the paint will be like new underneath so you will have no stone chips. My GT3 was the same - white and 4 year old PPF looked bad but underneath it was mint.

[F12DDE]

Melvynr said:

The Providence looks all above board and legit and wouldn't worry me , I would keep it in Porsche warranty for piece of mind.Mileage wouldn't bother me either, its actually about bang on the mark for average miles [4K per year].Love the houndstooth inserts as well.If you were not happy with the PPF , then you could get it taken off and have a nice detail done and then replaced if you wanted.
I think I would like the analogue dial in KPM as well and certainly would not worry me.

I would definitely keep it in Porsche warranty when its time to renew, not worth it with a car of this value if you ask me! I love the spec on it, and like you say paintwork should be perfect under the PPF, so could get it redone spring time so that it takes the winter beating and fresh for summer! KPM speedo would be useful for Europe Main worry would be resale as i suspect it wouldn't be as easy to sell as a UK car once the time comes

[F12DDE]

Mad Scientist said:

Personally think a UK supplied car is more desirable. There’s going to be a few coming along and some better prices with winter. I’d keep looking myself.

That's the main thing I am worried about, when it comes to sell may take a while to shift, otherwise it's a lovely example!

[F12DDE]

Mankers said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109187...

I know the history on this one, UK car, well looked after.

Looks like a nice example, but I can't see myself driving a purple car Out of interest, how many owners has the car had if you know the History?

Edited by F12DDE on Wednesday 13th October 21:33

[F12DDE]

Monch said:

I know the owner of this white RS
Nothing wrong at all and RPM are one of the good guys

Ring RPM and talk it through with them
I’m sure you’ll be happy.

Been speaking to Greig for a little while, saw the car on Saturday and I am happy with it, nothing wrong with it and truly has been maintained regardless of cost, I'm just worried about when time would come to sell as its an import with "higher" milage, I feel it would take longer to shift unless I find someone like myself trying to get into the market at the "lower" end

[F12DDE]

Flat0ut said:

Personally I would go for a UK (C16) car as unless you plan to keep it for a long time you may have trouble / take a hit when you come to sell it.You will see UK C16 mentioned in the description of a lot of cars being sold by dealers (as a benefit even though the cars are virtually identical). It may have an impact on your insurance as well as the car is an 'import'.

Interesting re the engine rebuild - the RS was supposed to be immune from the engine problems suffered by the 991.1 GT3 but there seems to be some debate about this now over on Rennlist. Is this the Alexanders Prestige car - did they say why the engine was rebuilt?

On the plus side I see the 'worn' PPF as a bonus as a) the car obviously hasn't had any paint or accidents if it has been on since new and b) the paint will be like new underneath so you will have no stone chips. My GT3 was the same - white and 4 year old PPF looked bad but underneath it was mint.

This is my worry as well, probably going to keep the car for 18-24 months if I do get one, so wouldn't be a "long termer" but as I understand this seems like quite a long time once you get to cars of this sort of value. Thank you for pointing out the C16 mark, I've seen this in a few adverts but had no idea what it meant. Maybe it's better if I wait for a UK car?

The engine rebuild car was one that was listed with "Invictus Motors" - they also have an Orange/Red one listed for sale on Autotrader, but it looks like since I made the original post, they've taken the white one down - although as I am writing they still have it on their website. It was described with "this Porsche 911 991 GT3 RS is very unique as it had a new engine fitted by Porsche Centre Portsmouth in August 2018 due to a factory recall" The Alexander Prestige car doesn't say anything about an engine rebuild that I've seen, but I asked them how many owners it's had they replied with 5, so purchaser would be the 6th - which is too many for my liking with only 10k Miles

I also see the worn PPF as a plus as it means nothing has happened to the bodywork, purchaser could also way keep this on over winter and put some fresh PPF on in spring ready for Summer

[Mankers]

F12DDE said:

Mankers said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109187...

I know the history on this one, UK car, well looked after.

Looks like a nice example, but I can't see myself driving a purple car Out of interest, how many owners has the car had if you know the History?

Edited by F12DDE on Wednesday 13th October 21:33

2, first owner put about 1,000 - 2,000 on from memory. I know the second owner, been in the car, and driven on a few road trips with him. Never tracked. Full PPF.

Car meet this summer, mine is the black one on the left

Edited by Mankers on Wednesday 13th October 21:55

[Curv3hunter]

RPM have a good rep. Havent personally bought from them but Ive had good communication with them and only heard good things.
Im sure the car is a good one.

Personally though if it were me I would buy a C16 uk car. If it was a keeper and I had no intention of selling then I would be less bothered. If I thought I might potentially sell its going to narrow your market slightly when the time comes.

Purely based on what I paid recently for a C16 PTS 991 RS with similar miles and same owners. 2 year + Porsche warranty I would want to be paying less than 145k for a non UK car in white.
Prices may have gone up further in the last few weeks though so this might be good value.

[F12DDE]

Mankers said:

F12DDE said:

Mankers said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109187...

I know the history on this one, UK car, well looked after.

Looks like a nice example, but I can't see myself driving a purple car Out of interest, how many owners has the car had if you know the History?

Edited by F12DDE on Wednesday 13th October 21:33

2, first owner put about 1,000 - 2,000 on from memory. I know the second owner, been in the car, and driven on a few road trips with him. Never tracked. Full PPF.

Car meet this summer, mine is the black one on the left

Edited by Mankers on Wednesday 13th October 21:55

Think I actually may have come across the owner before, did he used to have an RS6 before by any chance? His number plate is how you could describe driving a car such as a GT3RS

Your black GT3 looks lovely also, although if it were me I would personally want the full "because race car" experience and get the RS - Not to say the standard GT3 isn't a good car though! Horses for courses and all that

[F12DDE]

Curv3hunter said:

RPM have a good rep. Havent personally bought from them but Ive had good communication with them and only heard good things.
Im sure the car is a good one.

Personally though if it were me I would buy a C16 uk car. If it was a keeper and I had no intention of selling then I would be less bothered. If I thought I might potentially sell its going to narrow your market slightly when the time comes.

Purely based on what I paid recently for a C16 PTS 991 RS with similar miles and same owners. 2 year + Porsche warranty I would want to be paying less than 145k for a non UK car in white.
Prices may have gone up further in the last few weeks though so this might be good value.

That's what I think I am going to do, wait for a UK car, I'm sure the right car will come up over the next couple of months with winter coming. Resale is pretty much the only think preventing me from buying the car.

RPM definitely must know their stuff, when they showed me their workshop they've got some serious Porsche machinery to work on round the back!

What PTS colour RS did you get? There's a Green one listed on Piston heads classifieds, but its not on Autotrader. Would love to buy it but it's too much money for myself , I'm looking at the lower end of the market.

[Mankers]

F12DDE said:

Mankers said:

F12DDE said:

Mankers said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202109187...

I know the history on this one, UK car, well looked after.

Looks like a nice example, but I can't see myself driving a purple car Out of interest, how many owners has the car had if you know the History?

Edited by F12DDE on Wednesday 13th October 21:33

2, first owner put about 1,000 - 2,000 on from memory. I know the second owner, been in the car, and driven on a few road trips with him. Never tracked. Full PPF.

Car meet this summer, mine is the black one on the left

Edited by Mankers on Wednesday 13th October 21:55

Think I actually may have come across the owner before, did he used to have an RS6 before by any chance? His number plate is how you could describe driving a car such as a GT3RS

Your black GT3 looks lovely also, although if it were me I would personally want the full "because race car" experience and get the RS - Not to say the standard GT3 isn't a good car though! Horses for courses and all that

Sounds about right. Both great cars, comfort for me though, disc issues in back

[Dr S]

If you want to keep the car longer-term I'd not worry about it being a non-UK car. I had a comparable situation with the used 7.2 RS I bought years back. It has OPC warranty, so where is the issue?

Re colour: I am guilty for liking white RS's. However, the UV one looks ace too. It's a colour that has grown a lot on my over time

[angelus666]

I'm just coming into the market for a 991.1 RS as well, so facing a similar dilemma to the OP. My feeling is to go with the lava orange one at Invictus, as it's the right colour in my opinion for this type of car. Does anyone know any of the history/previous owners on this car?