Base 992 Carrera 0-60 in 3.54 seconds. No Chrono.
Discussion
Another Youtube review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ
Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required?
I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road.
I was surprised about the price increase!
I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential?
What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it.
MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use.
I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles.
The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out.
As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once.
So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ
Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required?
I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road.
I was surprised about the price increase!
I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential?
What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it.
MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use.
I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles.
The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out.
As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once.
So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly.
Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 09:52
That's really interesting to hear.
It's generally the case on PH that we persuade ourselves more power is better, but the cars have got faster and the roads are no bigger and speed limits more enforced every year.
A base 911 looks exactly as good as an S and also benefits from the slightly larger more compliant sidewalls to improve the ride. I'd bet it's the best variety for long distance touring and daily use.
It's generally the case on PH that we persuade ourselves more power is better, but the cars have got faster and the roads are no bigger and speed limits more enforced every year.
A base 911 looks exactly as good as an S and also benefits from the slightly larger more compliant sidewalls to improve the ride. I'd bet it's the best variety for long distance touring and daily use.
politeperson said:
Another Youtube review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ
Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required?
I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road.
I was surprised about the price increase!
I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential?
What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it.
MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use.
I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles.
The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out.
As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once.
So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly.
great shot from this 992, looks good and amazed its that fast, a plus as well, looks almost like a GT3 touring, nice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ
Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required?
I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road.
I was surprised about the price increase!
I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential?
What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it.
MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use.
I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles.
The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out.
As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once.
So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly.
Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 09:52
Many thanks for the overview and assurance on the 992. I thought 4 tyres would have been much more? I started thinking I would have a base 911, but got swept up and will shortly take delivery of a 4 GTS Cab, minus sport PASM. Primarily because I am in Germany for 2 years and the autobhan demands power, if you are that way inclined!
Thanks,
I got on the track at the Le Mans Classic. When the pace car had vanished around the corner our group stopped. We were like a group of naughty schoolboys waiting to see what we could get up to before we caught him up. 168 mph was the answer, she still seemed to have plenty left but I bottled it.
This guy seems to have got a bit more on the Autobahn, 290kph on his GPS and a bit left. Thats quick enough for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DApiyICplg
AutoTopNL, great channel.
This was a good journey. Limoges to Lincs.
I was trying to explain to someone the other day how difficult it is to average 100km/h for 10 hours on the roads! I got 4 tickets.
I got on the track at the Le Mans Classic. When the pace car had vanished around the corner our group stopped. We were like a group of naughty schoolboys waiting to see what we could get up to before we caught him up. 168 mph was the answer, she still seemed to have plenty left but I bottled it.
This guy seems to have got a bit more on the Autobahn, 290kph on his GPS and a bit left. Thats quick enough for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DApiyICplg
AutoTopNL, great channel.
This was a good journey. Limoges to Lincs.
I was trying to explain to someone the other day how difficult it is to average 100km/h for 10 hours on the roads! I got 4 tickets.
Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 20:27
Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 20:29
Yep, that’s a well used Carrera. I’m really glad you’re enjoying so much. I’ve had a go at the PEC and enjoyed it much more than the 4S.
The ‘what is enough power’ argument will always rage on. The 0-60 is so heavily influenced by the traction and gearbox, so the PDK comes into its own. On the road it makes the car so much quicker in the day to day situations.
Still, I prefer a manual. I can’t race it off the line as there’s way too much drama to be socially acceptable and my clutch wouldn’t last long. Being a 991.2 it has the same engine, but with the exhaust and map it’s now 480lbFt and 506bhp. The latter number isn’t important as it’s the torque that gives the punch and makes the use of 2nd and 3rd a joy on the right roads. The standard suspension works on our pot holed roads, but I found the brakes needed upgrading and a good diff needed.
So, I agree that the basic car is up to the job, but I felt the engine was asthmatic and have found it to be transformed with the work. I’ve also had the opportunity to drive a 992 GT3 with a manual. There a few people who use it properly (on track), but not the majority and hence they trade ownership so frequently. The much fabled engine feels weak when coming from a turbo car and for me it just doesn’t work on the roads I use. With the manual it’s hard to keep it singing as you need to keep it in a very narrow power band at the top end of the rev range. It’s just a bit out of reach and frustrating, so I feel it needs to be used on track. At least then, there’s a chance to also get the myriad of driver aids working for you. PDCC, RWS etc do nothing to increase driver enjoyment of a road car. I wonder if the PDK would help get the most out of the engine more frequently on the road?
I did see a little clip of an early 911. It listed all the mod cons that it didn’t have and then boasted about having PRVDP. Porsche real visceral driving pleasure. Some of that still gets through, but I think it requires a bit of thought about personal requirements before deciding which model to opt for. It seems that you made the correct choice!
The ‘what is enough power’ argument will always rage on. The 0-60 is so heavily influenced by the traction and gearbox, so the PDK comes into its own. On the road it makes the car so much quicker in the day to day situations.
Still, I prefer a manual. I can’t race it off the line as there’s way too much drama to be socially acceptable and my clutch wouldn’t last long. Being a 991.2 it has the same engine, but with the exhaust and map it’s now 480lbFt and 506bhp. The latter number isn’t important as it’s the torque that gives the punch and makes the use of 2nd and 3rd a joy on the right roads. The standard suspension works on our pot holed roads, but I found the brakes needed upgrading and a good diff needed.
So, I agree that the basic car is up to the job, but I felt the engine was asthmatic and have found it to be transformed with the work. I’ve also had the opportunity to drive a 992 GT3 with a manual. There a few people who use it properly (on track), but not the majority and hence they trade ownership so frequently. The much fabled engine feels weak when coming from a turbo car and for me it just doesn’t work on the roads I use. With the manual it’s hard to keep it singing as you need to keep it in a very narrow power band at the top end of the rev range. It’s just a bit out of reach and frustrating, so I feel it needs to be used on track. At least then, there’s a chance to also get the myriad of driver aids working for you. PDCC, RWS etc do nothing to increase driver enjoyment of a road car. I wonder if the PDK would help get the most out of the engine more frequently on the road?
I did see a little clip of an early 911. It listed all the mod cons that it didn’t have and then boasted about having PRVDP. Porsche real visceral driving pleasure. Some of that still gets through, but I think it requires a bit of thought about personal requirements before deciding which model to opt for. It seems that you made the correct choice!
The car has had whatever it has needed. Porsche Nottingham service my car, apart from the major service recently, it has just need oil and filters, so £350 a go seems about right for £80 worth of oil. My local tyre guys were much cheaper then Porsche for the correct tyres. What else is their to do apart from inspect everything? It hasn't cost that much more than any of our other cars . So it is on its 4th sump of oil now and does not drink any between changes.
I chose Adventurine Green and retro silver side stickers. The cost of the car was just under £85k. The standard equipment list is pretty full really.
The brakes are still in good condition with little scoring and about 50% of the pads are left. The wheels are still in as new condition with no brake dust pitting or kerb damage.
I have pressed the Sport button once. I cant say it does much. If you are pushing on the car senses the drivers input and changes character without having to press any buttons. If you are driving on a light to medium throttle the Sport just seems to select a lower gear for longer, say in town. That might fool some into thinking the car has been somehow transformed, but I think its just the same really.
Driving in PDK, I rarely use the paddles either. Only changing down into a tight bend maybe, to help engine braking. Prior to overtaking, if you blip the throttle lightly the car will change down a cog or 2 before you peg it, without having to press any other buttons.
I must admit, one of the reasons I went for the C2 was all the rave about the "pure" driving experience of the early 2.0l air cooled cars. Not sure it has a great deal in common with them. Looks a bit the same I suppose?
I chose Adventurine Green and retro silver side stickers. The cost of the car was just under £85k. The standard equipment list is pretty full really.
The brakes are still in good condition with little scoring and about 50% of the pads are left. The wheels are still in as new condition with no brake dust pitting or kerb damage.
I have pressed the Sport button once. I cant say it does much. If you are pushing on the car senses the drivers input and changes character without having to press any buttons. If you are driving on a light to medium throttle the Sport just seems to select a lower gear for longer, say in town. That might fool some into thinking the car has been somehow transformed, but I think its just the same really.
Driving in PDK, I rarely use the paddles either. Only changing down into a tight bend maybe, to help engine braking. Prior to overtaking, if you blip the throttle lightly the car will change down a cog or 2 before you peg it, without having to press any other buttons.
I must admit, one of the reasons I went for the C2 was all the rave about the "pure" driving experience of the early 2.0l air cooled cars. Not sure it has a great deal in common with them. Looks a bit the same I suppose?
Edited by politeperson on Monday 3rd July 08:38
Super looking car and obviously getting well used…I’m also interested in tyre costs …my 991 gts recently cost me £1400 (20inch P Zero’s) for a set and that’s from Black Circles . A while ago I had a base 997 and would agree even then the car had “enough” of every thing. Is your car now due replacement or are you happy to run it for a few more “free ish” years. Cheers.
Great story OP. That's plenty of miles (!) but highly enjoyable ones by the sound of it. I'm not a great fan of the 992's design but yours looks good from that angle.
I agree with you re performance and the ability to use it. I have 370 horses in my 991.2 and, like you, it's rare to need more than half of them. I know the cooking 911 engine is a 3.0 turbo (with all that is said to entail) but I think it's a cracking power plant.
I agree with you re performance and the ability to use it. I have 370 horses in my 991.2 and, like you, it's rare to need more than half of them. I know the cooking 911 engine is a 3.0 turbo (with all that is said to entail) but I think it's a cracking power plant.
Just back from camping at Le Mans classic.
Had mine since November just ticked over 4000 miles.
Poverty spec plus roof, lights, 14 way seats. No chrono, no sports exhaust.
Loving it, have driven it very enthusiastically a lot, never thought it needed more power or grip
When I first went to order one it was to be a Turbo S, swmbo insisted I at least drove others and gave it some thought, never regretted the decision.
Had mine since November just ticked over 4000 miles.
Poverty spec plus roof, lights, 14 way seats. No chrono, no sports exhaust.
Loving it, have driven it very enthusiastically a lot, never thought it needed more power or grip
When I first went to order one it was to be a Turbo S, swmbo insisted I at least drove others and gave it some thought, never regretted the decision.
Great review OP, kudos to you for driving it and putting the miles on it Sir! 
I've had my 992 GTS since Sept last year and have done two epic Euro Road Trips in it so far.
Whilst I love my 992 GTS, I think I would have had just as much fun in the Base 992 Carrera. They're all so much quicker than the figures suggest! (All variants I should add). And therefore, a Base Carrera is more than enough in all honesty.
Pleased to hear in 50k miles nothing major has needed doing and seems like only regular servicing and maintenance is all that has been required.
I've had my 992 GTS since Sept last year and have done two epic Euro Road Trips in it so far.
Whilst I love my 992 GTS, I think I would have had just as much fun in the Base 992 Carrera. They're all so much quicker than the figures suggest! (All variants I should add). And therefore, a Base Carrera is more than enough in all honesty.
Pleased to hear in 50k miles nothing major has needed doing and seems like only regular servicing and maintenance is all that has been required.
Interesting write up thanks for sharing.
I’ve had an approved (late 2019) 992 C2S for 3 months, 3k miles and love the thing! It does have sport chrono and PSE and I frequently use sport plus (find sport a bit showy with the silly pops) and what I call the “stabbed rat button” ie. Sport response which is great fun. I also like the ability to set the individual mode via the dial. I did test drive a base Carrera without chrono before settling on the C2S but the S just had that bit more go. The base Carrera was excellent though. As for the PDK it’s a great gearbox; I just wish they made the paddles larger and more usable as they are far too small. I only use them to force the box into 8th after a blast up to motorway speed. MPG is great too on a run, see pic although it was a boring drive!
I’ve had an approved (late 2019) 992 C2S for 3 months, 3k miles and love the thing! It does have sport chrono and PSE and I frequently use sport plus (find sport a bit showy with the silly pops) and what I call the “stabbed rat button” ie. Sport response which is great fun. I also like the ability to set the individual mode via the dial. I did test drive a base Carrera without chrono before settling on the C2S but the S just had that bit more go. The base Carrera was excellent though. As for the PDK it’s a great gearbox; I just wish they made the paddles larger and more usable as they are far too small. I only use them to force the box into 8th after a blast up to motorway speed. MPG is great too on a run, see pic although it was a boring drive!
Edited by 9k rpm on Monday 3rd July 22:42
Edited by 9k rpm on Monday 3rd July 22:59
i had a 992 gts for a short time. I HATED the ride on UK roads. Completely wooden. It had the standard PASM -10mm which i would delete if i had to do it again.
The very interesting about Joe is that he drove the GTS recently and came to the same conclusion as me: too compromised a ride and FAR TOO MUCH TYRE ROAR coming into the cabin.
What really caught my attention is -according to him- how much quieter and fluid the base 992 was. He had a fair bi to say about the latest PS4's..
I really want to drive one and judge for myself.
Maybe this is the car to make me fall in love with 911s again? I have not had that feeling since i sold my 964 c2 and 993 c2s nearly 10 years ago.
The very interesting about Joe is that he drove the GTS recently and came to the same conclusion as me: too compromised a ride and FAR TOO MUCH TYRE ROAR coming into the cabin.
What really caught my attention is -according to him- how much quieter and fluid the base 992 was. He had a fair bi to say about the latest PS4's..
I really want to drive one and judge for myself.
Maybe this is the car to make me fall in love with 911s again? I have not had that feeling since i sold my 964 c2 and 993 c2s nearly 10 years ago.
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