GT4 to 'RS too...
Discussion
Well I've made my mind up.
As many will know I have massively over-serviced whilst regularly tracking and modifying my 981 GT4 which was one of the very first cars with the advantage of the splined third gear. I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey and have deliberately kept all the original components that have been exchanged ... but after eight+ years I felt that it was time for a change.
I had always thought that the logical next step was a GT4RS ... the car that Porsche would never sell me, once secondhand prices dropped down towards list prices. Before Christmas this had happened and dealers were very keen to close a cash sale before the end of the year and I came whisker close to buying a red GT4RS at Porsche Edinburgh who were very straight with me, but ...
1. Even at list price the car was £25k over the new car that I would have specified for myself
2. I do have some hearing loss and I worried about exacerbating this in a GT4RS
3. The GT4RS still has limitations with the rear suspension when compared to a GT3 ... and it also has limited down force, ... I want more in the next experience of my track car ownership
4. Build numbers / residuals ... are they still going to build 7000 of them ?
So I went hunting with the negotiating advantage of the December deadline ... 992 GT3 (?) ... I didn't like the less traditional interior ... and there are so many around / residuals ... manual would be nice but maybe not on an even faster track car ... 992 GT3RS (?) not an option for so many reasons ... so no to the 992.
Next up was the 991.2 GT3 RS ... very few around without Weissach which I didn't want, but I managed to find a one owner 2018 non-Weissach car with one owner, full OPC service history, 7500 miles and front tyres dated week 40 / 18. Even better it carried the approved warranty which extended this to June 2026 and all the other advantages of an approved car ... new tyres / service / mot etc.
It was an SOR car and the original owner and the OPC were amazing in helping me to make it happen with a committed deposit on the 30th December and completion mid January once my source investments had been liquidated ... hopefully earlier.
This should keep me happy and out of trouble for another eight years when hopefully I won't be in line for an upgrade to an off-road wheelchair ??
Question ... what to do with my modified GT4 ? Surely not to return it to standard ?
The journey in full ....
As many will know I have massively over-serviced whilst regularly tracking and modifying my 981 GT4 which was one of the very first cars with the advantage of the splined third gear. I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey and have deliberately kept all the original components that have been exchanged ... but after eight+ years I felt that it was time for a change.
I had always thought that the logical next step was a GT4RS ... the car that Porsche would never sell me, once secondhand prices dropped down towards list prices. Before Christmas this had happened and dealers were very keen to close a cash sale before the end of the year and I came whisker close to buying a red GT4RS at Porsche Edinburgh who were very straight with me, but ...
1. Even at list price the car was £25k over the new car that I would have specified for myself
2. I do have some hearing loss and I worried about exacerbating this in a GT4RS
3. The GT4RS still has limitations with the rear suspension when compared to a GT3 ... and it also has limited down force, ... I want more in the next experience of my track car ownership
4. Build numbers / residuals ... are they still going to build 7000 of them ?
So I went hunting with the negotiating advantage of the December deadline ... 992 GT3 (?) ... I didn't like the less traditional interior ... and there are so many around / residuals ... manual would be nice but maybe not on an even faster track car ... 992 GT3RS (?) not an option for so many reasons ... so no to the 992.
Next up was the 991.2 GT3 RS ... very few around without Weissach which I didn't want, but I managed to find a one owner 2018 non-Weissach car with one owner, full OPC service history, 7500 miles and front tyres dated week 40 / 18. Even better it carried the approved warranty which extended this to June 2026 and all the other advantages of an approved car ... new tyres / service / mot etc.
It was an SOR car and the original owner and the OPC were amazing in helping me to make it happen with a committed deposit on the 30th December and completion mid January once my source investments had been liquidated ... hopefully earlier.
This should keep me happy and out of trouble for another eight years when hopefully I won't be in line for an upgrade to an off-road wheelchair ??
Question ... what to do with my modified GT4 ? Surely not to return it to standard ?
The journey in full ....
ImbackYo said:
Thats some advert.....
It's a question before I can think about selling it ... to sell as modified or to return it to standard and sell the bits ?The only thing I probably wouldn't change is the engine tune and the revised gearing and lightweight clutch and flywheel ... revised gearing herewith as previously posted:
ChrisW. said:
It's a question before I can think about selling it ... to sell as modified or to return it to standard and sell the bits ?
The only thing I probably wouldn't change is the engine tune and the revised gearing and lightweight clutch and flywheel ...
I think you've got to try to see if it can go as a built car + all the original bits as part of the package - as you don't need/want to be just hosting those spares if they are no good to you. The only thing I probably wouldn't change is the engine tune and the revised gearing and lightweight clutch and flywheel ...
Tricky thing as ever, will be pricing, as you know the build cost - but you aren't going to be able to reclaim a lot of that in this market tbh... You have to look at the comparables... RPM Technik have a 718 GT4 Clubsport with LWFW + revised gearing, an aftermarket exhaust and MR arm kit now down to 89k - and that has been there for 6months.
Also are you sure-sure you want to let it go?
Thanks T ...
The new car has an OPC warranty until 6/26 which I'd rather like to retain. There is nothing wrong with the steel brakes but let's see how long they last ?
The F1R wheels would I imagine be quite an easy sale if somebody wanted the cheapest car ... and I do have the original PCCB's with 9000 miles on them which could go back on the car.
The alternative could be to let the 944 Turbo Cup go ... but there is something really lovely about that ... I do ask myself if it might be fun to run the two side by side making it easier to keep the GT3 completely standard which is really what I should do.
Everybody worries about modified cars because they have been modified for a reason ... all I can say is that with 34,000 miles on the clock the car rarely has more than 200ml of oil added between 3000-4000 mile oil changes and the DFI engine is renowned in the GT4 Clubsports for running three years racing and being stripped to discover only that there was nothing to do ...
I guess it will be very interesting to get opinions on all this ... in Germany there are no such hang-ups !
The new car has an OPC warranty until 6/26 which I'd rather like to retain. There is nothing wrong with the steel brakes but let's see how long they last ?
The F1R wheels would I imagine be quite an easy sale if somebody wanted the cheapest car ... and I do have the original PCCB's with 9000 miles on them which could go back on the car.
The alternative could be to let the 944 Turbo Cup go ... but there is something really lovely about that ... I do ask myself if it might be fun to run the two side by side making it easier to keep the GT3 completely standard which is really what I should do.
Everybody worries about modified cars because they have been modified for a reason ... all I can say is that with 34,000 miles on the clock the car rarely has more than 200ml of oil added between 3000-4000 mile oil changes and the DFI engine is renowned in the GT4 Clubsports for running three years racing and being stripped to discover only that there was nothing to do ...
I guess it will be very interesting to get opinions on all this ... in Germany there are no such hang-ups !
Your price will be very interesting to me owner of a 28k 981 GT4 Manthey Racing registered conversion (MR wing, KW suspension, brake lines, seats) - Cargraphics headers, Akra exhaust system and Dundon intake.
I too have kept all my bits but I fear Chris that a buyer will still see a £70k ceiling on our cars.....so maybe back to standard - STs on the GT3 RS and sell the other parts to another track rat, the suspension itself is awesome.
R
I too have kept all my bits but I fear Chris that a buyer will still see a £70k ceiling on our cars.....so maybe back to standard - STs on the GT3 RS and sell the other parts to another track rat, the suspension itself is awesome.
R
isaldiri said:
Actually, wouldn't you just move your existing ST rotors to the new 3rs (is it a pccb car btw or steels as your post implies?) and fit the 'old' original ceramics back to the gt4 when selling?
This is what i’d do. Not sure of the cost to change the bells/hats for 3RS fitment. But surely worthwhile looking at. But really it doesn’t really ‘need’ anything, just a nice alignment and good to go. Save the rest of money for actually running the damn thing lol.
I told a lie…
If the car didnt have OEM Porsche Mag wheels, i’d also splurge for a second of wheels… namely Manthey/BBS WEC Mag Forged.
I much prefer these to the OEM Mag wheel… WEC wheel has a slightly beefier design… and I’d prioritise these over doing a steel to ST conversion in the first instance, and just do pads, fluid and lines.
If the car didnt have OEM Porsche Mag wheels, i’d also splurge for a second of wheels… namely Manthey/BBS WEC Mag Forged.
I much prefer these to the OEM Mag wheel… WEC wheel has a slightly beefier design… and I’d prioritise these over doing a steel to ST conversion in the first instance, and just do pads, fluid and lines.
The discs fit, it's just the cost of the bells for centre-locks and possibly the odd spacer ... from a warranty perspective the discs can just be replaced when the car goes in to the OPC ...
Regarding mags .. an 11.2kilo weight saving but at what ? cost ???
F1r's saved this at a cost of around £8k from memory ...
Good suggestions ... thanks.
Regarding mags .. an 11.2kilo weight saving but at what ? cost ???
F1r's saved this at a cost of around £8k from memory ...
Good suggestions ... thanks.
Chris all this talk and no pics,come on,congrats.I hope you jell better with your rs than i did with my rswp etc.
Why do folk fall to changing brake lines,dampers ,mag wheels etc for street cars unless competing,or you just want to spend on it,great marketing going on.
Just have a good geo on it,good tyres and enjoy it,and dont mess around with it
Why do folk fall to changing brake lines,dampers ,mag wheels etc for street cars unless competing,or you just want to spend on it,great marketing going on.
Just have a good geo on it,good tyres and enjoy it,and dont mess around with it
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