991.1 GT3RS - good value
Discussion
Coxey said:
What's the issue with the engines? I thought it was the GT3 engines?
991 was the first GT3 to use an engine derived from the “normal” engine, as opposed to the Mezger designed unit from 996/7. There have been a fair few reported failures and full replacements from Porsche. Apparently the latest revision - I want to say labelled G6 - is much more reliable and essentially contains all of the fixes that were included in the 991.2 GT3 engine.
bobthemonkey said:
991 was the first GT3 to use an engine derived from the normal engine, as opposed to the Mezger designed unit from 996/7.
There have been a fair few reported failures and full replacements from Porsche. Apparently the latest revision - I want to say labelled G6 - is much more reliable and essentially contains all of the fixes that were included in the 991.2 GT3 engine.
The g6 991.1gt3 might be more reliable (and it better be....) but it can't and won't contain 'all the fixes included in the .2gt3 engine'.There have been a fair few reported failures and full replacements from Porsche. Apparently the latest revision - I want to say labelled G6 - is much more reliable and essentially contains all of the fixes that were included in the 991.2 GT3 engine.
fridaypassion said:
Coxey said:
Oh
A 718 GT4 is far superior you could also get an RS for the same money no brainer to me. Don't believe the hype with this generation RS they are slow and pretty boring to drive. I could say that most Porsche owners would be very surprised to discover just how nice some Mclarens are to own ... and no more expensive now to run than Porsche. Ask Harry Metcalf what he thinks of his 650S ...
Maybe it also depends upon usage. Yes you can tour in a GT4RS but would you choose to ?? It is what it is ... Porsche did not design it to be a GT3RS.
I remember when the 991 RS was launched and I would have ordered one (in that purple color with silver rims), had I not missed the call by the OPC while being in hospital after having crashed my car (my inclination to call back a few days later to order a new car was somewhat reduced at that time, slot would have been gone anyway). I think they look great, but have never driven one.
isaldiri said:
And that's a counter opinion from someone who is invested in a 991 3rs...
Yes it is ... but I didn't say that the GT3RS is a better car than the GT4RS and I didn't say that either was an absolutely awful car ...The original question was whether or not the 991.1 GT3RS is good value ? Is it ?
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd August 10:38
Engines letting go are not unknown on GT4 RS and 992 RS either mind you, Porsche are getting better at hiding it though. I heard direct from one owner that if news of his engine implosion found its way onto social media or the forums he would be black listed from purchasing any more "halo" products.
PRO5T said:
Engines letting go are not unknown on GT4 RS and 992 RS either mind you, Porsche are getting better at hiding it though. I heard direct from one owner that if news of his engine implosion found its way onto social media or the forums he would be black listed from purchasing any more "halo" products.
Without doubt Porsche are masters at deceiving everyone one that there cars are built proof.ChrisW. said:
Well, that is one person's opinion who is invested in a 718 GT4RS. I agree a great car, but certainly not an exclusively great car ... take a look at what the press have said (though the 981GT4 did just beat the 991.1 GT3RS in the 2015 ? ECOTY to second place ???)
I could say that most Porsche owners would be very surprised to discover just how nice some Mclarens are to own ... and no more expensive now to run than Porsche. Ask Harry Metcalf what he thinks of his 650S ...
Maybe it also depends upon usage. Yes you can tour in a GT4RS but would you choose to ?? It is what it is ... Porsche did not design it to be a GT3RS.
Hmmm I'm not really invested in any car to be honest and I have no ego about binning a car I bought and thought was pants like the 991RS. The GT4RS as we are all figuring out is a pretty deeply flawed car out of the box the suspension is pretty terrible but there is a halo car hiding in there somewhere. I have my DSC controller in now I'll add a post on the other thread. I could say that most Porsche owners would be very surprised to discover just how nice some Mclarens are to own ... and no more expensive now to run than Porsche. Ask Harry Metcalf what he thinks of his 650S ...
Maybe it also depends upon usage. Yes you can tour in a GT4RS but would you choose to ?? It is what it is ... Porsche did not design it to be a GT3RS.
Press coverage around Porsches is weird. I think we all know Evo were on the payroll it was a running joke about them winning ECOTY they lavished praise on almost every car. They were definitely adept at handling journos back in the day. I view the 981 GT4 as a pretty dull car as well having had 2 albeit they passed through my business.
Detailed run down on the 991RS for me and I am quite bitter about this as it was a poster car for me and cost me £150k and it was a really very poor car I thought.
Its slow. Too tall gearing.
It has about 300 BHP until you get to 7k and the 500BHP is inaccessible so you just have a slow show car for the road. Is it 90 in second or something?
Rear steer - I HATED this it just made the car feel weird and doing overtakes would make the car feel unstable.
Noise - rubbish inside the car sounds fab outside for everyone else though.
The steering was good though which again because the press coverage around P cars is always weird this seemed to be an area they were allowed to criticise but was actually incredibly good for an electric setup. The 718 is even better still with Lotus rivalling feel (need to get them with PCCB) The ride quality was also very good but again an "allowed" area of comment for the press. Stupid fake gearbox clunky noises were a bit annoying after a time.
I had it on track it was quick enough but just one of those cars that drives itself around really. At least we got to stretch the gearbox a bit.
Re other cars I've had a 600LT it blows all of the Porsche stuff into the weeds its twice the car of the 991 RS and levels above the 4RS. I had 2.5 mega years in mine with no issues. I just dropped into the 4RS for something that was a bit cheaper to run and for the road it's not as license loosie as the McLaren and also attracts less unwanted attention. The Supercar thing is a box I've been privileged to tick but wouldn't be bothered about revisiting well maybe a 458. For balance I drove an F8 tributo and nearly fell asleep behind the wheel it was so dull. Drove an Aventador and almost gave myself a hernia laughing about just how utterly awful that car is on every level.
I really wanted to like the 991 but I gave it 3 months and it had to go it just wasn't for me and I know these things can be subjective but for me theres way too much praise lumped onto Porsche cars generally although I massively respect a lot of peoples views including you ChrisW I do think there "they are a bit pants" side of the discussion is not heard often enough everyone just assumes they are awesome based on Evo's extremely biased reviews and of course you do get people e like with any car that buy the car and have it as a hill to die on that its the best thing ever. I'm really not like that I've had all sorts and I would say the best car of them all isn't even a supercar...it's the Lotus Exige S2.
I really enjoy the owner reviews and it's a sure thing that we are all different.
One of the things I really admire Porsche for is (in general) the attention they pay to making them a reliable car to use on track ... and therefore almost bomb proof for those who use them on the road.
Of course a naturally aspirated engine will be low on torque in the mid range where it's been tuned for maximum power and howl at high revs ... the mid range of the GT4 being easily tuneable to that of the GT3 but 50bhp short at the top of the rev range ... hence we rave about "that engine"
For you the noise of the GT3 inside is a disappointment, for me the noise inside of the GT4RS could be a penance with my tinnitus (which most of the time I can ignore until reminded what an intrusion it can be).
As for the RWS, there are times when I find it extremely useful. For example at Cadwell Park where coming through Hall Bends in the wet one is normally obliged to take the left hand side of the track for the right hand Hairpin that follows ... accepting the risk of the tail wagging the dog under braking. With RWS it's much easier to brake late and straight on the abs (ending up on the right hand side of the circuit), then hooking the car round Hairpin ... almost like Shelloils in the wet at Oulton Park.
Thanks for taking the trouble to explain ... all good stuff !
One of the things I really admire Porsche for is (in general) the attention they pay to making them a reliable car to use on track ... and therefore almost bomb proof for those who use them on the road.
Of course a naturally aspirated engine will be low on torque in the mid range where it's been tuned for maximum power and howl at high revs ... the mid range of the GT4 being easily tuneable to that of the GT3 but 50bhp short at the top of the rev range ... hence we rave about "that engine"
For you the noise of the GT3 inside is a disappointment, for me the noise inside of the GT4RS could be a penance with my tinnitus (which most of the time I can ignore until reminded what an intrusion it can be).
As for the RWS, there are times when I find it extremely useful. For example at Cadwell Park where coming through Hall Bends in the wet one is normally obliged to take the left hand side of the track for the right hand Hairpin that follows ... accepting the risk of the tail wagging the dog under braking. With RWS it's much easier to brake late and straight on the abs (ending up on the right hand side of the circuit), then hooking the car round Hairpin ... almost like Shelloils in the wet at Oulton Park.
Thanks for taking the trouble to explain ... all good stuff !
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