With intro of the GT4, how does that impact other models?
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As has been said - no impact. It's the introduction of the GTS that might well impact your/my S. The future impact of the flat 4 is likely to affect us more. If it is not well received (and it won't be to some) then it might help our (and base 981) secondhand values, particularly if this happens relatively soon so that there aren't so many 981 6 cylinders around.
It's an interesting one, because for me the GT3 has more distance between the regular model and so isn't comparable:
- Shorter gearing (not ideal for motorway cruising)
- Jiggly ride
- Loss of rear seats
- Less sound proofing / worse NVH
- Not a full range of options available
- Unlikely to feel comfortable parking it in your average city centre
However, as people have proven, the GT3 can be a 'daily', especially if you're not doing many miles.
With the Cayman / GT4 though, it doesn't have shorter gearing and it never had rear seats! Therefore, it's a much tougher call. However, for me, (and i'm only 30!) i could not do my usual 1,500 miles a month in a car with a GT3/GT4 ride. A couple of times in the GT3 i've had to make a pistop to have a pee; and i couldn't be dealing with that every day. I would also not park a GT3/GT4 on the road - where i often have to. Moreover, i like to keep special cars for special occasions.
- Shorter gearing (not ideal for motorway cruising)
- Jiggly ride
- Loss of rear seats
- Less sound proofing / worse NVH
- Not a full range of options available
- Unlikely to feel comfortable parking it in your average city centre
However, as people have proven, the GT3 can be a 'daily', especially if you're not doing many miles.
With the Cayman / GT4 though, it doesn't have shorter gearing and it never had rear seats! Therefore, it's a much tougher call. However, for me, (and i'm only 30!) i could not do my usual 1,500 miles a month in a car with a GT3/GT4 ride. A couple of times in the GT3 i've had to make a pistop to have a pee; and i couldn't be dealing with that every day. I would also not park a GT3/GT4 on the road - where i often have to. Moreover, i like to keep special cars for special occasions.
Nobody apart from the roughly 150 people (who already have their order confirmed) will be able to buy a GT4 so it will have zero affect on Cayman S/GTS.
Cayman GTS will have negative affect on the S, as it has nothing but benefits over the S. Better spec, better looking etc and for roughly the same price as a well specced S.
Cayman GTS will have negative affect on the S, as it has nothing but benefits over the S. Better spec, better looking etc and for roughly the same price as a well specced S.
Koln-RS said:
If it's good, and the motoring journos are salivating over it, then it will become the latest 'must have', new kid on the block, and may well hurt GT3 values.
Almost every new car gets overrated by the press on introduction (nothing to do with the wining and dining in some exotic location, I'm sure) It's only a few months later when the "buts" and "apart froms" and "despites" surface and you get a more balanced picture.Koln-RS said:
If it's good, and the motoring journos are salivating over it, then it will become the latest 'must have', new kid on the block, and may well hurt GT3 values.
They are and will salivate over it but unless they start building more GT3's then I cant see that happening and even if they do it may mean some 991 Gt3's come back closer to the original purchase price point where you will find more buyers. In the main however you'll find people either want a GT3 or a GT4DMC2 said:
Nobody apart from the roughly 150 people (who already have their order confirmed) will be able to buy a GT4 so it will have zero affect on Cayman S/GTS.
Cayman GTS will have negative affect on the S, as it has nothing but benefits over the S. Better spec, better looking etc and for roughly the same price as a well specced S.
The GTS isn't a model, let's face it. It's a 'Buy 2, Get 1 Free' deal' - a way of Porsche giving a discount on their expensive options list without really admitting it.Cayman GTS will have negative affect on the S, as it has nothing but benefits over the S. Better spec, better looking etc and for roughly the same price as a well specced S.
This chain is all about speculation, but fun to speculate, in my personal view I agree with the earlier point made in this chain, I say this as a GTS owner
1. B2b factory standards the GTS is a better car than the S so it will hurt S prices over time
3. There is not enough gap between the GT4 and GTS so this will prevent the GTS achieving its full potential as a residual over time
4. If anything the introduction of the GT4 will help over time the standard Cayman as there is more daylight in range (maybe not in price but ease to shift)
5. Given the GT4 is track focused I believe the GTS residual will not be heavily impacted, if anything the GT3 is at risk (i.e. ppl trying to pickup a GT3 2nd hand)
6. If next year the pot4 is announced as part of the Gen 2 refresh (which I don't expect tbh just yet) then this would again most benefit the GTS and GT4
Personally I love the look of the GT4 and doubt the hype is just hype. Infact I think it will go on to be a very special, rare-ish and converted car overtime. You only have to look at the Cayman R prices still today to validate this potential.
1. B2b factory standards the GTS is a better car than the S so it will hurt S prices over time
3. There is not enough gap between the GT4 and GTS so this will prevent the GTS achieving its full potential as a residual over time
4. If anything the introduction of the GT4 will help over time the standard Cayman as there is more daylight in range (maybe not in price but ease to shift)
5. Given the GT4 is track focused I believe the GTS residual will not be heavily impacted, if anything the GT3 is at risk (i.e. ppl trying to pickup a GT3 2nd hand)
6. If next year the pot4 is announced as part of the Gen 2 refresh (which I don't expect tbh just yet) then this would again most benefit the GTS and GT4
Personally I love the look of the GT4 and doubt the hype is just hype. Infact I think it will go on to be a very special, rare-ish and converted car overtime. You only have to look at the Cayman R prices still today to validate this potential.
DMC2 said:
Nobody apart from the roughly 150 people (who already have their order confirmed) will be able to buy a GT4.
Nobody knows for sure that they'll get a car. I'm within the top 5 at my OPC, had an LOI in for a while, paid my deposit and submitted my spec. I'm hopeful of getting a car but really I don't know for sure. hondansx said:
The GTS isn't a model, let's face it. It's a 'Buy 2, Get 1 Free' deal' - a way of Porsche giving a discount on their expensive options list without really admitting it.
I absolutely agree (as an S owner I would wouldn't I) but from all the posting on this forum I don't think most perceive it that way. Given that there are a number of Buy2 get 1 free options that I'm not fussed about and couple I positively don't want, for ME it's a bad buy - but I think I'm in a minority.hondansx said:
The GTS isn't a model, let's face it. It's a 'Buy 2, Get 1 Free' deal' - a way of Porsche giving a discount on their expensive options list without really admitting it.
Eh? It has different rear lights, different front bodywork, tweaked suspension and geometry, slight power increase, alcantara interior, bespoke interior (if you pay for it) and tweaked exhaust note. And that is over and above the cheap kit that is thrown in. I had a high spec Cayman S and my GTS didn't cost that much more. Maybe it is just me but I think it is a distinct model which will hold a premium, same as the 911 GTS models.DMC2 said:
Eh? It has different rear lights, different front bodywork, tweaked suspension and geometry, slight power increase, alcantara interior, bespoke interior (if you pay for it) and tweaked exhaust note. And that is over and above the cheap kit that is thrown in. I had a high spec Cayman S and my GTS didn't cost that much more. Maybe it is just me but I think it is a distinct model which will hold a premium, same as the 911 GTS models.
Who said it has tweaked suspension geometry? It has PASM which is an S option, and 20" wheels an S option, and different bodywork which is now an S option, a sports exhaust which is an S option.. Yes the interior is a bit different and it has a little more power - but that hardly constitutes a real new model.Sure, if you would spec most of those things on a S anyway, then the GTS is a very good buy. I DO think it will hold its premium - but precisely because many will view it as separate model - wrongly in my view.
DMC2 said:
Eh? It has different rear lights, different front bodywork, tweaked suspension and geometry, slight power increase, alcantara interior, bespoke interior (if you pay for it) and tweaked exhaust note. And that is over and above the cheap kit that is thrown in. I had a high spec Cayman S and my GTS didn't cost that much more. Maybe it is just me but I think it is a distinct model which will hold a premium, same as the 911 GTS models.
Who said it has tweaked suspension geometry? It has PASM which is an S option, and 20" wheels an S option, and different bodywork which is now an S option, a sports exhaust which is an S option.. Yes the interior is a bit different and it has a little more power - but that hardly constitutes a real new model.Sure, if you would spec most of those things on a S anyway, then the GTS is a very good buy. I DO think it will hold its premium - but precisely because many will view it as separate model - wrongly in my view.
Scooty100 said:
Koln-RS said:
If it's good, and the motoring journos are salivating over it, then it will become the latest 'must have', new kid on the block, and may well hurt GT3 values.
They are and will salivate over it but unless they start building more GT3's then I cant see that happening and even if they do it may mean some 991 Gt3's come back closer to the original purchase price point where you will find more buyers. In the main however you'll find people either want a GT3 or a GT4bcr5784 said:
Who said it has tweaked suspension geometry? It has PASM which is an S option, and 20" wheels an S option, and different bodywork which is now an S option, a sports exhaust which is an S option.. Yes the interior is a bit different and it has a little more power - but that hardly constitutes a real new model.
Sure, if you would spec most of those things on a S anyway, then the GTS is a very good buy. I DO think it will hold its premium - but precisely because many will view it as separate model - wrongly in my view.
Ooh, someone trolling GTS owners wanting a bite.Sure, if you would spec most of those things on a S anyway, then the GTS is a very good buy. I DO think it will hold its premium - but precisely because many will view it as separate model - wrongly in my view.
Well, my GTS is most definitely a different model, coz S owners can't order the GTS badge from Porsche
Stick that up your jumper mate
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