contraversial topic - 718 a TT RS with rear engine?
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Just reading the 718 post about PDK and thinking about previous posts on TT forum about DSG. Give the new 4 pot turbo, is the latest boxster/Cayman just a TT RS in a diff frock? Esp given shared ownership.
718 looks lovely, but is it really a Porsche ? I think they look great, seems they drive well. But so does a TT RS .
I've 2 911 so a bit beardy but loved my old boxsters.
This isn't trolling, just a bit of fun for a Saturday night.
But. Is a 4 pot, semi auto a Porsche ?
I know this has been done before but it's the TT RS in drag that begs the question.
Mike
Ps ignoring the Quattro which would add to the question. Cayman 4S anyone?
718 looks lovely, but is it really a Porsche ? I think they look great, seems they drive well. But so does a TT RS .
I've 2 911 so a bit beardy but loved my old boxsters.
This isn't trolling, just a bit of fun for a Saturday night.
But. Is a 4 pot, semi auto a Porsche ?
I know this has been done before but it's the TT RS in drag that begs the question.
Mike
Ps ignoring the Quattro which would add to the question. Cayman 4S anyone?
Boxsters (and Porsches generally) have always been about good handling. By this we mean balance, adjustability, feedback, etc.
TTs - including the RS - just don't have that; never have. Llike most Audsi, they are set up to be safe and quick in the hands of the average driver; this means an unexcitable chassis set-up.
Let's look at EVO's words:
"Less good is the steering. The electrically assisted set-up is horribly light when you set off, feeling completely at odds with the sporting pretence of this car. As you build up speed, the assistance reduces, but at no point do you get a real sense of what the front wheels are doing; the steering wheel is simply a device to guide the car down the road with, rather than something to glean information from.
Thankfully, this car grips so well, cornering speed is mainly governed by your conscience rather than front-end grip, making the TT RS searingly fast cross-country. Dig even deeper, though, and mild understeer is the eventual outcome, with the chassis never really offering anything in the way of adjustability."
Yes they are mighty quick and sound great for sure (indeed 5s and 10s are my favourite), but does this sound like something with enjoyable handling to you?
TTs - including the RS - just don't have that; never have. Llike most Audsi, they are set up to be safe and quick in the hands of the average driver; this means an unexcitable chassis set-up.
Let's look at EVO's words:
"Less good is the steering. The electrically assisted set-up is horribly light when you set off, feeling completely at odds with the sporting pretence of this car. As you build up speed, the assistance reduces, but at no point do you get a real sense of what the front wheels are doing; the steering wheel is simply a device to guide the car down the road with, rather than something to glean information from.
Thankfully, this car grips so well, cornering speed is mainly governed by your conscience rather than front-end grip, making the TT RS searingly fast cross-country. Dig even deeper, though, and mild understeer is the eventual outcome, with the chassis never really offering anything in the way of adjustability."
Yes they are mighty quick and sound great for sure (indeed 5s and 10s are my favourite), but does this sound like something with enjoyable handling to you?
Had a TT RS for a year and 35,000 miles. Cross country on pretty much any type of road it's possibly the quickest point to point car I've had. Seriously capable car that puts its power down in quite a devastating manner. Simply brilliant and the best drivers car Audi have made for years IMO. The new one will be quite something when it arrives with 400 horses +
Drove a new Boxster S the other week, completely different handling characteristics as you'd imagine, more adjustability, more delicate handling. Lovely car. Engine seems very strong and I think suited the car.
Had a 3.4 Boxster S which was brilliant and the best handling Porsche (on the road) I've had, and I've had a few...the new car does miss the superb flat 6 soundtrack yes, but apart from that it's a brilliant effort.
Different cars, not really comparable but both brilliant
Drove a new Boxster S the other week, completely different handling characteristics as you'd imagine, more adjustability, more delicate handling. Lovely car. Engine seems very strong and I think suited the car.
Had a 3.4 Boxster S which was brilliant and the best handling Porsche (on the road) I've had, and I've had a few...the new car does miss the superb flat 6 soundtrack yes, but apart from that it's a brilliant effort.
Different cars, not really comparable but both brilliant
Exactly. Particularly when most of the engine is behind the front axle, as presumably is still the case in the TT.
It's all about the low polar moment of inertia of the Porsche and the resulting ability to turn in, change direction and work its tyres in a way the Audi can only inherently dream of.
It's all about the low polar moment of inertia of the Porsche and the resulting ability to turn in, change direction and work its tyres in a way the Audi can only inherently dream of.
thebraketester said:
No... because the TTRS engine is a 5pot and sounds amazing.
Lol this is the case, makes the op look a bit foolish, the TTRS is all about one of the best engines on the market, the next one with 400ps will make every other car in its class look very slow.Let's wait for the new one, you cannot put the latest 718 up vs a 2010 ttrs.
The boxster has always excelled at handling and still does it seems.
However, it was usually the engine that set it apart from the competition.
Others had more power, but were labelled as soulless turbo units.
I think the boxster has now lost a major slice of its appeal.
There is still plenty of things which make the boxster a great package over competitors, but for me it no longer stands alone as THE choice.
However, it was usually the engine that set it apart from the competition.
Others had more power, but were labelled as soulless turbo units.
I think the boxster has now lost a major slice of its appeal.
There is still plenty of things which make the boxster a great package over competitors, but for me it no longer stands alone as THE choice.
Porsche911R said:
thebraketester said:
No... because the TTRS engine is a 5pot and sounds amazing.
Lol this is the case, makes the op look a bit foolish, the TTRS is all about one of the best engines on the market, the next one with 400ps will make every other car in its class look very slow.Let's wait for the new one, you cannot put the latest 718 up vs a 2010 ttrs.
Ps apols for spelling mistake!
Pps not intending to "appear foolish" but hey we all do from time to time
Edited by mikees on Sunday 14th August 20:56
EGTE said:
TTs - including the RS - just don't have that; never have. Llike most Audis, they are set up to be safe and quick in the hands of the average driver; this means an unexcitable chassis set-up.
+14WD is for off-roaders. Especially when you have no idea where the power is going, front to rear.
There's no such thing as 'real'.
You either like stuff or you don't. All these arguments about design changes being inconsistent with the brand history and ethos are tedious. Current customers don't own a brand going forward. If sales of the 718 plummet compared to previous 6 cylinders I'm sure Porsche will react.
You either like stuff or you don't. All these arguments about design changes being inconsistent with the brand history and ethos are tedious. Current customers don't own a brand going forward. If sales of the 718 plummet compared to previous 6 cylinders I'm sure Porsche will react.
DS240 said:
The boxster has always excelled at handling and still does it seems.
However, it was usually the engine that set it apart from the competition.
Others had more power, but were labelled as soulless turbo units.
I think the boxster has now lost a major slice of its appeal.
There is still plenty of things which make the boxster a great package over competitors, but for me it no longer stands alone as THE choice.
This totally. If it wasn't for the flat 6 i would not be in a Boxster GTS right now. When i started looking 3 weeks ago, i was tempted to spec a 718, heard it a few times against the 981 GTS and there was only one option.However, it was usually the engine that set it apart from the competition.
Others had more power, but were labelled as soulless turbo units.
I think the boxster has now lost a major slice of its appeal.
There is still plenty of things which make the boxster a great package over competitors, but for me it no longer stands alone as THE choice.
On a side note, i had a TT TDI Quattro as a company car for a year, and nothing could keep up around the twisties, but it was extremely boring chassis.
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