Jag F-Type 400S or wait for the 718 GTS
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I realise that I am asking this question on the Porsche section, so the response may be to some extent predictable, but I would appreciate your frank and honest views on the above choice, which I am currently thinking about. I had a 981 Boxster GTS which was the full deal. No doubt the Cayman is the sharper handler by a small margin, however, this is offset by the open top for occasional touring. The engine made a truly epic sound.
I can't get enthusiastic about the exhaust note on the 718, this is an important part of the package for me, and I imagine this will be similar on the forthcoming GTS model. It may be different on the next GT4/Spyder which I imagine will get a 6 cylinder Carrera engine, but you would presumably need to be Dr Piech to get on the list for one of those. This may be trivial not decisive either way, but I don't especially like the view over the bonnet with the two swage lines which I find fussy, and always preferred the smoother wing profile of the 986/987, not to mention the 991.
The F Type has the sound, the looks, a good driver's view, and in its 400S form, 395 bhp. It handles nicely and feels every inch a sports car. Should I go for that, or will the 718 GTS be worth waiting for?
I can't get enthusiastic about the exhaust note on the 718, this is an important part of the package for me, and I imagine this will be similar on the forthcoming GTS model. It may be different on the next GT4/Spyder which I imagine will get a 6 cylinder Carrera engine, but you would presumably need to be Dr Piech to get on the list for one of those. This may be trivial not decisive either way, but I don't especially like the view over the bonnet with the two swage lines which I find fussy, and always preferred the smoother wing profile of the 986/987, not to mention the 991.
The F Type has the sound, the looks, a good driver's view, and in its 400S form, 395 bhp. It handles nicely and feels every inch a sports car. Should I go for that, or will the 718 GTS be worth waiting for?
It sounds like there's too much about the 718 that you dislike, so even in GTS guise it's probably not going to do it for you!
For me I don't feel like enough of an old man yet to be driving an F-Type
My Wife works for JLR but even the lure of a meaty discount on one hasn't pulled me away from Porsche.
For me I don't feel like enough of an old man yet to be driving an F-Type
My Wife works for JLR but even the lure of a meaty discount on one hasn't pulled me away from Porsche.bcr5784 said:
Depends where you draw the line - I'd suggest a Cayman sails rather close. Of course, depending on your priorities, you can regard that as positive or negative.
Possibly. But I think the fixed roof doesn't help there. I drove my Boxster on a time trial day against 29 Lotus and Caterham and it was nibble enough to take the fastest time. They may be on the luxurious side but they can be driven like a sports car.Twinfan said:
Jag for me, simply because the supercharged V6 will surely be much better than the tractor engine in the 718.
An old Ford V6 engine with a supercharger simply has to be better than a newly designed Porsche turbo flat 4 in every way of course - quite obviously.I have loved that Ford V6 engine from its release, but it's kind of long in the tooth now, and unless I'm very wrong, they are still using them.
OP, get the Jag anyway, bet it's brilliant. Drive a Boxster before, but you know you want the Jaguar.
Liam
F-Type is certainly one of the prettiest cars out there. At least from the front 3 quarters. The rear is not quite so settled to these eyes.
The convertible has better lines than the coupé, more balanced and settled front-to-back. Either are attention-grabbers though.
It was that or the 718S when I made my choices last year, as the two most-attractive hard-top 2-seaters on the market.
For the F-Type the questionable reliability that the motoring press makes frequent reference to would be a concern. The shock of one reviewer who during his review of the F-Type had the manual gear-lever come off in his hand while driving kinda sticks with me. Most other reviews make reference to annoying squeaks and rattles, and bits of plastic around the cabin which come away in your hand. It does all seem poorly put-together. Sitting in the car, the peculiar centre-console was off-putting to me too.
So the F-Type was not the favoured choice.
You are coming out of the older outdated 981, whose NA lump is rather asthmatic and underpowered compared to the grunt of the incumbent 718, so that's not in the picture.
You don't particularly like the exhaust note of the 718, and profess to not being keen on the some of the lines of the front-quarter. The 718 GTS won't be any different in either of those departments.
Which leaves ... what? The 991.2? You already stated you like the lines of the 991. Not a 2-seater but it may tick more of your boxes.
The convertible has better lines than the coupé, more balanced and settled front-to-back. Either are attention-grabbers though.
It was that or the 718S when I made my choices last year, as the two most-attractive hard-top 2-seaters on the market.
For the F-Type the questionable reliability that the motoring press makes frequent reference to would be a concern. The shock of one reviewer who during his review of the F-Type had the manual gear-lever come off in his hand while driving kinda sticks with me. Most other reviews make reference to annoying squeaks and rattles, and bits of plastic around the cabin which come away in your hand. It does all seem poorly put-together. Sitting in the car, the peculiar centre-console was off-putting to me too.
So the F-Type was not the favoured choice.
You are coming out of the older outdated 981, whose NA lump is rather asthmatic and underpowered compared to the grunt of the incumbent 718, so that's not in the picture.
You don't particularly like the exhaust note of the 718, and profess to not being keen on the some of the lines of the front-quarter. The 718 GTS won't be any different in either of those departments.
Which leaves ... what? The 991.2? You already stated you like the lines of the 991. Not a 2-seater but it may tick more of your boxes.
Edited by Tim bo on Friday 30th June 05:48
Green1man said:
Why did you get rid of the 981 GTS?
Sounds like you should go for the FType, you will just be comparing the 718 to the 981. At least the FType is new and exciting.
Found myself short of the readies. Pity, it was a wonderful car. Manual, by the way, but it had the auto-blip associated with the PDK components, which took a little getting used to. At 330bhp it sounds underpowered compared with what is being discussed today, where these cars are heading for 400 bhp, but it never felt it. It was of course lighter than the F Type being discussed, which may have helped. The Boxster is more practical, and I don't doubt better constructed.Sounds like you should go for the FType, you will just be comparing the 718 to the 981. At least the FType is new and exciting.
Edited by cardigankid on Friday 30th June 09:32
Have to be the Jaguar! I don't understand how anyone could go from the 981 GTS to a 718 of any shape or form, GTS or otherwise! Jaguar may not be as brilliant as a 718 in the handling or build quality departments but at least it's got an engine appropriate to a fine sports car. I am frankly amazed that as a dedicated Porschephile I would prefer anything else, but that's where I am at!
Tim bo said:
You are coming out of the older outdated 981, whose NA lump is rather asthmatic and underpowered compared to the grunt of the incumbent 718, so that's not in the picture.
Not in the GTS it's not, there's remarkably little difference between the outputs of the 718s and GTS. See any set of track times for comparisons as well, the ones I've seen are always exactly the same.Edited by Tim bo on Friday 30th June 05:48
The BGTS is what the OP came out of.
Well the 981 GTS is down 10bhp on the 718S which is small enough to be negligible, but it's the difference in torque which is of greater note, with 380Nm from the 981 and 420Nm from the 718S, and it is here that I found the GTS rather asthmatic and lacking in grunt, as I stated.
This is indeed reflected in lap times on tighter tracks, where the lower-range grunt of the 718S has greater effect, and the lap-times are slower to a greater degree for the 981 GTS. I found this played out on the two PEC tracks at Silverstone, which are indeed very tight. The difference in torque in the 981 GTS compared to the 718S was notable even to a non-expert like me.
This is indeed reflected in lap times on tighter tracks, where the lower-range grunt of the 718S has greater effect, and the lap-times are slower to a greater degree for the 981 GTS. I found this played out on the two PEC tracks at Silverstone, which are indeed very tight. The difference in torque in the 981 GTS compared to the 718S was notable even to a non-expert like me.
Edited by Tim bo on Friday 30th June 12:03
just buy this while you can still enjoy that flat 6 and manual low miles car plus you get buckets with this one.
one can always buy a Jag at 50% off the rrp in 3 years.
Also the 981 is easy to get 380BHp from :-) be a great drive this car with 380bhp.
http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...
one can always buy a Jag at 50% off the rrp in 3 years.
Also the 981 is easy to get 380BHp from :-) be a great drive this car with 380bhp.
http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...
Tim bo said:
Well the 981 GTS is down 10bhp on the 718S which is small enough to be negligible, but it's the difference in torque which is of greater note, with 380Nm from the 981 and 420Nm from the 718S, and it is here that I found the GTS rather asthmatic and lacking in grunt, as I stated.
This is indeed reflected in lap times on tighter tracks, where the lower-range grunt of the 718S has greater effect, and the lap-times are slower to a greater degree for the 981 GTS. I found this played out on the two PEC tracks at Silverstone, which are indeed very tight. The difference in torque in the 981 GTS compared to the 718S was notable even to a non-expert like me.
Its just that it sounds..............meh.This is indeed reflected in lap times on tighter tracks, where the lower-range grunt of the 718S has greater effect, and the lap-times are slower to a greater degree for the 981 GTS. I found this played out on the two PEC tracks at Silverstone, which are indeed very tight. The difference in torque in the 981 GTS compared to the 718S was notable even to a non-expert like me.
Edited by Tim bo on Friday 30th June 12:03
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