Will a NASP F6 718 GT4/Spyder devalue 4pot turbo
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With the almost inevitable release of a flat 6 normally aspirated 3.8/4.0 718 GT4 or Spyder how will perceptions change around the 718 four pot turbo? What is that saying about the entry level models. It’s not exactly a resounding endorsement of the new turbo engine.
OPC Salesman:
“Er, yes sir well the new 2.5 litre engine is a fantastic use of use of modern turbo technology, way more efficient yada, yada, but for the serious Sports car connosieur like yourself sir, we reserve the classic Porsche sounding 6 cylinder”
After all, if the 4 pot engine is so good, why not uprate it to put out 400Bhp plus which it could easily achieve.
Or are Porsche cleverly / cunningly pushing customer up the model range and saying - if you want the true Porsche experience, f6 nasp and sound then this is where you need to spend your money.
Is the 4 pot in the 718 in that case also ticking a box and a nod to progressives saying, we do an economical engine.
OPC Salesman:
“Er, yes sir well the new 2.5 litre engine is a fantastic use of use of modern turbo technology, way more efficient yada, yada, but for the serious Sports car connosieur like yourself sir, we reserve the classic Porsche sounding 6 cylinder”
After all, if the 4 pot engine is so good, why not uprate it to put out 400Bhp plus which it could easily achieve.
Or are Porsche cleverly / cunningly pushing customer up the model range and saying - if you want the true Porsche experience, f6 nasp and sound then this is where you need to spend your money.
Is the 4 pot in the 718 in that case also ticking a box and a nod to progressives saying, we do an economical engine.
Edited by hixster on Saturday 2nd December 22:21
Unlikely as the it will be nearly double in cost, only around 1500 718 Boxsters have been sold in the UK so its not like they have flooded the market and still a waiting list. 4 cylinder built to help bring the emissions down across the Porsche range (remember Aston Martins little IQ) as the GT4 Spyder will be built in such small numbers the price will go up , leaving someone who wants a 718 with little option but to buy the normal car.The latest 981's are nearing 2 1/2 - 3 years and not everyone wants an old car.
hixster said:
OPC Salesman:
“Er, yes sir well the new 2.5 litre engine is a fantastic use of use of modern turbo technology, way more efficient yada, yada, but for the serious Sports car connosieur like yourself sir, we reserve the classic Porsche sounding 6 cylinder”
No different to the same discussion there must be over the 911 range, with Carrera S vs GT3; "If turbochargers are so good, why doesn't the GT3 have them?"“Er, yes sir well the new 2.5 litre engine is a fantastic use of use of modern turbo technology, way more efficient yada, yada, but for the serious Sports car connosieur like yourself sir, we reserve the classic Porsche sounding 6 cylinder”
An enthusiast understands this, but do the non-enthusiasts 'get' the GT/Spyder product?
I'm very intrigued to see which engine they fit, as either seem likely frankly. It would ultimately be a little disappointing, knowing that the GT3 engine would be crippled to reign in it's performance, against the 911 GT3.
LukeBird said:
No different to the same discussion there must be over the 911 range, with Carrera S vs GT3; "If turbochargers are so good, why doesn't the GT3 have them?"
An enthusiast understands this, but do the non-enthusiasts 'get' the GT/Spyder product?
I'm very intrigued to see which engine they fit, as either seem likely frankly. It would ultimately be a little disappointing, knowing that the GT3 engine would be crippled to reign in it's performance, against the 911 GT3.
Not quite, they are still both flat 6s which is more my pointAn enthusiast understands this, but do the non-enthusiasts 'get' the GT/Spyder product?
I'm very intrigued to see which engine they fit, as either seem likely frankly. It would ultimately be a little disappointing, knowing that the GT3 engine would be crippled to reign in it's performance, against the 911 GT3.
hixster said:
LukeBird said:
No different to the same discussion there must be over the 911 range, with Carrera S vs GT3; "If turbochargers are so good, why doesn't the GT3 have them?"
An enthusiast understands this, but do the non-enthusiasts 'get' the GT/Spyder product?
I'm very intrigued to see which engine they fit, as either seem likely frankly. It would ultimately be a little disappointing, knowing that the GT3 engine would be crippled to reign in it's performance, against the 911 GT3.
Not quite, they are still both flat 6s which is more my pointAn enthusiast understands this, but do the non-enthusiasts 'get' the GT/Spyder product?
I'm very intrigued to see which engine they fit, as either seem likely frankly. It would ultimately be a little disappointing, knowing that the GT3 engine would be crippled to reign in it's performance, against the 911 GT3.
anonymous said:
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Agreed; akin to people's description of a 'fast' car, it entirely depends upon what you have experienced. It's an interesting discussion, but I have no experience of the 718 so can't comment on that.
I have to say I love the NA flat six in mine, I don't particularly care for any additional performance either.
I am currently driving a friends S2000 for a few days (awaiting parts for the Boxster...) and know it will make the Boxster feel very muscular at the low end all over again, despite it being relatively peaky for a larger engine.
There's a lot more "teeth gnashing" about the 718's four pot than there is about the blown six cylinder in the 991.2.
I do wonder if part of this is people just not liking the fact it's a four pot as much as the sound etc because the sound in the 991.2 is a long way short of 991.1 but people are nowhere near as focused on it. The 991.2 GTS has rave reviews from pretty much everyone that's driven it and it definitely doesn't sound anywhere as good as the 991.1.
I do wonder if part of this is people just not liking the fact it's a four pot as much as the sound etc because the sound in the 991.2 is a long way short of 991.1 but people are nowhere near as focused on it. The 991.2 GTS has rave reviews from pretty much everyone that's driven it and it definitely doesn't sound anywhere as good as the 991.1.
Obviously there is some inescapable lag with turbo-charging, but presumably the way the throttle response is programmed can exacerbate that.
I used to own a 1M and that had noticeable lag even with the M button pressed (and that was twin-turbo).
A Focus RS I drove had seemed to have a much more instant response (in Sport or Track mode IIRC).
I used to own a 1M and that had noticeable lag even with the M button pressed (and that was twin-turbo).
A Focus RS I drove had seemed to have a much more instant response (in Sport or Track mode IIRC).
Intially the prurist revolt may be damaging but in time I suspect that the top trumps pub racers will embrace the turbo because they will be a lot faster. The purists may have a point, they may not but the new car buying demographic has changed a lot in recent years and I suspect that Mr New car buyer is more top trump than purist.
Steve Rance said:
Intially the prurist revolt may be damaging but in time I suspect that the top trumps pub racers will embrace the turbo because they will be a lot faster. The purists may have a point, they may not but the new car buying demographic has changed a lot in recent years and I suspect that Mr New car buyer is more top trump than purist.
Hiya Steve, how is it going ?I see your point but that's based on the assumption that a purist likes one particular type of power delivery. I don't think preferring a more progressive power delivery to a more turbo-like one makes someone more or less of a purist, as there is no agreed definition of what a "purist" is.
Different people like different things.
Steve Rance said:
The purists may have a point, they may not but the new car buying demographic has changed a lot in recent years and I suspect that Mr New car buyer is more top trump than purist.
Very good point and I think one people miss. I suspect an awful lot of people that drive Porsche's have graduated to Porsche from like likes of BMW M cars or Audi's RS Models. In my case it was BMW and I owned E36 and E46 M3's with their fantastic flat six engines....they have ,of course, been replaced by Turbo powered M cars and I suspect as the people currently driving Turbocharged M3's or RS5's won't care that the new Porsche they are buying in 2020 has a Turbo'd engine. It's what they're used to. Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff