718 Spyder / GT3 engine

[hixster]

Is all over the interwebs today, surprised there hasn’t been a bit more reaction on here about it, what do you think? Looks stunning..

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-porsche/porsch...

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/718-boxster/20369/por...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsch...

[TDT]

Looks nice from the rear and rear 3 quarters... front view and side profile are disappointing vs the 981 Spyder. No presence from those angles.
Really needs that GT look front bumper.. i'll be much more interested then.
Also side scoops have disappeared again?

I think people might be a bit bored with the speculation and Porsche frenzy, and just want announcements and official specs now... which direction have they actually taken?... what will it be called? and how does it relate to the cayman variant? - can you actually get one?

Edited by TDT on Thursday 1st February 18:54

[Twinfan]

Yup, nothing new. Similar to the mules we've seen previously, no video footage to get confirmation of the engine in there.

More staged Porsche picture releases more than likely...

[ChrisW.]

2019 ....

[woodysnr]

From all the news being drip feed the only 2 good things appear to be the choice of a PDK box and the Michelin tyres .Do not like the front end without the GT grill also no rad guards .My pet hate is those stuck on PORSCHE logo as on all the current range look,s naff imo .Everyone knows its a Porsche

[Twinfan]

anonymous said:

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Same for me too. I love the cars but certain aspects of ownership/potential ownership are truly galling.

[Porsche911R]

I still think they are just engine test cars nothing more.


I would say if it is going to be a 4.0 then they are trying out all BHP figures for it and no doubt the flat 4 turbo also.
Still March 2019 and no cars till Oct 2019 imo.

If it's a detuned 4.0 it will be a flat dull engine again !!! and one would be better off modding the 981 to 435BHP and have a nice free reving unit.

a 400BHP 4.0 would not feel good would it ? when the GT3 has 500hp ! EVO states 470bhp !!! 110 BHP up on the last one, I cannot see it.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 2nd February 09:18

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

If it's a detuned 4.0 it will be a flat dull engine again !!! and one would be better off modding the 981 to 435BHP and have a nice free reving unit.

Agreed. The character of the 4.0 will be the same as the 3.8 (lower revving, torquey) but with a higher BHP figure.

A 3.8 X51 would be a much better option, but it's one we won't get

[Taffy66]

Porsche always has and always will incrementally increase HP figures between generations, and it'll be the status quo on the 718 Spyder/GT4 as well..I figure it'll be circa 20-30 HP increase if Porsche stay true to form.The unavoidable issue with this policy is when they introduce turbos into their mainline models is that these new motors sometimes equal or even outperform the NASP GT engines from the Motorsport division.
I saw this recently in that my recent 991.2GTS with 450 HP and 406 LB/ft probably is quicker in everyday overtaking and spirited road driving..My new GT3 engine is much better sounding but for sheer overtaking oomph you just can't beat a well executed twin turbo.

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

Porsche always has and always will incrementally increase HP figures between generations, and it'll be the status quo on the 718 Spyder/GT4 as well..I figure it'll be circa 20-30 HP increase if Porsche stay true to form.The unavoidable issue with this policy is when they introduce turbos into their mainline models is that these new motors sometimes equal or even outperform the NASP GT engines from the Motorsport division.
I saw this recently in that my recent 991.2GTS with 450 HP and 406 LB/ft probably is quicker in everyday overtaking and spirited road driving..My new GT3 engine is much better sounding but for sheer overtaking oomph you just can't beat a well executed twin turbo.

GTS is the perfect daily, but you cannot even order one of those either ! Porsche in the main do at best 20bhp, 1/2 the time it's only 10bhp

the 3.8 was a big step up , but then to add another 110BHP to it will not happen imo.

a very ltd swan song GT4 RS right at the end of NA engines maybe, but the next car I cannot see it with even 400BHP at this price point, the last GT4 was £64k and a GT3 is £111k that's a big gap when it's only really the engine setting the GT3 apart.

that's why all this click bate sounds crazy !

As you said put cup2's and a track geo on a 991.2 GTS and it would lap faster than a GT3 imo torque wins races, look at the GT2 ring time.

[alan718s]

after getting my GTS, maybe i tell my OPC if they accept a deposit to get me the next GT4 it is cost simialr to old GT4 price

[TDT]

Porsche911R said:

a very ltd swan song GT4 RS right at the end of NA engines maybe, but the next car I cannot see it with even 400BHP at this price point, the last GT4 was £64k and a GT3 is £111k that's a big gap when it's only really the engine setting the GT3 apart.

that's why all this click bate sounds crazy !

Porsche will be looking to plug the price gap a little bit with the new cars...the overs market shows them that they have scope to capture some of that profit....so they'll definitely start in at least the £70k's but under a Carrera (even though they are not really cross shopped), and in order to justify this, the new cars need appropriate performance and a suitable power-plant.

I think people will have issues with something with a base price in the £70k's that doesn't have at least 6 cylinders and/or cutting edge hybrid.

Edited by TDT on Friday 2nd February 12:42

[Cheib]

The GT4 and 981 Spyder used a (slightly detuned) Carrera S engine so surely the favourite this time has to be the same solution ?

[Twinfan]

And so the circle begins again!

• GT cars were stated to be NASP for the next iteration
• Carrera S is turbo, so it won't be the engine used
• 718 is turbo, so it won't be the engine used

The GT3 engine, minus all the special bits and detuned, is the only option Porsche have if it's to be NA (which it will be, as confirmed by Porsche senior management quotes over the past 12 months or so).

[boxsey]

As the spyder is not a GT car and that they appear to be leaking more pics of it than they are for the GT4 my guess is that it will come with a slightly more powerful F4T....and in doing so return to the original ethos of the 987 spyder that was a special version of the boxster S.

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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nice in your dream land lol but in real life 400ft/lb at about any revs is going to win every time over a GT3 with 330ft/lbs in an over take.

It's not possible to pick the right gear and be in the sweet spot in a NA engine for an over take to be 100% max acceleration , in the GTS you pick the right gear and have 400 ft/lbs in a wide spread of speed.

on a WOT rag race yes the GT3 will win, In a over take the GTS would win 90% of the time unless the GT3 was at the optimum speed at the time.

All a bit moot I have no issues in my 330BHP Cayman doing over takes, and any car with 450/500 BHP is an over taking machine.

But alas in the real world a Turbo will be faster.

[Twinfan]

boxsey said:

As the spyder is not a GT car and that they appear to be leaking more pics of it than they are for the GT4 my guess is that it will come with a slightly more powerful F4T....and in doing so return to the original ethos of the 987 spyder that was a special version of the boxster S.

My view is that the Spyder will be soft top GT4 this time around, and vice versa. The GT department are basically letting the regular production team develop the chassis - either for cost saving reasons or efficiency.

Although the constant use of the Design Package front spoiler could point to Spyder and an R, rather than a GT4, and therefore nether of the mules we've seen have anything to do with the GT department.....

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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yes, it's easy to be In the right gear of course, but not at the right speed to be faster than the GTS was my point :-)

[GameofCars]

boxsey said:

As the spyder is not a GT car and that they appear to be leaking more pics of it than they are for the GT4 my guess is that it will come with a slightly more powerful F4T....and in doing so return to the original ethos of the 987 spyder that was a special version of the boxster S.

Yep. Have heard from someone in the 'know' that the journos have exaggerated claims of a NA engine for the Spyder. We could start to see a departure of the next gen Spyder (with a F4T) & GT4 (hopefully with a NA F6).

[Twinfan]

GameofCars said:

Yep. Have heard from someone in the 'know' that the journos have exaggerated claims of a NA engine for the Spyder. We could start to see a departure of the next gen Spyder (with a F4T) & GT4 (hopefully with a NA F6).

Both hard top and sort top mules we've seen up to now have the same rear end diffuser and exhaust configuration, which would suggest the same engine in both.