GT 4 without sports Chrono - is it essential?
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My local porsche dealers has 2 x gt4’s
One white with sports Chrono and sports exhaust 87k
One black no sports Chrono no sports exhaust 80k
Both similar miles
Love the black One with yellow belts and they can install an exhaust but what about the Chrono at resale time?
And I may be mad but intending to use as a daily driver so no Chrono and higher miles.....???!!!
Cheers
One white with sports Chrono and sports exhaust 87k
One black no sports Chrono no sports exhaust 80k
Both similar miles
Love the black One with yellow belts and they can install an exhaust but what about the Chrono at resale time?
And I may be mad but intending to use as a daily driver so no Chrono and higher miles.....???!!!
Cheers
mk2zetec said:
My local porsche dealers has 2 x gt4’s
One white with sports Chrono and sports exhaust 87k
One black no sports Chrono no sports exhaust 80k
Both similar miles
Love the black One with yellow belts and they can install an exhaust but what about the Chrono at resale time?
And I may be mad but intending to use as a daily driver so no Chrono and higher miles.....???!!!
Cheers
Sports exhaust standard.One white with sports Chrono and sports exhaust 87k
One black no sports Chrono no sports exhaust 80k
Both similar miles
Love the black One with yellow belts and they can install an exhaust but what about the Chrono at resale time?
And I may be mad but intending to use as a daily driver so no Chrono and higher miles.....???!!!
Cheers
Do you mean it has an afterfit exhaust? Is it an indie or OPC? Could be warranty implications if former.
Chrono not essential. Doesn't really add value.
Do both cars have leather and buckets? Stitching colour? 'Manuel' aircon or climate? These are essential for resale. Carbon a big plus.
Colour wise more white than black GT4s around. Both about same for resale.
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
Great daily although as low as a GT3 at the front. Bear in mind heavy on fuel considering performance. Mainly down to strangled engine.
No lift option means prone to scrapes..
check for damage.
Great car but at £ 87K expensive needs to be top spec very low miles very late reg car and pref clubsport at that money.
Edited by av185 on Saturday 12th May 17:55
woollyjoe said:
Chrono on the GT4 was basically some software that would tell you when to change gear and track timing equipment prep.
You'll find many without it.
I did not spec it, I added the shift light and G meter from the software, shift light was sYou'll find many without it.
t it cannot keep up so makes you hit limiter. G meter is a laugh.I thought the SC was too expensive and did nothing so see no point having it in the GT4 really.
Bit like all the 997 GT3 sans crono, no one wanted it back then either.
In cars like the Cayman it added throttle response and less PSM, it does neither on the GT4.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 12th May 23:00
av185 said:
Sports exhaust standard.
Do you mean it has an afterfit exhaust? Is it an indie or OPC? Could be warranty implications if former.
Chrono not essential. Doesn't really add value.
Do both cars have leather and buckets? Stitching colour? 'Manuel' aircon or climate? These are essential for resale. Carbon a big plus.
Colour wise more white than black GT4s around. Both about same for resale.
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
Great daily although as low as a GT3 at the front. Bear in mind heavy on fuel considering performance. Mainly down to strangled engine.
No lift option means prone to scrapes..
check for damage.
Great car but at £ 87K expensive needs to be top spec very low miles very late reg car and pref clubsport at that money.
neither are club sports nor have buckets. I'll keep looking.Do you mean it has an afterfit exhaust? Is it an indie or OPC? Could be warranty implications if former.
Chrono not essential. Doesn't really add value.
Do both cars have leather and buckets? Stitching colour? 'Manuel' aircon or climate? These are essential for resale. Carbon a big plus.
Colour wise more white than black GT4s around. Both about same for resale.
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
Great daily although as low as a GT3 at the front. Bear in mind heavy on fuel considering performance. Mainly down to strangled engine.
No lift option means prone to scrapes..
check for damage.
Great car but at £ 87K expensive needs to be top spec very low miles very late reg car and pref clubsport at that money.
Edited by av185 on Saturday 12th May 17:55
thanks for all the comments
av185 said:
Sports exhaust standard.
Do you mean it has an afterfit exhaust? Is it an indie or OPC? Could be warranty implications if former.
Chrono not essential. Doesn't really add value.
Do both cars have leather and buckets? Stitching colour? 'Manuel' aircon or climate? These are essential for resale. Carbon a big plus.
Colour wise more white than black GT4s around. Both about same for resale.
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
Great daily although as low as a GT3 at the front. Bear in mind heavy on fuel considering performance. Mainly down to strangled engine.
No lift option means prone to scrapes..
check for damage.
Great car but at £ 87K expensive needs to be top spec very low miles very late reg car and pref clubsport at that money.
neither are club sports nor have buckets. I'll keep looking.Do you mean it has an afterfit exhaust? Is it an indie or OPC? Could be warranty implications if former.
Chrono not essential. Doesn't really add value.
Do both cars have leather and buckets? Stitching colour? 'Manuel' aircon or climate? These are essential for resale. Carbon a big plus.
Colour wise more white than black GT4s around. Both about same for resale.
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
Great daily although as low as a GT3 at the front. Bear in mind heavy on fuel considering performance. Mainly down to strangled engine.
No lift option means prone to scrapes..
check for damage.
Great car but at £ 87K expensive needs to be top spec very low miles very late reg car and pref clubsport at that money.
Edited by av185 on Saturday 12th May 17:55
thanks for all the comments
mk2zetec said:
neither are club sports nor have buckets. I'll keep looking.
thanks for all the comments
The buckets come as part of the Clubsport Pack (roll cage etc).... Neither are essential— see previous threads/posts.... I have a Clubsport GT4, and I love the sense of occasion it provides, including the 918 buckets.... However, some find them uncomfortable and the roll-cage unnecessary unless a track-rat....thanks for all the comments
However, the Clubsport cars do command a premium, and at £87k I’d be expecting an OPC car with low mileage— and probably PCCB equipped—if in comfort spec..... Don’t discount comfort cars, if they’re “right” for you.... But do expect this to be compensated for in some other way (ie. spec and miles)....
av185 said:
Worth noting on the GT4 unlike the GT3 that if you want ceramics they are a relative bargain as pccb cars get little more than steel braked cars despite their c£6k? additional cost new.
That is true but as the GT4 steel brakes came off the much heavier GT3 they are more than adequate for the job. Reduction in brake dust is a positive but catastrophic damage and replacement with stones, chipping etc make the PCCBs on a GT4 less than essential, especially if you plan to go on track.av185 said:
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
A track special, that has been tracked..... should not be bought. .....right.
OP if it’s from an OPC, has passed the 111 point check and therefore will have warranty.... buy any car you fancy, for the right price, with the right spec for you.... then go out and enjoy it as intended. On road and especially on track.
My God... what has this forum turned into.... coffee, values and polishing. Like the antiques roadshow without the road bit.
TDT said:
av185 said:
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
A track special, that has been tracked..... should not be bought. .....right.
TDT said:
av185 said:
Has the car been heavily tracked? I would not buy one if it has.
A track special, that has been tracked..... should not be bought. .....right.
OP if it’s from an OPC, has passed the 111 point check and therefore will have warranty.... buy any car you fancy, for the right price, with the right spec for you.... then go out and enjoy it as intended. On road and especially on track.
My God... what has this forum turned into.... coffee, values and polishing. Like the antiques roadshow without the road bit.
Take 2 GT4s identical in all respects apart from one having been tracked the other hasn't.
Not rocket science to work out which one either myself or 99% of punters wanting to buy a used GT4 would choose.
Swimfinz said:
.. In 25k miles, I have tracked my car on numerous occasions.... Possibly totalling around 200miles....
— despite it spending a fair amount of time on track.....
I'm far happier buying a tracked car, even one that has spent a fair amount of time on track that I know has been well taken care of (extra fluid changes) especially from someone i know than a supposedly low mileage mollycoddled road only OPC car but i have to ask here - How many miles do you do on track each time if you have tracked your car 'on numerous occasions' but only think you total 200 track miles?— despite it spending a fair amount of time on track.....
A single busy track day would for me be 200 miles ...
Including six or seven passenger rides and two to three fuel re-fills ....
The car has an oil change every four track days ... which would include possibly a couple of thousand road miles ... so an oil change every 3000 miles ?
The engine and gearbox oil was changed at 1500 miles before my first track-day and the car was run-in meticulously ... start with light throttles, many gear changes and 4000 rpm max avoiding labouring ... with an increase each 200 miles or so to 1500 miles.
The engine appears to use NO oil ... and people continuously ask me if it's been tuned. This might be because I have the original suspension and brakes in boxes so the next owner will have a car that could have 6000 miles brakes and suspension ... or they could have the KW 3 way's, Manthey suspension and Surface Transform Carbon discs (which will last forever) and also keep the standard gear in boxes ... the car as it stands is superior in many ways to standard.
My last track car had 34,000 miles on it before I sold it (CR) ... was loved to death, and is still in the hands of it's very happy second owner...
(Even if I did have to replace the PCCB's ... (hence the ST's on the GT4)).
As always, best buy on condition
Including six or seven passenger rides and two to three fuel re-fills ....
The car has an oil change every four track days ... which would include possibly a couple of thousand road miles ... so an oil change every 3000 miles ?
The engine and gearbox oil was changed at 1500 miles before my first track-day and the car was run-in meticulously ... start with light throttles, many gear changes and 4000 rpm max avoiding labouring ... with an increase each 200 miles or so to 1500 miles.
The engine appears to use NO oil ... and people continuously ask me if it's been tuned. This might be because I have the original suspension and brakes in boxes so the next owner will have a car that could have 6000 miles brakes and suspension ... or they could have the KW 3 way's, Manthey suspension and Surface Transform Carbon discs (which will last forever) and also keep the standard gear in boxes ... the car as it stands is superior in many ways to standard.
My last track car had 34,000 miles on it before I sold it (CR) ... was loved to death, and is still in the hands of it's very happy second owner...
(Even if I did have to replace the PCCB's ... (hence the ST's on the GT4)).
As always, best buy on condition
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 13th May 20:52
mk2zetec
I've just put mine up for sale with the guys I bought it from.
High spec, but without the Chrono. Not in desperate need to sell, but happy to be a bit flexible on the price if I know it's going to a fellow PHer.
PM if interested and I'll let you know which one it is. I'm based in Bucks.
I've just put mine up for sale with the guys I bought it from.
High spec, but without the Chrono. Not in desperate need to sell, but happy to be a bit flexible on the price if I know it's going to a fellow PHer.
PM if interested and I'll let you know which one it is. I'm based in Bucks.
This is a nice car....Guards Red always works
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1233/Cayma...
Although... 2 owners in only 2500miles.... bit of a shame really.... but it is one of the last registered GT4s
Think the price might have a little bit of mileage premium in there - but could be worth a look.
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1233/Cayma...
Although... 2 owners in only 2500miles.... bit of a shame really.... but it is one of the last registered GT4s
Think the price might have a little bit of mileage premium in there - but could be worth a look.
av185 said:
Not really.
Take 2 GT4s identical in all respects apart from one having been tracked the other hasn't.
Not rocket science to work out which one either myself or 99% of punters wanting to buy a used GT4 would choose.
Who are these 99% of punters that don't buy a GT4 to take it on a track? Me and all the GT4 owners I know take theirs on track. Of course plenty of punters won't want to take theirs on track but it's not 99%!Take 2 GT4s identical in all respects apart from one having been tracked the other hasn't.
Not rocket science to work out which one either myself or 99% of punters wanting to buy a used GT4 would choose.
ChrisW. said:
A single busy track day would for me be 200 miles ...
Including six or seven passenger rides and two to three fuel re-fills ....
The car has an oil change every four track days ... which would include possibly a couple of thousand road miles ... so an oil change every 3000 miles ?
The engine and gearbox oil was changed at 1500 miles before my first track-day and the car was run-in meticulously ... start with light throttles, many gear changes and 4000 rpm max avoiding labouring ... with an increase each 200 miles or so to 1500 miles.
The engine appears to use NO oil ... and people continuously ask me if it's been tuned. This might be because I have the original suspension and brakes in boxes so the next owner will have a car that could have 6000 miles brakes and suspension ... or they could have the KW 3 way's, Manthey suspension and Surface Transform Carbon discs (which will last forever) and also keep the standard gear in boxes ... the car as it stands is superior in many ways to standard.
My last track car had 34,000 miles on it before I sold it (CR) ... was loved to death, and is still in the hands of it's very happy second owner...
(Even if I did have to replace the PCCB's ... (hence the ST's on the GT4)).
As always, best buy on condition
I asked my Porsche dealer in Germany to change the engine and gearbox oil. Car had about 3,800 km on the clock. They flat out refused to change the gearbox oil, saying it was totally unnecessary. They did change the engine oil though. Fyi, one of the closest Porsche dealers to the Nuerburgring...Including six or seven passenger rides and two to three fuel re-fills ....
The car has an oil change every four track days ... which would include possibly a couple of thousand road miles ... so an oil change every 3000 miles ?
The engine and gearbox oil was changed at 1500 miles before my first track-day and the car was run-in meticulously ... start with light throttles, many gear changes and 4000 rpm max avoiding labouring ... with an increase each 200 miles or so to 1500 miles.
The engine appears to use NO oil ... and people continuously ask me if it's been tuned. This might be because I have the original suspension and brakes in boxes so the next owner will have a car that could have 6000 miles brakes and suspension ... or they could have the KW 3 way's, Manthey suspension and Surface Transform Carbon discs (which will last forever) and also keep the standard gear in boxes ... the car as it stands is superior in many ways to standard.
My last track car had 34,000 miles on it before I sold it (CR) ... was loved to death, and is still in the hands of it's very happy second owner...
(Even if I did have to replace the PCCB's ... (hence the ST's on the GT4)).
As always, best buy on condition
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 13th May 20:52
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