Petrolgate hits Porsche?
Petrolgate hits Porsche?
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Twinfan

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10,125 posts

126 months

Swimfinz

315 posts

130 months

Monday 14th May 2018
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Twinfan said:
Looks like I sold my 987.2 Spyder just in time.... wink The GT4 is already bankrupting me with its huge VED, and mega-crappy fuel consumption.... Not sure I could have handled a road tax hike on the Spyder as well....!!

briang9

3,862 posts

182 months

Monday 14th May 2018
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Unless you're on benefits, which if you have a Porsche would seem unlikely IMHO..is £18.75 a month really going to make that much difference?

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DJMC

3,569 posts

125 months

Tuesday 15th May 2018
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I wonder if this will just be the 987, or will later models be implicated? Seems likely, as diesel gate was going on into 981 times.

Gary C

14,597 posts

201 months

Tuesday 15th May 2018
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They say the car was driven from standstill in 2nd gear for the test. Now I can see that for the pdk (and we know a lot of the reason for the pdk was to allow manufactures to help reduce the impact of emissions tests) but the manual has the same ved?

I can't imagine the manual was driven from standstill in second ?

AW10

4,612 posts

271 months

Tuesday 15th May 2018
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Agreed - not with a 2nd gear so tall it's good for 83 mph!

nw942

468 posts

127 months

Tuesday 15th May 2018
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When my clutch cable snapped it was stuck in second. On the flat moving off was okay, but even a slight incline was hard work.

I guess the gearing on the PDK is different.

AW10

4,612 posts

271 months

Tuesday 15th May 2018
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Guessing you mean shift cable as the clutch is hydraulic?

V800MJH

504 posts

179 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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AW10 said:
Guessing you mean shift cable as the clutch is hydraulic?
My R pulls off in second with no issues what so ever.

MrBarry123

6,086 posts

143 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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briang9 said:
Unless you're on benefits, which if you have a Porsche would seem unlikely IMHO..is £18.75 a month really going to make that much difference?

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That was exactly my thought when I first read this. Who, in the market for a Cayman R, would really care about that difference!?

Although, I would imagine this probably hints at a wider scheme whereby Porsche, and other manufacturers, used this specific tactic to alter its emissions results and that the Cayman R is just the first car to have had it confirmed.

Twinfan

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10,125 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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MrBarry123 said:
Although, I would imagine this probably hints at a wider scheme whereby Porsche, and other manufacturers, used this specific tactic to alter its emissions results and that the Cayman R is just the first car to have had it confirmed.
Exactly, it would surely trigger wider investigation.....

Jim1556

1,837 posts

178 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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briang9 said:
Unless you're on benefits, which if you have a Porsche would seem unlikely IMHO..is £18.75 a month really going to make that much difference?

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Not really the point is it? I begrudge giving the taxman another £20 a month, just because I've worked hard and saved for a Porsche! Especially when mine (when I get it) will do around 3-5k miles a year. Whereas, someone with a polluting diseisel might do 20-30k miles, paying less than £200 for the privilege...

Swimfinz

315 posts

130 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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V800MJH said:
AW10 said:
Guessing you mean shift cable as the clutch is hydraulic?
My R pulls off in second with no issues what so ever.
Ditto my old manual 987.2 Spyder.... Did it a few times....!! (I know, I know—- awful driving habit— sorry....!!)

Swimfinz

315 posts

130 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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Jim1556 said:
briang9 said:
Unless you're on benefits, which if you have a Porsche would seem unlikely IMHO..is £18.75 a month really going to make that much difference?

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Not really the point is it? I begrudge giving the taxman another £20 a month, just because I've worked hard and saved for a Porsche! Especially when mine (when I get it) will do around 3-5k miles a year. Whereas, someone with a polluting diseisel might do 20-30k miles, paying less than £200 for the privilege...
+1..... I do wish folk would stop making the assumption that Porsche Ownership=Money to Burn..... Some of us work very hard to afford the cars of our dreams, and just about manage to make it happen/convince the wife (!!!).... (And looking at the way some peeps on benefits live their lives, I’m sure they could probably also afford a Porsche— but that’s another topic entirely....!!)

Toltec

7,179 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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It isn't as if any Cayman is driven the way the test is done so what does it matter

gwsinc

321 posts

102 months

Wednesday 16th May 2018
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Good point above, if the test was more representative of the way a car is actually driven, in a way that can be replicated for every car then IMO they could allocate tax bands more appropriately.

I don't mean, for example, hooning a Porsche around, then driving gently and considerately in a Saab. But something like going from 0-70 in 20 seconds then back to 0 in 20 seconds would give you a good average emissions value representative of going through all the gears in an everyday situation.

Not sure the existing test is representative and would stand up to much scientific scrutiny.

gordmac

83 posts

157 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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While since I looked at it but I think the handbook for my 2.9l Cayman suggests moving off from rest in second.
I used to take my 993 to sign on when I was unemployed after redundancy.

Maxym

2,722 posts

258 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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gordmac said:
While since I looked at it but I think the handbook for my 2.9l Cayman suggests moving off from rest in second.
I used to take my 993 to sign on when I was unemployed after redundancy.
993: Poor man's Porsche back in the day...

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

218 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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There was always something fishy going on with these anyways, can't folk remember the eGas 2nd gear dead zone when they first came out?

I could get it to do it, car in second at 1600-2000 and then stamp on the throttle and nothing would happen. Nothing.

You had to get off the accelerator in order to get it moving. One poster on here took it very seriously (IIRC) as he nearly got T-Boned pulling away from a roundabout and got caught out.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

287 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
There was always something fishy going on with these anyways, can't folk remember the eGas 2nd gear dead zone when they first came out?

I could get it to do it, car in second at 1600-2000 and then stamp on the throttle and nothing would happen. Nothing.

You had to get off the accelerator in order to get it moving. One poster on here took it very seriously (IIRC) as he nearly got T-Boned pulling away from a roundabout and got caught out.
I think it’s in 4th gear at 1750 revs so you never see it in real life and was not worth talking about.

Any one in 4th at those revs wants shooting, that's bad for the engine and called lugging.



Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 18th May 08:33