Apple Car Play - worth changing phone for?
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718 CGTS on order which as you know comes with Apple Car Play
I am an Android User and baulk at the thought of circa £1k for a new iPhone "just" to get Car Play
I have an iPod with all my music on it which will sit in the glove box. (Old Skool)
Is there anything that Car Play gives that warrants the switch of platform's?
I am an Android User and baulk at the thought of circa £1k for a new iPhone "just" to get Car Play
I have an iPod with all my music on it which will sit in the glove box. (Old Skool)
Is there anything that Car Play gives that warrants the switch of platform's?
I have an iPhone and an Android one. I'm a big Apple fanboy and their OS on both desktop and phones is an absolute joy to use. In business and private I have everything set up using iOS ans OS X and they work a charm together.
But I have to admit that my Essential PH1 is the much nicer piece of design than my iPhone. But I hate the Android OS!
I can highly recommend changing OS platform and using your Apple Car Play. Also as Jamessd said, havind Waze and other Apps with speed camera alerts is a great thing. I'd definitely do it!
If I lived in in a small rural village, knew where I was going and there were never traffic issues I wouldn’t give a toss about navigation. But I live in central London and choosing the best route out of the city can make or break your day out. I had once planned to head to the South Downs for an early morning blast but had to abandon it after sitting in a traffic queue for two and a half hours to move one junction on the M25 so I just went back home. Waze would have warned me to not get onto the M25.
Doesn't the 718 have a built in SIM for traffic updates anyway?
If it's like my wife's Audi then the traffic updates are just as good as Google.
I saw Car Play as a must have but after playing for a while I never use it - as somebody else mentioned you have to plug the phone in which is a pain. I think they are planning a wireless version but not available yet.
If it's like my wife's Audi then the traffic updates are just as good as Google.
I saw Car Play as a must have but after playing for a while I never use it - as somebody else mentioned you have to plug the phone in which is a pain. I think they are planning a wireless version but not available yet.
Apple Car Play and Android Auto are rubbish. You will stop using them after a few uses... Total waste of time... I have both in my Audi and they are infuriating and not at all user friendly.
I will concede however that perhaps with a touch screen (Porsche has one, Audi doesn't) Waze might be more usable on the Porsche than it is on the Audi...
I will concede however that perhaps with a touch screen (Porsche has one, Audi doesn't) Waze might be more usable on the Porsche than it is on the Audi...
cay said:
Doesn't the 718 have a built in SIM for traffic updates anyway?
If it's like my wife's Audi then the traffic updates are just as good as Google.
It's not like your wife's Audi, or at least my one wasn't. Google maps will tell you about some bad traffic before you get to it. If it has decided it's still the quickest route, it can be anything up to 45 minutes before PCM nav wakes up to the delay. Seems better in the south east than elsewhere. I live in the north west. If it's like my wife's Audi then the traffic updates are just as good as Google.
I am an ex iphone/IOS user and when I bought my 718, I was due an upgrade but went Android again. The fact you have to plug the phone in to get Carplay functionality would wind me up. However, I often do have my phone connected up on a T-design phone holder so connecting it up to the car (presumably to the socket in the glove box) wouldn't be an issue. I actually find IOS boring but the ability to control spotify and waze (which I do sometimes use) directly via PCM would appeal. Unfortunately I'm only mid way through my current contract so the thought of ploughing nigh on a grand on a phone would grate. Why Porsche don't implement Android Auto is beyond me. I have heard all the crap about privacy but that's my choice, if I use Android, that's up to me. It shouldn't be down to Porsche to decide and they are alienating a fair chunk of their customers by doing so. Porsche Design phones use Android so it makes no sense.
The traffic updates (Google) work really well on the in-built Nav and you can upload "safety" camera databases. Do a search on this forum and others for instructions. Waze is more up-to-date but it depends on where you live, I live in a rural area and I don't think there are enough Waze users to make it essential. I do use it though.
On a side note, has anyone noticed that the Porsche Connect app hasn't been working (again) for over a week. Porsche Connect really is the biggest pile of s
te I've ever seen in a car. Utterly pointless and a total waste of cash.
The traffic updates (Google) work really well on the in-built Nav and you can upload "safety" camera databases. Do a search on this forum and others for instructions. Waze is more up-to-date but it depends on where you live, I live in a rural area and I don't think there are enough Waze users to make it essential. I do use it though.
On a side note, has anyone noticed that the Porsche Connect app hasn't been working (again) for over a week. Porsche Connect really is the biggest pile of s
te I've ever seen in a car. Utterly pointless and a total waste of cash.Edited by Blink982 on Saturday 13th October 09:38
jackliebling said:
Apple Car Play and Android Auto are rubbish. You will stop using them after a few uses... Total waste of time... I have both in my Audi and they are infuriating and not at all user friendly.
I will concede however that perhaps with a touch screen (Porsche has one, Audi doesn't) Waze might be more usable on the Porsche than it is on the Audi...
I dunno, I swapped a 718 for a 981 and one of the only things I miss is Apple CarPlay, it worked really well for me. I will concede however that perhaps with a touch screen (Porsche has one, Audi doesn't) Waze might be more usable on the Porsche than it is on the Audi...
Si-3PO said:
I dunno, I swapped a 718 for a 981 and one of the only things I miss is Apple CarPlay, it worked really well for me.
I’ve just fitted a Pioneer F88- DAB AVIC unit to my CGTS. Brilliant. 2 USB. iPod Classic in the glovebox and IPhone in centre console. Way better all round than the PCM 3 that came with the car. Google maps or the built in Nav which I think is Tom-Tom based. Text messages read to me and dictate answers. What more can you want?
My biggest gripe with CarPlay is that the favourites button on the wheel won’t advance tracks despite being set up to do that and being fine with PCM functions. I’d rather it was wireless as I don’t bother plugging the phone in for short trips. I find it useful for WhatsApp and text, also use Amazon Music a lot and it gives me the means to browse stuff via the pcm on the move. I’ve not tried Waze yet on the iOS update. It would need to appear in the instrument cluster screen to be useful to me which I doubt it will like the inbuilt sat nav does. I’ve got traffic updates and speed cameras loaded into the pcm so not sure there’s an advantage for me anyway. I have noticed when using Bluetooth, it will play the active media player on the phone do will allow amazon music to play, albeit without the interface but ironically the ability to skip tracks.
I'm an Android user and am somewhat irritated that Porsche don't see fit to provide Android Auto. Porsche is part of VAG and my son's £20k Polo GTi supports AA and Car Play. Why can't my £65k Porsche support both?
What follows refers to Porsche and the PCM in my 2017 718S.
Rather a lot of 'mushy' thinking above about CP. To make CP navigation work you need an iPhone (yes really) a lightening cable, and for the phone to have access to data (mapping info) and GPS (where am I).
Connect the iPhone using the cable, inserting the USB end into the USB socket in the centre console. (Other implementations can use BT e.g. BMW).
The phone can access the data in one of two ways.
Firstly using it's own aerial and the phones data allowance; the phone's reception can be improved (they claim) by placing it on the smart phone tray in the centre console. This uses induction to pass the signal from the car's aerial to the phone's internal aerial.
Secondly by activating the car's wifi hotspot and connecting the phone to the car's wifi. For this to work you either have to install your own sim card in the car or buy one of Porsches ludicrously priced data packages so you can use the car's embedded SIM. If you install your own SIM all the car's data requirements will be provided by that SIM.
GPS data. I wondered if this used the phone's GPS antenna or the car's antenna. To find out I put the iphone in a pouch sold to put contactless credit / debit in to protect from data harvesting, protect remote key fobs and isolate mobile phones. Apple CP continued to work just fine in the pouch.
Looks like CP uses the car's GPS. Which is good as it'll be a better signal.
The pouch is claimed to block all signals to from phones , cards and remote key fobs. Seems to be true. Put a phone in it and it immediately became unavailable and when I took it out it took it a while to reestablish contact and discover it's location.
Someone above commented on how bad Porsche Connect is. Couldn't agree more. The functionality / content is dire and the implementation about as user friendly as a cornered tiger.
Porsche; really good at the oily bits and truly dreadful at the infotainment.
What follows refers to Porsche and the PCM in my 2017 718S.
Rather a lot of 'mushy' thinking above about CP. To make CP navigation work you need an iPhone (yes really) a lightening cable, and for the phone to have access to data (mapping info) and GPS (where am I).
Connect the iPhone using the cable, inserting the USB end into the USB socket in the centre console. (Other implementations can use BT e.g. BMW).
The phone can access the data in one of two ways.
Firstly using it's own aerial and the phones data allowance; the phone's reception can be improved (they claim) by placing it on the smart phone tray in the centre console. This uses induction to pass the signal from the car's aerial to the phone's internal aerial.
Secondly by activating the car's wifi hotspot and connecting the phone to the car's wifi. For this to work you either have to install your own sim card in the car or buy one of Porsches ludicrously priced data packages so you can use the car's embedded SIM. If you install your own SIM all the car's data requirements will be provided by that SIM.
GPS data. I wondered if this used the phone's GPS antenna or the car's antenna. To find out I put the iphone in a pouch sold to put contactless credit / debit in to protect from data harvesting, protect remote key fobs and isolate mobile phones. Apple CP continued to work just fine in the pouch.
Looks like CP uses the car's GPS. Which is good as it'll be a better signal.
The pouch is claimed to block all signals to from phones , cards and remote key fobs. Seems to be true. Put a phone in it and it immediately became unavailable and when I took it out it took it a while to reestablish contact and discover it's location.
Someone above commented on how bad Porsche Connect is. Couldn't agree more. The functionality / content is dire and the implementation about as user friendly as a cornered tiger.
Porsche; really good at the oily bits and truly dreadful at the infotainment.
Retired01 said:
I'm an Android user and am somewhat irritated that Porsche don't see fit to provide Android Auto. Porsche is part of VAG and my son's £20k Polo GTi supports AA and Car Play. Why can't my £65k Porsche support both?
What follows refers to Porsche and the PCM in my 2017 718S.
Rather a lot of 'mushy' thinking above about CP. To make CP navigation work you need an iPhone (yes really) a lightening cable, and for the phone to have access to data (mapping info) and GPS (where am I).
Connect the iPhone using the cable, inserting the USB end into the USB socket in the centre console. (Other implementations can use BT e.g. BMW).
The phone can access the data in one of two ways.
Firstly using it's own aerial and the phones data allowance; the phone's reception can be improved (they claim) by placing it on the smart phone tray in the centre console. This uses induction to pass the signal from the car's aerial to the phone's internal aerial.
Secondly by activating the car's wifi hotspot and connecting the phone to the car's wifi. For this to work you either have to install your own sim card in the car or buy one of Porsches ludicrously priced data packages so you can use the car's embedded SIM. If you install your own SIM all the car's data requirements will be provided by that SIM.
GPS data. I wondered if this used the phone's GPS antenna or the car's antenna. To find out I put the iphone in a pouch sold to put contactless credit / debit in to protect from data harvesting, protect remote key fobs and isolate mobile phones. Apple CP continued to work just fine in the pouch.
Looks like CP uses the car's GPS. Which is good as it'll be a better signal.
The pouch is claimed to block all signals to from phones , cards and remote key fobs. Seems to be true. Put a phone in it and it immediately became unavailable and when I took it out it took it a while to reestablish contact and discover it's location.
Someone above commented on how bad Porsche Connect is. Couldn't agree more. The functionality / content is dire and the implementation about as user friendly as a cornered tiger.
Porsche; really good at the oily bits and truly dreadful at the infotainment.
Apparent story as to why Porsche didn't implement Android Auto:-What follows refers to Porsche and the PCM in my 2017 718S.
Rather a lot of 'mushy' thinking above about CP. To make CP navigation work you need an iPhone (yes really) a lightening cable, and for the phone to have access to data (mapping info) and GPS (where am I).
Connect the iPhone using the cable, inserting the USB end into the USB socket in the centre console. (Other implementations can use BT e.g. BMW).
The phone can access the data in one of two ways.
Firstly using it's own aerial and the phones data allowance; the phone's reception can be improved (they claim) by placing it on the smart phone tray in the centre console. This uses induction to pass the signal from the car's aerial to the phone's internal aerial.
Secondly by activating the car's wifi hotspot and connecting the phone to the car's wifi. For this to work you either have to install your own sim card in the car or buy one of Porsches ludicrously priced data packages so you can use the car's embedded SIM. If you install your own SIM all the car's data requirements will be provided by that SIM.
GPS data. I wondered if this used the phone's GPS antenna or the car's antenna. To find out I put the iphone in a pouch sold to put contactless credit / debit in to protect from data harvesting, protect remote key fobs and isolate mobile phones. Apple CP continued to work just fine in the pouch.
Looks like CP uses the car's GPS. Which is good as it'll be a better signal.
The pouch is claimed to block all signals to from phones , cards and remote key fobs. Seems to be true. Put a phone in it and it immediately became unavailable and when I took it out it took it a while to reestablish contact and discover it's location.
Someone above commented on how bad Porsche Connect is. Couldn't agree more. The functionality / content is dire and the implementation about as user friendly as a cornered tiger.
Porsche; really good at the oily bits and truly dreadful at the infotainment.
https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/6/9460471/porsche...
paralla said:
You should consider changing platforms for the same reason Porsche doesn't support Android Auto. Privacy.
Android Auto supposedly reports vechicle speed to Google. Apple only request data on if the vehicle is either stationary or moving and if the ignition is on or off.
That's why Google maps is so much better than Apple Maps, although apparently Google Maps is now going to be available on Android Auto as Apple seem to have accepted they just aren't as goodAndroid Auto supposedly reports vechicle speed to Google. Apple only request data on if the vehicle is either stationary or moving and if the ignition is on or off.
Car play had a significant advantage over Android Auto last time I used them both - Carplay lets you scroll / browse your phone book on the screen - Android Auto is voice recognition only and was a pile of crap at it too
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