Tyres for Cayman S
Discussion
Trying to order some Michelin Pilot Sport 4’s for my Cayman rear wheels (265 x 35 ZR19) and no one I’ve tried has stock. The Michelin UK customer service number I rang can’t tell me when they will next be available, although they are “still in production”.
Not sure how long I might need to wait so thought I would ask for views on alternatives. The car isn’t used on the track - public roads only.
Thoughts welcome.
Not sure how long I might need to wait so thought I would ask for views on alternatives. The car isn’t used on the track - public roads only.
Thoughts welcome.
Koln-RS said:
I also like GY Eagle F1s (available in N-spec)
The reviews I've read rate them highly, subjectively, as opposed to track tests against the clock.
The are also the best option if you want low road noise.
..... i'll agree with that, cost versus longevity versus low noise makes them excellent value!The reviews I've read rate them highly, subjectively, as opposed to track tests against the clock.
The are also the best option if you want low road noise.
jimbo761 said:
Another vote for the GY Eagles, but has anyone gone from these to the PS4S ?
I could have switched to PS4S at the same price as GY F1 A2 but only needed rears which would have meant chucking my 50% worn F1 fronts.With Michelin's iffy supply, and concerns as to why it took 2 years to get the PS4S to market after they were announced, I'm keeping away for now.
The GYs have never let me down after 30k miles. First set of rears lasted 25k.
I was meant to be getting PS4S on my Cayman but the rears were out of stock for months and in the end I fitted Pilot Super Sports. They are absolutely excellent. Grip is massive in the dry. They aren't the best tyre ever in the wet but if you get some heat in them they still stick well. When it is very cold they can be lively but get them heated up and they work well. Great feel too.
testdrive said:
PS4s tyres are absolutely brilliant, honestly never experienced anything like them. Ride and grip in all weather much improved.
Agree funny to read Goodyear Eagle F1's owner when they have no clue just how good a Ps4s is lolI binned mine 3/4 worn as I had zero grip last winter and went straight to PS4S , the tyres are night and day esp over N spec good years which are a very old tyre now.
DJMC said:
jimbo761 said:
Another vote for the GY Eagles, but has anyone gone from these to the PS4S ?
I could have switched to PS4S at the same price as GY F1 A2 but only needed rears which would have meant chucking my 50% worn F1 fronts.With Michelin's iffy supply, and concerns as to why it took 2 years to get the PS4S to market after they were announced, I'm keeping away for now.
The GYs have never let me down after 30k miles. First set of rears lasted 25k.
Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 30th January 16:57
JayK12 said:
25K on a set of rear's, how is that possible? Are they a hard compound?
Very grippy.Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 30th January 16:57
Had them on my TTS too. 1-2mm wear all round after 10k miles on that.
F1s on the front of my 981 are half worn after 27k miles (my cracked Pirellis were half worn after only 18k miles, when chucked).
I figured the F1 fronts would just about last until the new F1 rears (done 2k now) wore out again and then I might try the PS4S when all four need changing together.
Tech at Camskill (been there 17yrs) told me last year they'd had no end of PS4S complaints,generally.
Conversely, my tyre retailer (husband/wife) were invited to a Michelin track day where they drove all the premium brand blind.
The PS4S was head and shoulders above Conti, GY, Pirelli, etc. They were gobsmacked how good the Michelins were in comparison.
DJMC said:
JayK12 said:
25K on a set of rear's, how is that possible? Are they a hard compound?
Very grippy.Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 30th January 16:57
Had them on my TTS too. 1-2mm wear all round after 10k miles on that.
F1s on the front of my 981 are half worn after 27k miles (my cracked Pirellis were half worn after only 18k miles, when chucked).
I figured the F1 fronts would just about last until the new F1 rears (done 2k now) wore out again and then I might try the PS4S when all four need changing together.
Tech at Camskill (been there 17yrs) told me last year they'd had no end of PS4S complaints,generally.
Conversely, my tyre retailer (husband/wife) were invited to a Michelin track day where they drove all the premium brand blind.
The PS4S was head and shoulders above Conti, GY, Pirelli, etc. They were gobsmacked how good the Michelins were in comparison.
I suspect that's the same tech I spoke to at that site. He told me how PS4S would fall apart on the back of my Cayman as it was heavy, powerful and rear drive - I have to call BS when 1) it is far from a heavy car and my mates F-Type which is over a 3rd of a tonne heavier was fine one them 2) There are heaps of Cayman owners raving about them and 3) some of what he told me as fact is the complete opposite of all the other info published on these tyres. So I'd take his advice with a gritter load of salt.
The tyre dealer I use has nothing but good things to say about the 4S... although has plenty to say on Michelin UK being less than helpful at times, something I've experienced first hand.
DJMC said:
JayK12 said:
25K on a set of rear's, how is that possible? Are they a hard compound?
Very grippy.Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 30th January 16:57
Had them on my TTS too. 1-2mm wear all round after 10k miles on that.
F1s on the front of my 981 are half worn after 27k miles (my cracked Pirellis were half worn after only 18k miles, when chucked).
I figured the F1 fronts would just about last until the new F1 rears (done 2k now) wore out again and then I might try the PS4S when all four need changing together.
Tech at Camskill (been there 17yrs) told me last year they'd had no end of PS4S complaints,generally.
Conversely, my tyre retailer (husband/wife) were invited to a Michelin track day where they drove all the premium brand blind.
The PS4S was head and shoulders above Conti, GY, Pirelli, etc. They were gobsmacked how good the Michelins were in comparison.
I changed my tyres with PZero's again as I had pretty much sold the car but ended up keeping it, so have loads of life left in them. I find them really grippy in the dry, in the wet and damp once warm I find them fine to push on. No doubt the PS4S will have more grip though.
Those are good points. 75% of my driving is to clients' homes so it's mostly 5 miles cross country to the motorway, 50 miles of m'way driving, 5 miles the other end. Same coming back of course. So motorway driving probably accounts for 65% of my total mileage.
Oh, hang on, I've just invited the "why don't you have a cheaper car to commute in" brigade! Oooops!
The other 25% of my driving is for fun and so I do drive the car harder, but not like I did at the PEC tracks. I'd be knackered constantly if I drove that hard. I know what it's capable of thanks to the instructor there, and that's why I visited when I first bought the car, but there's little opportunity to do so on the public road anyhow.
I guess you could say I drive well within the car's capabilities 99% of the time. Low tyre wear is no doubt attributable to all of the above.
Oh, hang on, I've just invited the "why don't you have a cheaper car to commute in" brigade! Oooops!
The other 25% of my driving is for fun and so I do drive the car harder, but not like I did at the PEC tracks. I'd be knackered constantly if I drove that hard. I know what it's capable of thanks to the instructor there, and that's why I visited when I first bought the car, but there's little opportunity to do so on the public road anyhow.
I guess you could say I drive well within the car's capabilities 99% of the time. Low tyre wear is no doubt attributable to all of the above.
testdrive said:
PS4s tyres are absolutely brilliant, honestly never experienced anything like them. Ride and grip in all weather much improved.
Agree with this based on my experience, I have gone from other tyres to PS4S on 3 of my cars so far:987S Went from MPS2 to MPS4S
Maserati Granturismo went from Pirellis on one axle and Contis on the other, to 4x MPS4S
R8 went from conti 6's to MPS4S all round
On each of the cars the grip is a huge step up from the previous ones
I had SuperSports on my 9974S and they were phenominal too
PaulD86 said:
2) There are heaps of Cayman owners raving about them (PS4S).
I struggled to find any Cayman owners raving about the PS4S apart from one here. The lack of reviews from 981/718 owners was a major contributing factor in my not switching to them when changing the rears. What also put me off was the delay getting them to the UK market. Jamie McWhir, Michelin's technical manager, told me 2 years ago they were coming out within a month but it took another 18 for them to arrive. He also said they'd been approved as the 718's factory fit but I've yet to see a new 718 with them on.I concluded there must have been issues which delayed them and caused Porsche not to fit them to the 718. Just put me off a little.
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