Nurburgring? No, Nurturing... a mad idea?
Discussion
Thinking out loud...
Now out of warranty due to PGB's refusal to extend it with Zunsport grilles fitted, I had another idea to prolong my 2014 981 Cayman's life so I'm able to keep ti for a long time to come.
I personally think 20k oil changes are too long. I'd like a change at 10k.
But what about the other things which might be going wrong but aren't looked at by Porsche at service intervals?
I can't think of many, but what I'd like to do is have an interim "nurturing" service to include oil change and maybe look at things like rusting exhaust bolts and manifold bolts, with a view to changing to stainless, and a general check over to find other things which need remedying before they cause major issues.
I have an indy in mind to help with this idea, someone I trust, perhaps with club discounts for PCGB and COC members.
Would other keen "out of warranty" members be interested in an enthusiastic care service for your car?
What else would you suggest needs looking at on older models which causes you to wince yet isn't covered by a standard service and doesn't get looked at until it's failed?
I think the money saved on extended warranties should be put aside as "self insurance" but maintenance is also a part of that, for extra peace of mind.
Now out of warranty due to PGB's refusal to extend it with Zunsport grilles fitted, I had another idea to prolong my 2014 981 Cayman's life so I'm able to keep ti for a long time to come.
I personally think 20k oil changes are too long. I'd like a change at 10k.
But what about the other things which might be going wrong but aren't looked at by Porsche at service intervals?
I can't think of many, but what I'd like to do is have an interim "nurturing" service to include oil change and maybe look at things like rusting exhaust bolts and manifold bolts, with a view to changing to stainless, and a general check over to find other things which need remedying before they cause major issues.
I have an indy in mind to help with this idea, someone I trust, perhaps with club discounts for PCGB and COC members.
Would other keen "out of warranty" members be interested in an enthusiastic care service for your car?
What else would you suggest needs looking at on older models which causes you to wince yet isn't covered by a standard service and doesn't get looked at until it's failed?
I think the money saved on extended warranties should be put aside as "self insurance" but maintenance is also a part of that, for extra peace of mind.
Replacement and protection of the cooling hoses, these corrode and fail.
I've just done all mine on my Cayman R. They're a crap over-engineered and under-executed design from Porsche and because you have the drop the front subframe to gain access, an expensive job to do. If these were Waxoiled from new, they would last for years and years.
Personally i've no need for this kind of service as i do it all myself, but a fair idea for those who don't own a tool kit
I've just done all mine on my Cayman R. They're a crap over-engineered and under-executed design from Porsche and because you have the drop the front subframe to gain access, an expensive job to do. If these were Waxoiled from new, they would last for years and years.
Personally i've no need for this kind of service as i do it all myself, but a fair idea for those who don't own a tool kit
Adam B said:
Are the grilled just the protective ones to stop rad damage ?
Why not take them out, get the warranty and put them back?
...because when the engine blows, with them re-fitted, the car will get towed to an OPC and they'll say "oh look, grilles, we're not paying up."Why not take them out, get the warranty and put them back?
PGB say they're wise to this tactic.
(See my "Zunsport grilles again" thread for full info).
Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 3rd July 09:57
frayz said:
Replacement and protection of the cooling hoses, these corrode and fail.
I've just done all mine on my Cayman R. They're a crap over-engineered and under-executed design from Porsche and because you have the drop the front subframe to gain access, an expensive job to do. If these were Waxoiled from new, they would last for years and years.
Personally i've no need for this kind of service as i do it all myself, but a fair idea for those who don't own a tool kit
A record of interim nurturing services from a respected indy may make the car easier to sell as this would show the owner had gone above and beyond the normal, and cares for the car. DIY parts receipts would do similar, but without the confidence the owner actually knew what they were doing. Might put doubt in a buyer's mind the car had been messed with by an amateur?I've just done all mine on my Cayman R. They're a crap over-engineered and under-executed design from Porsche and because you have the drop the front subframe to gain access, an expensive job to do. If these were Waxoiled from new, they would last for years and years.
Personally i've no need for this kind of service as i do it all myself, but a fair idea for those who don't own a tool kit
But this isn't really about future selling, and of course many will enjoy doing their own DIY fixes as it can be very satisfying.
I used to do everything many years ago, engine out, gearbox out, dismantle engines, do brakes, suspension. But I was younger and cars simpler back in the 70's and 80's. Now I don't have the time, inclination, or flexibility! I do still have the tools though.
I'd rather pay someone and use that time to earn more than I'm paying.
DJMC said:
A record of interim nurturing services from a respected indy may make the car easier to sell as this would show the owner had gone above and beyond the normal, and cares for the car. DIY parts receipts would do similar, but without the confidence the owner actually knew what they were doing. Might put doubt in a buyer's mind the car had been messed with by an amateur?
But this isn't really about future selling, and of course many will enjoy doing their own DIY fixes as it can be very satisfying.
I used to do everything many years ago, engine out, gearbox out, dismantle engines, do brakes, suspension. But I was younger and cars simpler back in the 70's and 80's. Now I don't have the time, inclination, or flexibility! I do still have the tools though.
I'd rather pay someone and use that time to earn more than I'm paying.
Entirely fair enough. But this isn't really about future selling, and of course many will enjoy doing their own DIY fixes as it can be very satisfying.
I used to do everything many years ago, engine out, gearbox out, dismantle engines, do brakes, suspension. But I was younger and cars simpler back in the 70's and 80's. Now I don't have the time, inclination, or flexibility! I do still have the tools though.
I'd rather pay someone and use that time to earn more than I'm paying.
I'm a development engineer for prototype automotive vehicles, so i struggle to justify paying someone for what i've done my whole career. In addition, i just dont trust anyone else doing it either. If i do it, i know its done properly, torqued correctly and all parts cleaned and inspected before reassembly.
DJMC said:
...because when the engine blows, with them re-fitted, the car will get towed to an OPC and they'll say "oh look, grilles, we're not paying up."
PGB say they're wise to this tactic.
(See my "Zunsport grilles again" thread for full info).
They take all of 5 minutes to remove, and in the instance mentioned could be in the nearest hedge/field/skip/bin/lake, before the recovery truck arrived. It's a couple of hundred quid left at the side of the road if the worst happens... PGB say they're wise to this tactic.
(See my "Zunsport grilles again" thread for full info).
Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 3rd July 09:57
For both my previous Caymans what I found really satisfying was making sure every non-engine related moving part was lubed up. Things that often get forgotten and are things like door hinges, door stops, front and read lid locks, door locks, seat rails, wiper arm mechanisms etc. Also making sure all the rubbers were well fed with a light rubbing of silicone grease stopped them from prematurely ageing and dulling.
All expensive to replace but cheap to lube up every couple of months.
I would also take the plastic panels under the front boot off and make sure it was nice and clean, with all rain channels clear.
All very OCD stuff but will extend the life of your vehicle!
All expensive to replace but cheap to lube up every couple of months.
I would also take the plastic panels under the front boot off and make sure it was nice and clean, with all rain channels clear.
All very OCD stuff but will extend the life of your vehicle!
DJMC said:
Do you mean DIY or with an indy?
Both. It's not unique to Porsche or Boxsters. It's just what owners of older cars do. For Boxsters you can stay ahead of the game with corroded brake lines, discs, now 987 coolant pipes, exhaust fixings. A half decent Indy will inspect these sort of things and recommend a fix if needed. You can go one step further and change things like the water pump and coolant cap before they go. D.no said:
DJMC said:
...because when the engine blows, with them re-fitted, the car will get towed to an OPC and they'll say "oh look, grilles, we're not paying up."
PGB say they're wise to this tactic.
(See my "Zunsport grilles again" thread for full info).
They take all of 5 minutes to remove, and in the instance mentioned could be in the nearest hedge/field/skip/bin/lake, before the recovery truck arrived. It's a couple of hundred quid left at the side of the road if the worst happens... PGB say they're wise to this tactic.
(See my "Zunsport grilles again" thread for full info).
Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 3rd July 09:57
Adam B said:
and 99% of the warranty claims won't be engine going poop, and would be v hard for Porsche to refuse, but hey ho - OPs choice I guess
Yes, I see where you're coming from but this would also mean removing them every time I pop into my OPC for whatever reason, or even drive past, or maybe I'd be spotted by a member of staff on the road? Paranoid...me?Anyway, less of the grilles chat. The thread is for those choosing an alternative to extended warranty, for whatever reason.
frayz said:
Entirely fair enough.
I'm a development engineer for prototype automotive vehicles, so i struggle to justify paying someone for what i've done my whole career. In addition, i just dont trust anyone else doing it either. If i do it, i know its done properly, torqued correctly and all parts cleaned and inspected before reassembly.
Trust. That's the main thing.I'm a development engineer for prototype automotive vehicles, so i struggle to justify paying someone for what i've done my whole career. In addition, i just dont trust anyone else doing it either. If i do it, i know its done properly, torqued correctly and all parts cleaned and inspected before reassembly.
My 40k service with an OPC was odd. They didn't know what was causing the oil temp to fluctuate. They were closed when I went to collect the car (2hr round trip) at the agreed time (Saturday morning). They then delivered the car back to me with multiple stone chips on the bonnet. My dash cam caught a technician bad mouthing me for getting PGB to agree to pay for a 2nd oil change due to their ignorance on the oil issue (turned out to be perfectly normal, but the OPC didn't know). The cam also caught the tech explaining to a driver that to measure the oil electronically (2014 981) you have to pop the boot! My dash cam also caught them putting TESCO fuel in my car, TESCO!!
Some OPCs not always trustworthy unfortunately. I had direct experience of this last service when they tried to pull the ol new pads & discs ruse whilst trying to relieve me of £1200. A second opinion from my local guy found their “measurements” of disc width and remaining pad wear to be complete arse and they were barely worn at all. So I won’t be going back there again...
Others are far better, but I had thought the kind of nonsense described above died out in the 80s/90s. Perhaps not.
Others are far better, but I had thought the kind of nonsense described above died out in the 80s/90s. Perhaps not.
Schmed said:
Some OPCs not always trustworthy unfortunately. I had direct experience of this last service when they tried to pull the ol new pads & discs ruse whilst trying to relieve me of £1200. A second opinion from my local guy found their “measurements” of disc width and remaining pad wear to be complete arse and they were barely worn at all. So I won’t be going back there again...
Others are far better, but I had thought the kind of nonsense described above died out in the 80s/90s. Perhaps not.
Reminded me of having an issue with my company Mondeo in the 90's, I took it to the Ford dealer where they were to replace the wiper arm. I marked a little x in the paint. On collection they confirmed that had replaced the wiper arm assembly in its entirety. I asked them to check they HAD done this. "yes, definitely." Why then, I asked, is the little x I inscribed still on the wiper arm? "Ah... hang on... oh, must have the wrong paperwork..." Others are far better, but I had thought the kind of nonsense described above died out in the 80s/90s. Perhaps not.
It will continue no doubt...
frayz said:
Agree, trust is the number one issue.
The only place I trust for servicing is RPM Technik, but they’re 2 hours from me and not exactly the cheapest place to go.
I do that for the all important stamp in the book, and that’s it.
It's interesting that you class RPM's stamp as valuable when they're "just" an indy?The only place I trust for servicing is RPM Technik, but they’re 2 hours from me and not exactly the cheapest place to go.
I do that for the all important stamp in the book, and that’s it.
But it's RPM I've been speaking to as I too count them as the one place I would trust.
Speaking to Greig at RPM yesterday, he told me they do a free health check on a Saturday morning where you get up to an hour with a technician and your car up on a ramp and they'll advise what might be wise to sort. You may wish to donate to their designated charity in return for this session, but of course the aim is to encourage new customers to use RPM.
I've booked in for the 27th, and aim to get them to sort anything at the same time as an interim oil change at 50k miles in a few months.
I recall Greig saying at a club meet last year they have direct Porsche factory support and I'll dig a little deeper as to what this means in practical terms. Sounds like an indy with a special relationship with Porsche outside the OPC network.
Having services at 10k intervals rather than 20k, even if it's just oil, will give me greater peace of mind and should give any future purchaser the same if they're prepared to do a little research about RPM and not immediately assume that a service book stamp is not a real stamp unless it's an OPC's.
DJMC said:
It's interesting that you class RPM's stamp as valuable when they're "just" an indy?
See I see it slightly differently. Having experienced OPCs and RPM Technik, I don’t class RPM as “Just” an Indie at all.
Having watched (unknowingly to them) RPMs techs work on my car and others, I trust them completely and far greater than an OPC in my experience.
I’d much rather buy a care cared for by the likes of them than any OPC, as at least I know the job has been done properly.
I hold them in far greater regard than any OPC.
Yes i don’t hide the fact I bought my car from Greig at RPM and it goes back there for its servicing when required. Different people value different things when buying a car. Some get super hung up on miles etc, but I’ve owned super low miles cars and not had the best experience at all. Id much rather a car was used and cared for money no object by someone who not only knows what they’re doing, but more importantly cared about doing it properly.
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