718 gear ratio data
718 gear ratio data
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rigster2

Original Poster:

126 posts

169 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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I have tried to find this information on the 718 but i've failed.

Does anyone have a link or the information of the manual gear ratios of the 6 speed versus the PDK 7 speed?

Thanks!

robj4

457 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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I asked a dealer for this, no reply and not much hope of them finding out I don't think.

Interestingly the blurb mentions that the 7th gear on the PDK will be closer to 6th than 'normal' versions.

No one else seems to mind as GT cars are so track focused, which I get, but as I use mine for other journeys I find the low 7th in the PDK (GT3) and the low 6th on my old 981 GT4 a pain.

The daft thing is that on most tracks you still don't get into 7th anyway, so why not make it a higher gear for cruising to and from the tracks.

anonymous-user

77 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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robj4

457 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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That's interesting as we can compare when we can find the ratio's for the 4.0GTS and GT4 PDK's (for me anyway)

Noticed that the OP wasn't talking about the GTS / 4 though! My apologies

rigster2

Original Poster:

126 posts

169 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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Thanks that's very interesting. The gears are lower so will bring 2nd and 3rd especially into play more easily at slower corners and legal speeds.
Yes it's a 718T I'm considering.
Cheers

julian987R

6,840 posts

82 months

Thursday 10th September 2020
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On the new 4,0
130km/h 2 - 3 gear
186km/h 3 - 4 gear
230km/h 4 - 5 gear
276km/h 5 - 6 gear

2020 Cayman GT4 and Spyder
1st gear 3.31
2nd gear 1.95
3rd gear 1.41
4th gear 1.13
5th gear 0.95
6th gear 0.81
reverse 3.0

Nuttcase

633 posts

143 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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rigster2 said:
Thanks that's very interesting. The gears are lower so will bring 2nd and 3rd especially into play more easily at slower corners and legal speeds.
Yes it's a 718T I'm considering.
Cheers
The gears of what are lower?

rigster2

Original Poster:

126 posts

169 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Nuttcase said:
rigster2 said:
Thanks that's very interesting. The gears are lower so will bring 2nd and 3rd especially into play more easily at slower corners and legal speeds.
Yes it's a 718T I'm considering.
Cheers
The gears of what are lower?
The PDK

Nuttcase

633 posts

143 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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rigster2 said:
The PDK
You need to multiply each gear ratio by the rear axle ratio for the total reduction factor. Looks like the PDK final drive ratio is 3.25 but its partially obscured in that photo uploaded. If 3.25 is correct the PDK is slightly higher geared in gears 1 to 6 and seventh is a very high cruising gear.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

127 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Nuttcase said:
You need to multiply each gear ratio by the rear axle ratio for the total reduction factor. Looks like the PDK final drive ratio is 3.25 but its partially obscured in that photo uploaded. If 3.25 is correct the PDK is slightly higher geared in gears 1 to 6 and seventh is a very high cruising gear.
Good spot - so much for shorter ratios on the PDK box then!

Purple Man

229 posts

96 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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It is my understanding that PDK gearbox still delivers the longer gear ratios.
So second gear is good up to 80MPH and third gear unto 130MPH.

In other words, it is the same in speed gears as the manual until later on in the higher gears.

Jeronh

98 posts

145 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Purple Man said:
It is my understanding that PDK gearbox still delivers the longer gear ratios.
So second gear is good up to 80MPH and third gear unto 130MPH.

In other words, it is the same in speed gears as the manual until later on in the higher gears.
I believe that's incorrect. Pulled the below from a prior thread.

The max speed in gear for the 981S manual and (PDK)
Gear / Ratio (PDK) / Max Speed (PDK) MPH
1st / 3.31 (3.91) / 49 (42)
2nd / 1.95 (2.29) / 84 (71)
3rd /1.41 (1.65) /116 (99)
4th / 1.13 (1.30) / 144 (125)
5th /.95 (1.08) / 172 (151)
6th / .81 (.88) / 201 (185)
7th / (.62) / (263)

Nuttcase

633 posts

143 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I had another look into this. According to technical info on Porsche the final drive ratio for the 718 PDK is 3.62. not the 3.25 I thought I saw on the previous upload (obscured by the thumb snap logo) See attached sheet with the ratios multiplied out, noting that these are total reduction ratios I.e. higher ratio is a lower gear. If this is correct then the PDK is marginally lower geared in the first 6 ratios.




Purple Man

229 posts

96 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Even with those figures you can see that Porsche are maybe holding back the figures.
You would expect the PDK to kind of produce the figures that the 992 PDK changes at.
992 PDK
1st = 42 MPH
2nd = 64MPH
3rd = 90MPH

Does anyone know anywhere that details what the 992 Manual top gear speeds are?
You would have thought this information would be easy to find, but i've just spent an hour on the Porsche web page and come up with nothing!

gtsralph

1,306 posts

167 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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This may be helpful


996Targa

269 posts

169 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Thank you that is useful and more akin to how I think of gearing i.e. mph per 1,000 rpm.

As peak torque os at 5,000 to 6,800 rpm changing at peak revs seems pointless in any gear other that 1st where it puts you in 2nd gear at about 5,000 rpm.

What puzzles me is that mph per 1,000 rpm in 6th gear is shown as 24.7 (say 25) which is the same as our 2.7 L 986 in 5th (top), our ex 996 in 6th (top) and even our Abarth 595 in 5th (top). Say 3,000 at 75 mph. I thought that modern cars were longer geared than that for economy and emissions. Our 991 PDK does about 38mph/ 1,000 rpm in 7th i.e. about 2,000 rpm at 75 mph.

Have I read the chart correctly?

If the chart is correct and it is from a reputable source, what is all the fuss about long gearing in manuals?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

288 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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chart don't look quite right to me what was the 981 max revs, I forget ?



Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 11th September 17:19

Mr Noble

6,538 posts

256 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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996Targa said:
If the chart is correct and it is from a reputable source, what is all the fuss about long gearing in manuals?
The yellow chart above will be for the manual box.

The fuss is because if you were on a great mountain road where you spend 95% of the time between 40 and 80 mph, you would never need to change out of 2nd gear. #dull

Twinfan

10,125 posts

127 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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996Targa said:
If the chart is correct and it is from a reputable source, what is all the fuss about long gearing in manuals?
It's from Car and Driver magazine in the US:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32417763/202...

996Targa

269 posts

169 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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I should have put a comma after "correct" but was taught a long time ago not to use a comma before "and" or "but"!

Of course C&D is a reputable source but would the gearing be different in the US?