PCCBs on a Panamera

[AlexNJ89]

I've had my eye on this Panamera and although the spec works for me, I'm petrified of those PCCBs.

I've googled and searched the forum as I'd like to know what my worst case scenario would be if I ever needed to replace discs and pads, but I can't find any info specific to the Panamera.

Does anyone know what the cost of replacement is, and also if there's an economy option to swap them for steels?

Thanks

[arcamalpha]

£18k ish. But don’t be petrified. I’ve done many miles with pccb on a variety of porsches. Never an issue. And if you had an issue you might get away with replacing 2 or even just one depending on wear.

[993rsr]

AlexNJ89 said:

I've had my eye on this Panamera and although the spec works for me, I'm petrified of those PCCBs.

I've googled and searched the forum as I'd like to know what my worst case scenario would be if I ever needed to replace discs and pads, but I can't find any info specific to the Panamera.

Does anyone know what the cost of replacement is, and also if there's an economy option to swap them for steels?

Thanks

On a Panamera unless you take it to lots of track days it will be fine. No dust, pads will last 100k + mile son the road, discs 250k+ and the reduction in un sprung mass. If you damage one on the road (stone etc very unlikely) it's an insurance job.

I'd see them as a bonus, obviously get them checked for wear before committing to the car.

[Koln-RS]

Big fan of pccbs, and all the benefits, especially for road use.
But, ‘pad’ life (and costs) are similar to conventional steel brakes - 20-40k mls depending on driving style.

[AlexNJ89]

993rsr said:

obviously get them checked for wear before committing to the car.

Thanks all.

Are main dealers the best people to check them or are there specialists?

[arcamalpha]

AlexNJ89 said:

Thanks all.

Are main dealers the best people to check them or are there specialists?

Either. Assuming it’s a newer car there’s a simple tool which can be used without removing the wheel.

[AlexNJ89]

arcamalpha said:

Either. Assuming it’s a newer car there’s a simple tool which can be used without removing the wheel.

It's a 2013 model

[arcamalpha]

I’m not sure when the transition was to gen3 rotors but it was around 2013. Certainly my 2010 car had gen2. The gen2 discs have a slightly less shiny finish and wear indicators (before the measuring tool was introduced). Any experiences dealer should know how to check.

[Mosdef]

I had them on my 2014 Panamera Turbo S. I sold the car with nearly 70k miles on the clock and never had any issue with pads, let alone discs in the 30k miles I did. I asked my local OPC what the cost of replacement would be if I ever needed them and it was something like £16k for the front set and £9k for the rear set.

Both the OPC I bought it from and the one that looked after it said they’d never replaced any PCCBs on cars that hadn’t been tracked and they couldn’t remember any issues with stones getting stuck…that isn’t to say it doesn’t happen but I’ve had the same service adviser for 8-9 years and he’s always been very straight forward to deal with.

For what it’s worth, I found PCCBs fantastic and wish I had them on my Turbo. The benefits are numerous and the lack of brake dust is definitely a bonus.

[AlexNJ89]

Mosdef said:

I had them on my 2014 Panamera Turbo S. I sold the car with nearly 70k miles on the clock and never had any issue with pads, let alone discs in the 30k miles I did. I asked my local OPC what the cost of replacement would be if I ever needed them and it was something like £16k for the front set and £9k for the rear set.

Both the OPC I bought it from and the one that looked after it said they’d never replaced any PCCBs on cars that hadn’t been tracked and they couldn’t remember any issues with stones getting stuck…that isn’t to say it doesn’t happen but I’ve had the same service adviser for 8-9 years and he’s always been very straight forward to deal with.

For what it’s worth, I found PCCBs fantastic and wish I had them on my Turbo. The benefits are numerous and the lack of brake dust is definitely a bonus.

Excellent, thank you.

I guess it's like me worrying about the PDK failing then. It could happen, and would be expensive, but unlikely.

[Mosdef]

AlexNJ89 said:

Excellent, thank you.

I guess it's like me worrying about the PDK failing then. It could happen, and would be expensive, but unlikely.

No problem, very happy to help. I always had potential issues with the PCCBs in the back of my mind during ownership but it never soured the experience. I didn’t look into conversion to normal brakes, I think it can be done but from memory, I think some of the electronics would need adapting too. I might be wrong but I think that’s what the searches showed up when I vaguely looked into it.

[IMI A]

You can have ceramic brakes refurbed by these guys no probs at all if they ever do need to be. https://www.rebrake.de/en/

[Mosdef]

AlexNJ89 said:

Excellent, thank you.

I guess it's like me worrying about the PDK failing then. It could happen, and would be expensive, but unlikely.

No problem, very happy to help. I always had potential issues with the PCCBs in the back of my mind during ownership but it never soured the experience. I didn’t look into conversion to normal brakes, I think it can be done but from memory, I think some of the electronics would need adapting too. I might be wrong but I think that’s what the searches showed up when I vaguely looked into it.

[993rsr]

Mosdef said:

AlexNJ89 said:

Excellent, thank you.

I guess it's like me worrying about the PDK failing then. It could happen, and would be expensive, but unlikely.

No problem, very happy to help. I always had potential issues with the PCCBs in the back of my mind during ownership but it never soured the experience. I didn’t look into conversion to normal brakes, I think it can be done but from memory, I think some of the electronics would need adapting too. I might be wrong but I think that’s what the searches showed up when I vaguely looked into it.

Also the brake servo will need to be swapped with PCCB.

[thomson]

Been running a 2010 turbo for a few years with PCCB. They are crazy good, and were allegedly replaced prior to my ownership. It's not my main car so only do a few k pa mileage. Would I have preferred steels? Yes, but only because of the fear factor prior to ownership. Having ran it for the past few years, glad i pulled the trigger. Mine's a rare colour which is the reason I bought it, been slowly tuning it too, they are so under rated. Due to the age, other parts have been failing so preventative maintenance is key. My PDCC lines were corroded very badly, they gave up the ghost while driving so lost power steering very quickly, had to replace the complete feed and return lines front to back which was an absolute joy for my mechanic.. Very sensitive to worn front suspension too, if it creaks over bumps, something needs changed. I had a factory sports exhaust which has rusted into oblivion too, but much more cost effective to get one fabricated. I had a full cat back system made from scratch. happy to answer any other questions. In fact could bend your ear all day given half a chance

[ATM]

IMI A said:

You can have ceramic brakes refurbed by these guys no probs at all if they ever do need to be. https://www.rebrake.de/en/

I'm toying with the idea of a used Cayenne Turbo and some of these have the PCCB. I think this makes the older cars even cheaper as a used buy because they scare people. For this reason I may end up buying one with. Hopefully I don't then regret it.

I had a quick squiz at the link. I didn't see any indicative costs?

[wc98]

ATM said:

I'm toying with the idea of a used Cayenne Turbo and some of these have the PCCB. I think this makes the older cars even cheaper as a used buy because they scare people. For this reason I may end up buying one with. Hopefully I don't then regret it.

I had a quick squiz at the link. I didn't see any indicative costs?

From 890 euros plus vat.

[ATM]

wc98 said:

ATM said:

I'm toying with the idea of a used Cayenne Turbo and some of these have the PCCB. I think this makes the older cars even cheaper as a used buy because they scare people. For this reason I may end up buying one with. Hopefully I don't then regret it.

I had a quick squiz at the link. I didn't see any indicative costs?

From 890 euros plus vat.

Not as bad as I thought

[AlexNJ89]

I decided to pass on the car. Not only were they a liability but also extremely bitey. I think I could've gotten used to it but would suck if anyone else wanted to drive my car