Say I could pick up an old SC and it's .....
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Done 234k miles has shot kidney bowls and a worn out engine.
Excluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a peice of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
Excluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a peice of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
Wozy68 said:
Done 234k miles has shot kidney bowls and a worn out engine.
Excluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a peice of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
New kidneys are generally £1,500 a side without paint, sills another £500 a side roughly, wings on my turbo are £700 quid each just to buy but probably £500 on an sc? Fitting another £500 in total. Rebuild top end is roughly £4,000 - suspension refurb is a grand add another £1,000 roughly for shocks (perhaps less). Don't know about cage or seats but another £3,000 all in? Paint another £3,000 depending upon what you have done?Excluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a peice of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
Add another £500 for rubber bits, door and screen seals and a rough estimate gives you £17,000 at a good Indy - but best to round that up to £20k for while you are in there. Clutch and flywheel being most likely and what about heat exchangers and exhaust?
In summary - yes
david hockney said:
Would it not be viable to spend more cash initially to buy an SC that has done far less miles and needs less work and then just spend less getting it to the spec you want?
I'd be slightly reluctant to spend 26 grand on a car with over 200k on the clock.
Well I looked at it like this. A 'good' SC now would be around 25k. But I want something stripped out and a bit of a lightweight animal. A 'good' SC would be that, but just good as in good. I was thinking blank canvas and rebuild and make it excellent with a wacky colour and spec. I'd be slightly reluctant to spend 26 grand on a car with over 200k on the clock.
I don't think I stand much of a chance though, I couldn't even get the basic arithmetic right in my initial post . It should read 28k in total to spend plus 10k for the car I've seen
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 16th November 15:44
Well, if it's a hobby project I can see your desire to pursue the concept but I'm sure you could achieve
ownership of a great SC track car without spending a total of 38k- I mean -for 38k you could buy a
mint concours example of an SC let alone end up with a heavily modified car with 200k on the clock for the same dough.
But, having said that, obviously this is irrelevant if you want the satisfaction of creating your own track car.
ownership of a great SC track car without spending a total of 38k- I mean -for 38k you could buy a
mint concours example of an SC let alone end up with a heavily modified car with 200k on the clock for the same dough.
But, having said that, obviously this is irrelevant if you want the satisfaction of creating your own track car.
david hockney said:
Well, if it's a hobby project I can see your desire to pursue the concept but I'm sure you could achieve
ownership of a great SC track car without spending a total of 38k- I mean -for 38k you could buy a
mint concours example of an SC let alone end up with a heavily modified car with 200k on the clock for the same dough.
But, having said that, obviously this is irrelevant if you want the satisfaction of creating your own track car.
I appreciate your comments. I don't really want to spend that amount, so really that's for worse case scenario. ownership of a great SC track car without spending a total of 38k- I mean -for 38k you could buy a
mint concours example of an SC let alone end up with a heavily modified car with 200k on the clock for the same dough.
But, having said that, obviously this is irrelevant if you want the satisfaction of creating your own track car.
The idea behind it is that standard cars are going so silly in value I want something I can make my own and not worry about originality and mile watching.
I believe my 993 is just too original to warrant messing around with, and I do think that's a little sad.
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 16th November 18:17
Good to meet you a little while back. Always good to put a face to a name.
To build your SC into a road legal race car to a standard you would be happy with in todays money you need to budget £45K minimum and that is if you are lucky.
A lot of that depends on how much you are able to do yourself. But if you are talking handing the car to someone to carry out the build for you that is the sort of number you are looking at.
To build your SC into a road legal race car to a standard you would be happy with in todays money you need to budget £45K minimum and that is if you are lucky.
A lot of that depends on how much you are able to do yourself. But if you are talking handing the car to someone to carry out the build for you that is the sort of number you are looking at.
Wozy68 said:
I believe my 993 is just too original to warrant messing around with, and I do think that's a little sad.
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 16th November 18:17
a far more useful cup holder.... even then I was concerned I should keep it original and not mess with it!
I will say though-since I bought an '82 SC my 993 has hardly been used...as a track car I would have thought
an SC would be more exciting and demanding to drive...although no where near as fast as a 993.
Anyway, hope you get sorted out with something- maybe a high mileage bombed out 993 will rock up on ebay..
david hockney said:
Wozy68 said:
I believe my 993 is just too original to warrant messing around with, and I do think that's a little sad.
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 16th November 18:17
a far more useful cup holder.... even then I was concerned I should keep it original and not mess with it!
I will say though-since I bought an '82 SC my 993 has hardly been used...as a track car I would have thought
an SC would be more exciting and demanding to drive...although no where near as fast as a 993.
Anyway, hope you get sorted out with something- maybe a high mileage bombed out 993 will rock up on ebay..
Hence why I am looking at a very messed around SC. A good/great original SC and I wouldn't dare alter the ambers let alone pull out the interior. There does still seem a very few uncared SC out there from the days when they weren't so loved, and I think an 'upgraded' SC would be as you say, more fun then the 993 on track.
graemel said:
Good to meet you a little while back. Always good to put a face to a name.
To build your SC into a road legal race car to a standard you would be happy with in todays money you need to budget £45K minimum and that is if you are lucky.
A lot of that depends on how much you are able to do yourself. But if you are talking handing the car to someone to carry out the build for you that is the sort of number you are looking at.
That's the figure I was thinking of as well.To build your SC into a road legal race car to a standard you would be happy with in todays money you need to budget £45K minimum and that is if you are lucky.
A lot of that depends on how much you are able to do yourself. But if you are talking handing the car to someone to carry out the build for you that is the sort of number you are looking at.
Bert
Wozy68 said:
Done 234k miles has shot kidney bowls and a worn out engine.
Excluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
Wozy you're better off waiting for all the money and buying one in 12 months thats already been race prepared. Thats far too much money to fork out on a 234k mile carExcluding the cost of purchasing the 911. Say I have 16k available now and another 12k available in 12 months time
Would I be able to totally rebuild the body (new kidneys front wings and sills), repaint to a quality standard, rebuild the engine, rebuild the. suspension to a quality adjustable standard and install a cage and good quality race seats, with my 26k spending money.
I know its a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' kind of question but it would be good to have an idea of feasibility and costs.
Warren, how's things going?
In my personal experience, always buy a car that's had the money spent by a previous owner-it's much cheaper!
Other thing, is what is really stopping you tinkering with the 993? That sounds a daft question but bear with me....
Say your 993 is worth £25k today, you sell & get that for it.
How much is a track prepared 993 going to be worth down the line? Who knows? Point is, how do you know it'll be worth less? Or how do you know it'll be worth less than a starship SC that's been track prepared?
Selling my 993 as "it was too good to thrash & modify" is quite possibly the daftest excuse I've ever had for selling a car-simply due to the fact that if unless you're going for a bare metal rebuild you're always better off starting with the best base possible. Other simple fact is that should you change the 993 by putting on some fancy suspension, sticky tyres, bucket seats, rear seat delete & a cage-well it's all easily reversible isn't it?
In my personal experience, always buy a car that's had the money spent by a previous owner-it's much cheaper!
Other thing, is what is really stopping you tinkering with the 993? That sounds a daft question but bear with me....
Say your 993 is worth £25k today, you sell & get that for it.
How much is a track prepared 993 going to be worth down the line? Who knows? Point is, how do you know it'll be worth less? Or how do you know it'll be worth less than a starship SC that's been track prepared?
Selling my 993 as "it was too good to thrash & modify" is quite possibly the daftest excuse I've ever had for selling a car-simply due to the fact that if unless you're going for a bare metal rebuild you're always better off starting with the best base possible. Other simple fact is that should you change the 993 by putting on some fancy suspension, sticky tyres, bucket seats, rear seat delete & a cage-well it's all easily reversible isn't it?
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