911T renovation budget

[diametric123]

Advice needed!

I'm considering jumping in to a 1973 911T renovation - assume lots of bodywork, full respray, internals + something of an engine rebuild

What should I budget, assuming a great but not concours outcome?

[JamesBrown123]

To do properly, back to bare metal, e-coated and everything rebuilt... £100k+

Most specialists will tell you less, but not many final bills are less! They've all learned to pile it on.

Cheaper to buy this.

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-porsche-9...

Cracking value for a properly restored car.

[majordad]

He's right you know, just been there, done that , got the 1972 S to prove it. A T will cost the same as a 2.7RS to restore. Have you seen the price of a pair of seats, or fuchs?

[shoestring7]

I restored mine for a fraction of the numbers mentioned above, but I did lots myself and was lucky enough to start with a rust free Californian car.
SS7

[JamesBrown123]

Yes most of the bill is labour. If you can do it yourself then you will save a fair amount.

However, most early 911's have rust in places you can't even see, to do it properly means back to metal, it is possilbe to take a US car and get away with rust but I have never seen a car with no rust at all. At the very least you will have to take the side sills off and repalce the heater tunnels...

Also you wont find many early cars that wont benfit from sitting on a jig, 40+ years can mean the chassis isnt as straight as it was and it helps with panel gaps and door fitting.

Strip down an engine, put new shells and reassemble? Or suffle pin, oil bypass, new oil pump, new valves and seats, new valve springs, cams, con rods, hydraulic tensioners, correct webber/Mfi rebuild... one is £5K and the other at a top porsche engine builder is £20K+.

Gearbox feels fine? Put it back in and no one knows the difference or have a £5K rebuild?

Basically, not all restorations are the same and there is a difference between a good restoration and an excellent one.

[Richie200]

OP if you are serious about undertaking a restoration of the magnitude discussed here, a very good friend of mine restores classics to an impeccable standard with vast experience with Porsche, he also owns a 964RS and a 3.0RS himself currently and had a 911T previously which had a full resto. His attention to detail is formidable. If you require more details please PM me and I'll gladly send a few pictures et cetera to give you an idea of his workmanship (bare mental, welding, chassis straightening, gearbox and engine overhaul...) His prices are far more wallet friendly than what is being discussed here.

Edited by Richie200 on Friday 4th September 09:48

[PorscheGT4]

£60k imo

that is if you strip it your self and send the body / engine away as parts.

do all the bits your self and rebuild it all back your self.

only way for a car this old now is a full strip, paint hides bad things on old cars.

If a restored car is cheap it's not been stripped back to basics and is a cover up job to make money.

[shoestring7]

Oh lawks.

SS7
[exits to call insurance broker to increase valuation. Again]

[porkyrob]

Just in the process of restoring/ Preserving my 1969T. Cars a runner MOT'd etc. Only rust on the kidney bowls until I get the underseal off. Strip, Make good and full respray by a expert to get the paint on properly and in the right places 20-25k engine rebuild to T spec 9k suspension and other bits say 10k finding NOS

And that's on a Good starting point. 1 owner Car Dry sate import.

Is it worth it...hell yeah amazing driving and ownership experience

Oh and before you go to a top notch restorer. Make sure they actually do the work and not just project manage.

Names that rhyme with brill aren't always the best. Get yourself on ddk and read the restoration threads

Edited by porkyrob on Saturday 5th September 07:41

Edited by porkyrob on Saturday 5th September 07:46

[phib]

I had Porsche Germany do my 2.7rs lightweight 4 years ago, I didn't do anything ( as I cant be trusted / am rubbish at it !!)

It was a running car but it was a nut and bolt restoration, cost me £87k but I suspect it would be a bit more now and I got a favourable rate as I have bought 9 911's previously

Regards

Phib

[Ahonen]

porkyrob said:

Get yourself on ddk and read the restoration threads

I'd never heard of that DDK website before, but my god there are some amazing restorations on there. The quantity of work required on some cars is extraordinary - my Audi Quattro restoration has just finished and I thought that had enough rust to make a grown man cry, but it's child's play compared to some 911s. I'm incredibly impressed with the dedication and skills of some of the contributors on that forum - and by the depth of the pockets of the ones who pay other people to do it. Managed to waste at good half day on DDK in the office yesterday, mostly shaking my head and saying 'bloody hell' under my breath.

[mollytherocker]

shoestring7 said:

I restored mine for a fraction of the numbers mentioned above, but I did lots myself and was lucky enough to start with a rust free Californian car.
SS7

Rust is the key word there! This is the real labour eater.

[Type 49]

This is a co incidence in that I recently rejected a 911t as a restoration project due to the large number of missing parts. having just completed my first 911 restoration I very quickly became aware of how much it costs to replace those missing parts and how long it can be before the parts come up for sale. Buying 2nd hand was expensive but nowhere near the cost of buying new from Porsche.