Started looking for a 930 .. budget £70K

[Jonny TVR]

I'm new to Porsche but not to classic/ collectors cars. I have always loved and lusted after the 930's as a teenager in the mid eighties. Slightly confused by what seems to be a big variance in prices. Ideally I want an original low mileage example and a coupe.This one caught my eye

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Any advise gladly received

[Google [bot]]

Lovely, but it's not a 930.

[Porsche911R]

Jonny TVR said:

I'm new to Porsche but not to classic/ collectors cars. I have always loved and lusted after the 930's as a teenager in the mid eighties. Slightly confused by what seems to be a big variance in prices. Ideally I want an original low mileage example and a coupe.This one caught my eye

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Any advise gladly received

I would not touch a classic with a barge pole sadly, cars are built to a time sheet, so you get what you pay for or worse get ripped off with a crap car.

Hence the " big variance in prices" you talk about. way too many places reselling restored 911's but to quite low levels.

Even the big boys with the big value cars build to a time sheet.

After going to classics in the castle, Silverstone classics and Luft last weekend, I can say it's not a market I would want to be in as a buyer.
you can really buy a £150k stter so you really need to know the car inside out not to get conned.

[PGNSagaris]

Jonny TVR said:

I'm new to Porsche but not to classic/ collectors cars. I have always loved and lusted after the 930's as a teenager in the mid eighties. Slightly confused by what seems to be a big variance in prices. Ideally I want an original low mileage example and a coupe.This one caught my eye

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Any advise gladly received

Hi Johnny. As above, that’s not a 930. If I were in your shoes, I’d up the budget to closer to £100k and go and visit a raft of indy’s, tell them what you’re after and learn about what’s involved with these cars. The potential to ruin your wallet is enormous.

I can’t emphasise enough just how terrifying costs on these can be.

Saying that, I think the 930 looks amazing and enjoy the hunt.

Edited by PGNSagaris on Monday 30th July 12:02

[Porsche911R]

join DDK is my best advice and ask about cars on there.

Every one knows every one in this world so you will get to know a lot on DDK.

[douglasgdmw]

That car is based in Edinburgh, so if you are interested in it then I would get some of the Edinburgh Porsche specialists to look it over for you:
- Brian Miller
- David Phillips
- Motortune (Peter is based a bit away but half way between Edinburgh/Glasgow)
- SP Autobaun (based in Stirling but if I remember Peter Morgan used them for all their Scottish assessments)

I am based in Edinburgh but know diddly squat about the condition of an old Porsche. When I had the 964 I just let money flow of of my wallet like water

George

[Koln-RS]

And be sure you really do want a 930 - link is a narrow bodied G50 3.2, which I actually prefer

3.3 Turbo (930) is the classic poster car of the '80s, and fast in its day, but early turbo technology (so lots of lag) and not the greatest driver's Porsche.

5-spds are the most desirable and low miles for investment, but prices looking decidedly expensive.

Edited by Koln-RS on Monday 30th July 14:37

[Koln-RS]

And be sure you really do want a 930 - link is a narrow bodied G50 3.2, which I actually prefer

3.3 Turbo (930) is the classic poster car of the '80s, and fast in its day, but early turbo technology (so lots of lag) and not the greatest driver's Porsche.

5-spds are the most desirable and low miles for investment, but prices looking decidedly expensive.

Edited by Koln-RS on Tuesday 31st July 08:32

[supersport]

I assume that given your link, that you aren't actually after a 930 - that is a 911 turbo, but after a 911 of that vintage.

In which case, don't up your budget to £100K you will end up with a garage queen that you won't drive because that is what you paid for.

Everyday 911s are available from £40K for good ones, but you need to purchase carefully. They are great cars and very re-warding to drive, but don't expect modern or luxury. But do expect fun, an easy drive and a great sound.

Go and look at loads, no two are the same and no two drive the same.

Get a good buyers guide, get an inspection and enjoy.

Check out impactbumbers.com for great air cooled advice.

[Desert Dragon]

The link OP posted looks like a very nice car indeed. Not many around in that sort of condition. Last of the line G50 Carrera.

[Cheib]

Porsche911R said:

or worse get ripped off with a crap car.

Heard of an example of this recently. Someone bought a 356 Speedster for a proper amount of money from a "well respected Porsche specialist" (I've only ever seen people sing their praises on here). Car was sold as matching numbers etc and turned out to be anything but. The buyer didn't get it inspected because of the reputation of the dealer. I saw it when it was at another Porsche specialist who was getting it inspected for him by some marque experts.

Buyer was probably looking at a £200k hit....original dealer didn't want to take the car back.

Car looked stunning when I saw it!

[Desert Dragon]

Cheib said:

Porsche911R said:

or worse get ripped off with a crap car.

Heard of an example of this recently. Someone bought a 356 Speedster for a proper amount of money from a "well respected Porsche specialist" (I've only ever seen people sing their praises on here). Car was sold as matching numbers etc and turned out to be anything but. The buyer didn't get it inspected because of the reputation of the dealer. I saw it when it was at another Porsche specialist who was getting it inspected for him by some marque experts.

Buyer was probably looking at a £200k hit....original dealer didn't want to take the car back.

Car looked stunning when I saw it!

Think i saw this navy blue 356? Cost £300k but wasn't quite what it purported to be. Shame and agree the car looks stunning and worth every penny to the layman.

[gtsralph]

Jonny TVR said:

I'm new to Porsche but not to classic/ collectors cars. I have always loved and lusted after the 930's as a teenager in the mid eighties. Slightly confused by what seems to be a big variance in prices. Ideally I want an original low mileage example and a coupe.This one caught my eye

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Any advise gladly received

This one (1984 but similar to your linked car) went for £39,667 at recent auction. Great provenance and condition.

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1984-porsche-91...

[Jonny TVR]

gtsralph said:

This one (1984 but similar to your linked car) went for £39,667 at recent auction. Great provenance and condition.

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1984-porsche-91...

Looks good value but isn't there VAT and commission on top. Still cheaper though. I like the idea of buying at auction.

[Porsche911R]

Jonny TVR said:

. I like the idea of buying at auction.

bar the top cars on the headline, most cars feel and look like auction fodder to me.

I would not touch an auction car unless it was one of the headline cars.
last Silverstone Auction was full of tat imo

Good cars sell off book.

[Cheib]

Desert Dragon said:

Cheib said:

Porsche911R said:

or worse get ripped off with a crap car.

Heard of an example of this recently. Someone bought a 356 Speedster for a proper amount of money from a "well respected Porsche specialist" (I've only ever seen people sing their praises on here). Car was sold as matching numbers etc and turned out to be anything but. The buyer didn't get it inspected because of the reputation of the dealer. I saw it when it was at another Porsche specialist who was getting it inspected for him by some marque experts.

Buyer was probably looking at a £200k hit....original dealer didn't want to take the car back.

Car looked stunning when I saw it!

Think i saw this navy blue 356? Cost £300k but wasn't quite what it purported to be. Shame and agree the car looks stunning and worth every penny to the layman.

Yup. Navy Blue with a tan interior. Lovely looking thing! Mind for £300k I'd rather have an Emory Outlaw or Special

[baypond]

I bought a nice 930, 70,000 mile car for £45,000 3 years ago. Servicing and remediating issues that past owners presumably couldn't afford have cost £10,000, and this year I may need to sort out the 'sweaty' engine which could mean £15,000 for a proper re-build, even though the un-modified engine is still pushing 300bhp on the treadmill.

So that is £70,000 for a great car with a lovely patina bought at 2015 prices. I think I would scrape my money back, but the £25,000 sticker price profit has long gone on up-keep.

I think the costs will slow down, but 30 year old supercars need constant attention and lots of £££.

[SRT Hellcat]

diamond blue metallic is a stunning colour that changes in the light. First Porsche I ever drove was an 89 3.2 in this colour. Beautiful. But have it inspected by someone who knows what they are looking at

[Kinoulty]

Jonny TVR said:

Looks good value but isn't there VAT and commission on top. Still cheaper though. I like the idea of buying at auction.

The price they list on the website includes the buyers premium (5%) + 20% VAT on the premium. The seller gets the net - in this case just under £37,500

I sold a 964WTL via Silverstone/PCGB auction last year - despite seemingly good quality, cars were struggling to even make the reserve prices... The reserve is agreed once the auction house has inspected the car; and whilst there is a substantial element of 'Caveat emptor' you have a short window in which you can get the car inspected and return it if it is not 'as described'.

If you want to buy from a dealer/specialist my advice is to monitor how quickly cars are selling and see as many cars as you can so you will know when you find the 'right-one' for you. Even then, get it inspected by a specialist.

A specialist report will give you guidance on current condition and point to probable future costs - and thus provides a haggling tool if the vendor hasn't be upfront in disclosing any weaknesses and pricing accordingly.

Personally, I'd tend to buy older cards privately - look for long-term ownership and a detailed service history. You can check 'care levels' via looking for advisories on the cars MOT history. Buy a batch of online vehicle check reports and run one for each car of interest - Porsches tend to have a string of 'flags' due to vanity plate changes but these check will show up any real problem areas in a cars history before you spend the time and money seeing it yourself.

Good luck with the search - take your time, then love it and keep it!

[mudy]

I've owned a 930 for 10 years - and echo what others say here on costs - budget at least £3,000 a year if it's a good one. They are, in my opinion, when slightly lowered, and with the wheels on bigger spacers (they are over-arched as standard in my opinion), one of the most beautiful cars from almost any angle.
I only ever get positive attention in it.
Sorted suspension and gearbox make the biggest difference to how they drive - a good 930 variant 915 gearbox is a lovely thing, a bad one is not.
The engines go on and on, but it's rust that is the silent killer - so make sure that the inevitable bodywork by previous owners was done to a high standard at a reputable bodyshop, with photographic evidence.
£70 grand will get you a good one with a few miles, but don't worry about that - regular maintenance and the car being regularly driven is mote important than a low mileage garage queen that will cost you at least £30k more and will need a lot of work if you actually then start driving it - they hate not being driven.
The turbo boost is addictive, but they arent as nimble as their naturally aspirated sister - just a lot quicker in a straight line. However, do drive a good one before you buy - where are you based?