812 GTS - premium over 812 SF?

[kbf1981]

I keep looking at 812 GTS and had a look at one in person today - the £354k one at Leeds - it's a lovely thing. They're beautiful in the flesh and I think probably the perfect GT (aside from not having android auto).

However... at £100k+ premium over an 812SF... is that just going to shed money over the next 12 months? I know a lot of 812SF customers swapped into 812GTS so that probably pushed the SF down, and now there's no 812 replacement yet, will the GTS fall a lot when the replacement is announced and people jump into that?

I recon the new 812 replacement will be £370k with reasonable options - so waiting on that, if you can get one, feels more sensible than paying above list on a GTS?

At 300k I'd go for a GTS I think - but at 400k (the Leeds 354k one has 10k miles hence the price, but is a beautiful car and obviously in brand new condition in person), feels a bit artificially high (i.e. its got a lot to drop when the new one comes out).

I'm happy losing some money but would be upset if I lost £80k in a year on a car including dealer margins.

What do you think - will the GTS maintain it's premium despite being a non limited car? 2 years old at 350-400k (around list?) feels toppy.

[ANOpax]

paging mystic meg, paging mystic meg…

On a more serious note, go with your gut instinct. None of us knows the future but if you trust your instincts then that’s probably the most comfortable decision for you to make - not one influenced by a bunch of people off the internet who don’t know you or what makes you tick.

I appreciate that you’re seeking information or affirmation so have a big helping of the latter. And as for the former, consider this;



The looks of the F12 are generally preferred to that of the 812 but 812 is better than the F12 in the same way that the 360 is better than the F355. And yet the F430 and F355 both trade at a premium to the 360. My prediction is that the 812 will end up as the unattractive sister sandwiched between the F12 and the F167 (812 replacement). There will also be topless version of F167 (apparently).

[Soleith]

I feel like 370 with options is optimistic for f167. Purosangue is what, 310 base? Given that I'd be surprised if f167 is less than 350 base and something starting with a 4 for a decent spec.

But f167 is going to probably be mid to late 2024 before deliveries start and the spider if they do one will come after the GTB so assuming you've got a history and can get an allocation on an f167 spider maybe you'd receive it in 2025?

Agree with the above though, not a big fan of the 812s looks. If f167 is priced high then the gts might hold value?

[garystoybox]

Yes, had a good look at the JCT GTS a while back, beautify spec. Initially had my heart set on a 812 GTS and placed a deposit on a cancelled order. Unfortunately, when I actually spent time with the demo over a couple of days I actually found it to be a slight let down (relatively speaking, still wonderful, obviously) and certainly not worth any significant premium over my SF. It sound was not a patch on the pre GPF SF’s and the storage was just too limited for me I.e. I can get two sets of golf clubs and associated paraphernalia in the SF and get away on lads trips and tours. Got to really want the targa roof to pay the premium imo. Disappointing that with the roof down I couldn’t even hear the V12 over the wind noise.

[Taffy66]

I also considered a GTS before buying an 812SF. Its only when I sat in the GTS and foind it more cramped and less practical for touring away for a few days, both in passenger room and luggage. Another factor was I paid £245k for my 812SH which at the time needed another £100k+ which I couldn't get my head around.
The 812SF is already heavy enough fo me personally without adding another 120Kg on top with the GTS.

Just my personal view, however I fully understand and respect for many others these sacrificies are worth it for the added option of being able to drop the roof.

[footsoldier]

No chance the replacement will be under 400k with a spec, when you look at new Lambo and also Purosangue prices, prob more like 450

[Taffy66]

footsoldier said:

No chance the replacement will be under 400k with a spec, when you look at new Lambo and also Purosangue prices, prob more like 450

I fully agree

[garystoybox]

Taffy66 said:

footsoldier said:

No chance the replacement will be under 400k with a spec, when you look at new Lambo and also Purosangue prices, prob more like 450

I fully agree

I’ll third the above. I think the Aventador listed at from £260k-£270k a couple of years back- almost identical to the 812SF. Lambo have stated they’ve sold out out the first 24 months production on launch day at £450k start price so why wouldn’t Ferrari price equivalently if a similar hybrid V12 arrangement? Time will tell, but too rich for me anyway.

[TP321]

garystoybox said:

I’ll third the above. I think the Aventador listed at from £260k-£270k a couple of years back- almost identical to the 812SF. Lambo have stated they’ve sold out out the first 24 months production on launch day at £450k start price so why wouldn’t Ferrari price equivalently if a similar hybrid V12 arrangement? Time will tell, but too rich for me anyway.

So are we seeing the prices of both the Aventador and 812 replacement surpassing their inflation adjusted prices? in 2012 an Aventador was £250k? if so, thats £362k in today's money.

May proof that the rich are getting richer and pulling the prices of everything luxury up with them.

Edited by TP321 on Thursday 13th April 15:02

[kbf1981]

TP321 said:

garystoybox said:

I’ll third the above. I think the Aventador listed at from £260k-£270k a couple of years back- almost identical to the 812SF. Lambo have stated they’ve sold out out the first 24 months production on launch day at £450k start price so why wouldn’t Ferrari price equivalently if a similar hybrid V12 arrangement? Time will tell, but too rich for me anyway.

So are we seeing the prices of both the Aventador and 812 replacement surpassing their inflation adjusted prices? in 2012 an Aventador was £250k? if so, thats £362k in today's money.

May proof that the rich are getting richer and pulling the prices of everything luxury up with them.

Edited by TP321 on Thursday 13th April 15:02

Or Ferrari want to sell less top end models and increase gross margin on each.

During covid Merc cut supply due to chips and sold more posh models than cheaper models and made more money I remember reading. Maybe Ferrari is doing the same at a different level. Eg..

Roma - sell decent numbers
296 - as above
V12 models - make less, move price way, way up

So the models that impact their EU emissions legislation they make very few of, relatively, but charge much more for, and they become halo models in what is already a halo brand. The lower emission models is where they do most of their 10-12k per year.

[kbf1981]

Has anyone moved from a 488 to 812 - would you do it again? Love my 488, its a great model, great spec, really enjoy it. Just fancy an 812. Price for a nice SF seem to be 250k which I could see falling to £220k but probably always above F12 at 180k... the 599 which is a ways off performance wise and an old car now, seem to have come up a lot recently. When I got my 488 I was looking at 599's too and they were around 100k for a nice one. Now whilst there's huge variability, they do seem to be above this now approved used.

What's an average 296 walking out of the showroom at optioned up?

[garystoybox]

kbf1981 said:

Has anyone moved from a 488 to 812 - would you do it again? Love my 488, its a great model, great spec, really enjoy it. Just fancy an 812. Price for a nice SF seem to be 250k which I could see falling to £220k but probably always above F12 at 180k... the 599 which is a ways off performance wise and an old car now, seem to have come up a lot recently. When I got my 488 I was looking at 599's too and they were around 100k for a nice one. Now whilst there's huge variability, they do seem to be above this now approved used.

What's an average 296 walking out of the showroom at optioned up?

I went from a 488 Spider to an 812 SF 2 years ago (two different 458’s prior to that). I think that the 812 only disappoints to those who think it’s a GT cruiser. It’s actually an out and out raving lunatic supercar. It puts its power down so much better than the F12 but still feels like it’s trying to kill you at times and demands full on 100% concentration. Not really a relaxing car and so fast at the top end it’s almost hard to bring yourself to keep the throttle pinned; definitely found my 488 less demanding. Worlds best engine as far as I’m concerned and sounds better than an F12 (definitely look for a pre GPF car which I think arrived late 2019 build and is more muted).

Some apparently don’t like them so definitely try before you buy: but the engine is so much of what makes a supercar experience for me that I can’t see me replacing it for any of the current V8/V6 hybrid.

I’d priced a decent mid spec 296 up at £285k. Order books have been reordered as quite a few cancellations and people shifting orders to the spider. Used prices don’t seem to carry a premium despite it being a new model which doesn’t bode overly well I guess. Tremendous to drive though, but don’t be kidded by people saying it’s like a mini V12.