Pie & Piston - The future
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If you are reading this then you may well be wondering what has happened to the Pie & Piston, well at least the Pie & Piston as you know it 
The good news is that it lives on and if you leave this forum you will see a whole new section we have created under the P&P banner that includes forums for a selection of topics as well as a new 'lounge' area for other matters. This area has been created with the intention of making the Pie & Piston an easier and more pleasant forum to use.
We are currently sorting out the topics at the moment into the new sections, however when P&P is back up if you find a topic listed below that you would like to comment on then you still can. When you click 'reply' on any of the topics below then you will be offered the chance to move the topic to the most relevant new forum and the topic will be activated ready for your new post. All we ask is that you do your best to move the topic to the RELEVANT forum and not just to the 'lounge' area. Remember that all topics in here are available to read at any time and will not be removed meaning you are still free to read many years worth of Pie & Piston content.
We hope you enjoy the new format and if you want some more detail on the new forums you will find a sticky thread at the top of the new P&P forums in a bit.
The good news is that it lives on and if you leave this forum you will see a whole new section we have created under the P&P banner that includes forums for a selection of topics as well as a new 'lounge' area for other matters. This area has been created with the intention of making the Pie & Piston an easier and more pleasant forum to use.
We are currently sorting out the topics at the moment into the new sections, however when P&P is back up if you find a topic listed below that you would like to comment on then you still can. When you click 'reply' on any of the topics below then you will be offered the chance to move the topic to the most relevant new forum and the topic will be activated ready for your new post. All we ask is that you do your best to move the topic to the RELEVANT forum and not just to the 'lounge' area. Remember that all topics in here are available to read at any time and will not be removed meaning you are still free to read many years worth of Pie & Piston content.
We hope you enjoy the new format and if you want some more detail on the new forums you will find a sticky thread at the top of the new P&P forums in a bit.
t ideaSorry RP - this will be a bit of a "shoot in the foot" momnent for PH. Once you create too many specialist areas the site becomes too "narrow".
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Hope it worksEric Mc said:
Sorry RP - this will be a bit of a "shoot in the foot" momnent for PH. Once you create too many specialist areas the site becomes too "narrow".
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Exactly the same argument was made when General Gassing was split into two (Gen Gassing + Pie and Piston). I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
I think it's a good idea. I'd happily quickly browse engineering threads and don't need to see Politics threads which don't interest me as much.
Given time I think this will be for the better.
Eric Mc said:
Sorry RP - this will be a bit of a "shoot in the foot" momnent for PH. Once you create too many specialist areas the site becomes too "narrow".
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
I'm in agreement with Eric on this, but understand why it is being done (as I'm sure Eric is as well!!)I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Fingers crossed that it works
Eric Mc said:
Sorry RP - this will be a bit of a "shoot in the foot" momnent for PH. Once you create too many specialist areas the site becomes too "narrow".
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Eric - have a look at my post on the other thread, and please give us a chance before making this judgement. As you'll see, there is a way for you to recreate the single forum look of the P&P, but what we're trying to do is make PH harder for idiots (a catch-all term for ineloquent, abusive NSFW/racist posters who we simply don't want here any longer) and as enjoyable for quality posters such as you. I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Penny-lope said:
Oh will you all stop being so bloody negative all the time 
<runsofftohideinacorner>
Come on, this is PH <runsofftohideinacorner>
The whole idea of the P&P was because General Gassing became TOO general (non-car related).
It was a good idea to open a general forum. This is, in essence, a reversal of that philosphy and doomed to failure.
What I haven't heard is an explanation from the "top brass" as to why they felt this revamp was necessary.
Was it a technical issue or just a brainwave after some "blue-sky thinking".
Eric Mc said:
Sorry RP - this will be a bit of a "shoot in the foot" momnent for PH. Once you create too many specialist areas the site becomes too "narrow".
I have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
agreedI have seen other sites where there are dozens and dozens of "specialist areas" and they are just too unweildy for me.
We need a "general" chat area where ANY topic is likely to crop up. It was part of the attraction of P&P.
A good example of the problems caused by this is the way music goes virtually undiscussed on PH now as all since the "music" related threads have been confined to a "music" area.
The P&P is the "soul" of PH.
My advice, reverse this decision before PH loses its "soul" completely.
Eric Mc said:
Penny-lope said:
Oh will you all stop being so bloody negative all the time
<runsofftohideinacorner>
Come on, this is PH <runsofftohideinacorner>
The whole idea of the P&P was because General Gassing became TOO general (non-car related).
It was a good idea to open a general forum. This is, in essence, a reversal of that philosphy and doomed to failure.
What I haven't heard is an explanation from the "top brass" as to why they felt this revamp was necessary.
Was it a technical issue or just a brainwave after some "blue-sky thinking".
I wounder, if we'll start getting music piped through too
Penny-lope said:
Eric Mc said:
Penny-lope said:
Oh will you all stop being so bloody negative all the time
<runsofftohideinacorner>
Come on, this is PH <runsofftohideinacorner>
The whole idea of the P&P was because General Gassing became TOO general (non-car related).
It was a good idea to open a general forum. This is, in essence, a reversal of that philosphy and doomed to failure.
What I haven't heard is an explanation from the "top brass" as to why they felt this revamp was necessary.
Was it a technical issue or just a brainwave after some "blue-sky thinking".
I wounder, if we'll start getting music piped through too
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