Naming and shaming?
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Mattt

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16,664 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Was just reading a BMW thread, and a mod had removed all references to which dealer was the problem - but it still leaves accusations about BMW main dealers damaging a car.

Where is the line drawn? After all BMW UK could take offence to this, it's still naming and shaming - but aimed at a larger organisation.

paoloh

8,617 posts

233 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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In this case not a lot as the dealers are not owned by BMW.

For want of a better word, they are franchises.

But I do get your point.

Mattt

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16,664 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Yeah that's what I meant, they are not legally connected but the post could still impact upon BMW UK sales.

It would be a shame if we couldn't talk about issues like that, but wondered where the Haymarket guys/Mods saw it.

paoloh

8,617 posts

233 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Tricky IMO.

I suppose it has to be a judgement call on the mods part.

has anyone experienced the same BMW wheel failure?

That question could be classed as naming and shaming.... but IMO not.

Chandlers BMW are ragged my new M3, that is naming and shaming IMO

Stuart

11,639 posts

280 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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You're right that BMW GB could take action, but it usually tends to be smaller firms that take action, and usually because the case can be more clearly demonstrated. Since a successful claim for defamation requires evidence of consequential loss, it is easier for a smaller firm to show that this is the case in comparison to a national firm or very large dealer group.

We would rather we didn't have to censor stuff on PH, particularly when it adds to the debate or is genuinely useful for owners or potential owners. If we have to do it though, we'll stick to doing it in situations where there is a real threat of action being taken. Unfortunately we also HAVE to act once we've seen a thread, and a Mod doesn't really have the luxury of doing anything but remove all the potentially contentious references since failing to do so is effectively to repeat the libel (just the same as reprinting more than once in a magazine). The law tends to be reasonable if we can demonstrate that we haven't seen a comment or had it pointed out to us, but is much less forgiving if it can be demonstrated that we've failed to take action once it has been brought to our attention.

Boring stuff, but that's what I have to spend my days worrying about. rolleyes

Mattt

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16,664 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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I bet your Mrs is happy with you working on a Sunday night wink

So there isn't a clear line then!