P-13...

[Tony 1234]

Doesn't look like it'll be as fast as the standard 991Turbo unfortunately with 450 bhp

[johnnyreggae]

Do I sense a Porsche owner going defensive to a car that has not even been announced yet !!!

[Tony 1234]

johnnyreggae said:

Do I sense a Porsche owner going defensive to a car that has not even been announced yet !!!

Doh!, Well I was hoping for circa 550 bhp to justify me changing brand

[Peloton25]

Automotive magazines have a generally poor track record of predicting the future this far out. Let's not forget what AutoCar originally suggested the P1 would look like:



I struggle to see almost any resemblance.

>8^)
ER

[m444ttb]

How times don't change! I was thumbing through my copy of Driving Ambition and the 'renderings' of the F1 the car magazine came up with were just as way off.

[Peloton25]

I still vividly remember my first exposure to the F1 project in a US car magazine showed it having a large glass canopy-style roof that opened like a clamshell to allow entry. I am pretty sure it is one of the images shown in DA.

The latest concept sketches being floated for the P13 in recent months don't even appear to even be of the same car.

>8^)
ER

[ajprice]

Well played, adverts, well played

[s2000db]

So any more news on this?

My last recollection, was that this was going to be aimed at beating the Porsche turbo iirc...

Now that the GT3 has finally hit the road, without any problems, has this given Mac a problem with configuring its performance, in relation to perhaps the 650S?

[johnnyreggae]

s2000db said:

So any more news on this?

Two versions a couple of months ago :

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/McLaren-P13-che...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-sho...

[davidexige]

I had a very interesting chat with someone where I was informed the P13 will come in two flavours, one a little more hard core than the other. It will look a little like the Aventador from the front and a little like the P1 from the rear. I seem to remember scissor doors also being mentioned. The price quoted was starting from 120k.

Edited by davidexige on Friday 18th July 20:53

[s2000db]

So how are they going to make these cars better than the competition (Turbo/GT3) as Ron proclaimed, without pissing off 650S owners?

[LukeyLikey]

Smaller size, lower weight? 450 bhp with 1.1 tonne weight would be great. Would mean a car with fewer fripperies but that leaves the 650 in a different place, even if its performance is only marginally ahead of the P13.

Would be a great car and should sell well - plus offers a very different experience to a 911TT, which is now very heavy. Sort of like a 'grown up' Alfa 4C. Maybe.

[Carl_Docklands]

In short, they don't need to beat the turbo in terms of either straight line speed or track times to make buyers run to the p13.

Fact is Porsche have opened the door for a beating on potential and current turbo owners by making the 991 turbo the ugliest and heaviest 911 ever made. In every way apart from track times it is a dissapointment.

They just need to make the p13 look good, sound good and with just enough speed to make your balls tingle and it will sell like hot cakes.

The 991 GT3 has the engine and track performance to murder pretty much everything, but it's hampered by its 991 bread van like shell and interior borrowed from a BMW.

Beating these cars from a desirability point of view is not going to be hard for mclaren to do, question is the price. At what cost are they aiming for, that's where I worry. I reckon it will go up against the cayman GT4 in terms of desirability and performance and end up costing double ala GT3 and 650s.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Monday 21st July 16:38

[GRBF430F1]

Presumably its going to be a twin turbo so for starters its not going to sound good.

I can only see the last of the normally aspirated supercars becoming collector items