12C advice please

[anissut]

Am seriously considering a 12C and prices still seem to be softening.

Do you think there is a difference of 7-10k between a 2011 car and a 2012 car on the basis all upgrades, IRIS etc. have been done?

Also, how comprehensive is McLaren warranty? Does it cover everything as per a Porsche/Ferrari warranty?

If a car didn't have the following options is it worth worrying about:

Sports Exhaust
Carbon Fibre Interior
Carbon fibre engine cover
Lightweight wheels
Other carbon fibre exterior bits

Does anyone see these dropping under a 100k if mileage is sensible?

Thanks.

[isaldiri]

anissut said:

Am seriously considering a 12C and prices still seem to be softening.

Do you think there is a difference of 7-10k between a 2011 car and a 2012 car on the basis all upgrades, IRIS etc. have been done?

Also, how comprehensive is McLaren warranty? Does it cover everything as per a Porsche/Ferrari warranty?

If a car didn't have the following options is it worth worrying about:

Sports Exhaust
Carbon Fibre Interior
Carbon fibre engine cover
Lightweight wheels
Other carbon fibre exterior bits

Does anyone see these dropping under a 100k if mileage is sensible?

Thanks.

Sports exhaust and cf interior can be retrofitted if you wish easily enough. Wheels too but they are quite pricey.

manufacturer warranty is pretty comprehensive, covers all bar wear and tear items. The extended one i have no idea yet....

[GRBF430F1]

I don't see softening prices TBH. Its off season and prices may rebound by Spring but they have been static for a while now so it will depend on dealers stock position and how long he has had it and what it owes him. They won't want to sell for a loss in February when spring is not so far away but might want to reduce stock holding now.
2011 year cars will be out of the 3 year manufacturers warranty now and I usually associate a £10k difference for a year newer.

Looking at the spec missing it sounds a very basic car so hence the attractive price I'm guessing.

Don't see these cars going sub £100k for a while when F430 prices are so strong. Its a lot more car and performance for your money

[anissut]

GRBF430F1 said:

I don't see softening prices TBH. Its off season and prices may rebound by Spring but they have been static for a while now so it will depend on dealers stock position and how long he has had it and what it owes him. They won't want to sell for a loss in February when spring is not so far away but might want to reduce stock holding now.
2011 year cars will be out of the 3 year manufacturers warranty now and I usually associate a £10k difference for a year newer.

Looking at the spec missing it sounds a very basic car so hence the attractive price I'm guessing.

Don't see these cars going sub £100k for a while when F430 prices are so strong. Its a lot more car and performance for your money

McLaren are now offering extended warranties for circa £3500, you just need to buy it. I'm guessing the extended warranty should be pretty comprehensive at that kind of money. Considering it's a circa 200k supercar I don't think £3500 is too bad.

[ferdi p]

Sports exhaust, Stealth pack & carbon interior was a must for me as it's so bloody expensive to retrofit!

[breadvan]

Carbon interior and wheel upgrade are the two most important options according to the trade. Colour also plays a huge part in desirability, if not outright price.

2012 cars are better but with age/mileages growing I guess it's less important than it was, would I pay a £10k premium? yes, I did.

Will they drop to below £100K? No chance. As we all know 2015 is a big year for McLaren - the 540S/570S; halo models for the 650S; and ever improving dealership network, etc. I think its a good to buy (but then I would say that...........).

[propaganda]

If you buy used from the dealer network I believe they give you a two year warranty.

My 12c has standard wheels & non carbon interior - looks good to me. However you must make up your own mind regarding spec. I would not pay well over the odds for a car just to get every bell and whistle if you really do not absolutely need the extras as you will pay for it on exit. TBH sports exhaust is a bit meh..does not make a huge difference to the driver, although perhaps a bystander at the roadside may be impressed. Definitely not a Ferrari/Maserati sound in the cabin. If possible I would try and get a car with IRIS 2 already fitted as IRIS1 was complete and utter rubbish. To my mind IRIS 1 was the main achilles heel of the 12c once some of the initial gremlins were sorted out. Great car otherwise

Edited by propaganda on Saturday 3rd January 23:28

[Mermaid]

breadvan said:

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Will they drop to below £100K? No chance. As we all know 2015 is a big year for McLaren - the 540S/570S; halo models for the 650S; and ever improving dealership network, etc. I think its a good to buy (but then I would say that...........).

Modern day NSX?

[Wilmslowboy]

anissut said:

Am seriously considering a 12C and prices still seem to be softening.

Does anyone see these dropping under a 100k if mileage is sensible?

Thanks.

2011, sensible milage cars available from McLaren at sub £120k , With all software upgrades and 12 months warranty (modest spec).

This would surely put an out of warranty, "high" miles, private sale close to £100k ???

[isaldiri]

Mermaid said:

Modern day NSX?

No chance imo. The NSX was a genuine game changer in the sports car segment. The 12c is hugely capable but will never be regarded in the same way.

[breadvan]

isaldiri said:

Mermaid said:

Modern day NSX?

No chance imo. The NSX was a genuine game changer in the sports car segment. The 12c is hugely capable but will never be regarded in the same way.

Interesting, at anything close to £100K, I think it would be.

Plus, the pool of would-be buyers grows exponentially with every £5k price drop.

The bottom of the market is close if not already there, wait until spring if you don't believe me..........

Once on the market, the cheapest 540S will be atleast £150K, making the 12C look great value, I think.

[isaldiri]

breadvan said:

Interesting, at anything close to £100K, I think it would be.

Plus, the pool of would-be buyers grows exponentially with every £5k price drop.

The bottom of the market is close if not already there, wait until spring if you don't believe me..........

Once on the market, the cheapest 540S will be atleast £150K, making the 12C look great value, I think.

The values are what they are and i am long past worrying about values for better or worse, the relevance vs the NSX was more the impact the car had overall.

Btw genuine question, what's a 540S....? Or 570S you mentioned earlier?

[breadvan]

isaldiri said:

The values are what they are and i am long past worrying about values for better or worse, the relevance vs the NSX was more the impact the car had overall.

Btw genuine question, what's a 540S....? Or 570S you mentioned earlier?

I thought the 12C had a similar impact, it did for me, I knew 4 years ago the Mclaren was the only car for me, I didn't even drive a Ferrari of Lambo or anything else.

540/570 is the best guess at P13's name.

[ferdi p]

Wilmslowboy said:

2011, sensible milage cars available from McLaren at sub £120k , With all software upgrades and 12 months warranty (modest spec).

This would surely put an out of warranty, "high" miles, private sale close to £100k ???

I don't think so...

I see plenty of 'high end' cars for sale at dealers for 120k but rarely see a similar spec private car for sale at 20k less!! I would have thought 100k would be a trade bid & 110k would be a fair private sale price...

[isaldiri]

breadvan said:

I thought the 12C had a similar impact, it did for me, I knew 4 years ago the Mclaren was the only car for me, I didn't even drive a Ferrari of Lambo or anything else.

540/570 is the best guess at P13's name.

Well the NSX was the first mass produced aluminium car i think and was reliable and usable way above any other comparable sports car of it's day plus the best handling one. It was a genuine gamechanger in the sector for all those reasons. The 12c is a car i really like a lot but you couldn't really in any way say it was a game changer compared to the 458 apart from the carbon tub ( now offered by the alfa 4c at less than 1/3rd the price).

P13, those hp figures sound high i have to say and would make it hard to differentiate vs the 650.... Still i hear it will be launched by mid year (not Geneva but one of those shortly after) so we will find out soon enough.

[Wilmslowboy]

ferdi p said:

I don't think so...

I see plenty of 'high end' cars for sale at dealers for 120k but rarely see a similar spec private car for sale at 20k less!! I would have thought 100k would be a trade bid & 110k would be a fair private sale price...

So it looks like some of the best cars, at the best value are with Mclaren dealers ???

£10k seems a modest premium to pay to buy a full qualified, warranted car from a 'franchised mclaren dealership' over a private sale...

[GRBF430F1]

Trade bids for basic early higher mileage cars may well be £100k at the moment but they are factoring in low demand and high stocking periods to sell them especially over winter. Come April I can see the prices rebounding

With F430 prices being strong and rising it has to have a knock on effect to the 12C which is far more car IMHO.
Again if the P13 ( 540S ) is a £150k car a lightly used well specced 12C is going to look good value at £120k

The depreciation curve has slowed severely on these cars after a massive initial hit to 1st owners and could almost be at rock bottom if you negotiate hard on a long in the tooth stock unit at a dealer now

[ferdi p]

Wilmslowboy said:

So it looks like some of the best cars, at the best value are with Mclaren dealers ???

£10k seems a modest premium to pay to buy a full qualified, warranted car from a 'franchised mclaren dealership' over a private sale...

Correct, it's still a niche car & it's the dealers that will benefit. I personally believe they'll be difficult to sell privately so finding a 100k 12c will be quite tough for a good while yet IMO...

[gregf40]

I owned one for a while when they first came out and loved it - they are fantastic cars.

As others have said - based on 430 and Gallardo values - this isn't going to be under 100k anytime soon!

[anissut]

Thanks for all the tips and advice.

One thing I need some clarification on though. Everyone keeps telling me to buy from a McLaren dealer. BUT, if the car is a 2012 car onwards then the car is still under manufacturer warranty so what is the benefit of directly buying from McLaren? Do you get better support and service after purchase if you have bought from McLaren directly? Seems a bit ridiculous to me if that is the case as McLaren should support any car fully with the best customer service as long as it is still under warranty and regardless of where it is purchased from.

Thoughts?