650s at BMW garage, avoid?

[RSbandit]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

This car looks bloody lovely and priced at the lower end but not sure what BMW someone would have traded this in for? I remember a friend of mine enquired after a V10 R8 the same garage had a few months ago and there were various issues and service history gaps with that car. I remember a few months back when 650 spiders were listed around £120k and thought they were starting to look interesting. Guess this needs a warranty which will be 4/5k? They also have a nice 570s at the same price level... Anyway bored here constantly browsing the classifieds!

[12pack]

Well it’s an early year, but apart from that sure ticks all the boxes. Has the tech package with lift and reversing camera, and the sports exhaust. About 20k cheaper than the one that I picked up a year or so ago, but 2 years older and no manuf warranty (mine came with 2 years).
Keep in mind, if you’re thinking of part ex-ing the V12S (if I remember your posts right), the Aston is probably depreciating just as fast. Certainly my V12V is.

[39sl]

I can’t open the link on my device (my issue rather than the link) but I assume that is BMW Tamworth ?
If so, it’s not a p/ex, one of their team buys in non BMW brands and they sell them on ... they had a low priced 540c in a couple of weeks ago as well as a diverse collection of others cars ... Range Rovers, Rollers etc.
I’d suggest a visit, pleasure to deal with and although I didn’t end up buying a car, I’d happily buy the right car from them

Steve

Just to add, they are part of the same group as Mclaren Manchester so it’s possible they are sourcing some stock through them

Edited by 39sl on Sunday 21st July 10:37

[RSbandit]

Thanks good to know. Been keeping an eye on the V12VS mkt too and don't seem to be many cars sub 80k ( I paid a tad over that early last yr for mine) of course a trade bid would prob be low 70s if I was lucky... Cost to change is key. If course when you compare to the equivalent 458 spider they're at least 50k more that's a chunk of money for 'heritage' and a better sound engine and alot of warranty cover!

[355spiderguy]

Thats a pretty good spec 650 spider and a really good price...loads of carbon and all the essentials that you want and require.

You really want to be getting it back into a warranty...for a McLaren one it will require possibly a service but almost certainly an inspection, and for them to sign of for the warranty they will be very anal for checking everything to ensure they don't get caught out on a previous undiagnosed issue...and anything they do find they shall want you to pony up the cost for remedy on top of the inspection and 5th yr warranty cost which is an increase on the 3rd & 4th year costs which are around £3800.

It's definitely better to buy a car already with a McLaren warranty in place and renew before expiry.

Every chance the warranty that is being offered with the car may be limited in cover and payout level.

It is cheap so that offsets the outlay that i have mentioned above.

If it has come from their McLaren side you would have to wonder why they decided not to get it to warranty spec, put a warranty on it and retail...however i am sure if it is part of the same group you could squeeze them to get it back to Mclaren and get the warranty on it within the deal.

With regard to the prices of 12c & 650s spiders comparing bang for buck, its an absolute no brainer...there is nothing out there that can offer ease of use, relatively practical, looks, presence, pace and feel good factor of ownership...that was a circa £265k car when new 5 yrs ago.

[Juno]

Looks very nice and a lot of car for the money,if you’re doing low miles do you really need a warranty?

[e12mat]

Lovely example in terms of spec. Very tempted by a 650S as my next car.

Considering the low mileage the carbon discs look well used.

Appreciate it’s a different brand but my R8 has 3x the mileage and still look new, would it be possible to have them weighed / inspected ahead of purchase.

[12pack]

RSbandit said:

Thanks good to know. Been keeping an eye on the V12VS mkt too and don't seem to be many cars sub 80k ( I paid a tad over that early last yr for mine) of course a trade bid would prob be low 70s if I was lucky... Cost to change is key. If course when you compare to the equivalent 458 spider they're at least 50k more that's a chunk of money for 'heritage' and a better sound engine and alot of warranty cover!

And the 458, despite all the great press, is not in the same performance league. And the 458 spider feels its weight and moves the coupe’s twitchiness well into the unpleasant zone. Try one and you’ll see what I mean. I’d rather keep the V12Vs.

[355spiderguy]

Juno said:

Looks very nice and a lot of car for the money,if you’re doing low miles do you really need a warranty?

That's the roll of the dice...

It was something i thought about before buying...would i keep the McLaren warranty going after it expired or put the warranty cost into another bank account and see if your lucky...

Mines turns 4 in October and on this occasion i am extending...see what happens in the next year although i most likely shall continue just for peace of mind during ownership and to make things a bit easier when selling.

If i buy 24months warranty when due in October there is a £1000 saving over buying this year then next year.

I personally am at ease with the cost of the warranty...i used to spend around that on the previous Ferraris on age issues, wear and tare and preventative maintenance yearly, so to spend it on a bullet proof warranty sits ok.

That's a great car at a great price, and i imagine that very shortly someone on here shall pop up as the new owner.

[RSbandit]

12pack said:

And the 458, despite all the great press, is not in the same performance league. And the 458 spider feels its weight and moves the coupe’s twitchiness well into the unpleasant zone. Try one and you’ll see what I mean. I’d rather keep the V12Vs.

Yeah Im not considering a 458 spider as they are way too expensive and overall technically inferior to a 650S I just wanted to compare them price wise and I was shocked at the difference.

[355spiderguy]

RSbandit said:

Yeah Im not considering a 458 spider as they are way too expensive and overall technically inferior to a 650S I just wanted to compare them price wise and I was shocked at the difference.

In my opinion, very much sooner rather than later, 458s, especially spiders, are going to have a large price correction.

As great a car as they are, they were mass produced, are getting on a bit and are very, very expensive to buy...as was mentioned, when something like a 650spider is £50k cheaper and a generation ahead its very hard to feel confident that premium is in the right place.

The top gear episode from 2013 comparing the 458 spider, 12c spider and R8 V10 spider was actually on the telly today; its ridiculous when now a 12c spider can be had for around £70k less than the 458 spider when even back then the 650 predecessor by Clarksons admission spanked the 458 in areas apart from it being a Ferrari.

To be fair, all 3 of them cars are outstanding and would be a privilege to own.

12c spider and 650 spiders are a bargain for what they offer...probably even more mad that the R8 V10 spider is another saving of £20-30k on the 12c spider...

[cgt2]

Select retails cars that are not up to franchise standard, otherwise their McLaren dealer would be selling this. May not mean anything wrong but for whatever reason (even warranty/prep cost) it's being sold by Select.

[RSbandit]

Yep R8 V10s are also great value for money at a lower price point...Im more of a bang for buck guy which is why I doubt I'll ever own a Ferrari or Porsche as they look expensive compared to other marques ( currently at least). Back to the 650s some good points raised above on this car and the inspection that could lead to more costs before warranty is put on the car. I ran a V10 plus for 2 yrs after having warranty for first yr and same with my Vantage, I like to get to know the car with warranty protection and then run for second yr without as I'm more confident the car is sound (touch wood!). A Mclaren might be different although my mileage is no more than 5k a yr in cars like this. Interesting point on the ceramics looking used wonder what the history of the car is. TBH I had my mind set when time to change comes on a 570S at close to this price point. GVE london have a lovely black 17 plate with track pack that's dropped 15k since early June! But then seeing a mint well specced ( at least from the pics) 650s at this level is a tempting proposition albeit with potential extra spend to get it warrantied fully. For me I keep a close eye on the mkt a few months before I plan on changing ( gotta love auto trader alerts and filters) so I have a good feel for prices and then when the good value cars pops up I can spot it quickly.

[akadk]

Audi ceramics are different to McL

Simple method to test them. Run your finger down the face of the disc, if it’s glass smooth they are fine...if they are like sandpaper they are foooooked

[noble3r]

whiIst I accept you should be cautious when purchasing any car - we do have great protection under the consumer rights act 2015 (when purchasing from a motor trader) This acts as a the best warranty for any car for the first 6 months.

The market is flooded with these sports cars. The new supercar (unobtainable by definition for most) are now 300k>. I've also never seen sooo many built HyperCard.

[39sl]

OP: A quick search shows the car was with GC early in 2018 for £142K...decent video here with the car from 1.47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_43YVq45Us

Edited by 39sl on Monday 22 July 09:12

[Juno]

cgt2 said:

Select retails cars that are not up to franchise standard, otherwise their McLaren dealer would be selling this. May not mean anything wrong but for whatever reason (even warranty/prep cost) it's being sold by Select.

It might just be that the BMW dealer took it in p/ex and he fancies keeping the profit!

Group sales managers do NOT work closely together,it’s a war

[WCZ]

355spiderguy said:

In my opinion, very much sooner rather than later, 458s, especially spiders, are going to have a large price correction.

As great a car as they are, they were mass produced, are getting on a bit and are very, very expensive to buy...as was mentioned, when something like a 650spider is £50k cheaper and a generation ahead its very hard to feel confident that premium is in the right place.

The top gear episode from 2013 comparing the 458 spider, 12c spider and R8 V10 spider was actually on the telly today; its ridiculous when now a 12c spider can be had for around £70k less than the 458 spider when even back then the 650 predecessor by Clarksons admission spanked the 458 in areas apart from it being a Ferrari.

To be fair, all 3 of them cars are outstanding and would be a privilege to own.

12c spider and 650 spiders are a bargain for what they offer...probably even more mad that the R8 V10 spider is another saving of £20-30k on the 12c spider...

the 458 is a classic and the 650s etc are relatively good value for money in terms of performance but the 458 has some something different as an experience imo and will always be a great car to drive

the other thing is more people who wanted one when they were younger can afford them now and aren't as interested in the replacements

I expect prices to remain firm

[RT964]

39sl said:

OP: A quick search shows the car was with GC early in 2018 for £142K...decent video here with the car from 1.47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_43YVq45Us

Edited by 39sl on Monday 22 July 09:12

I don't think that is the same car as the one in the GC Motors video has a reg of BX14KSV and looks to be up for sale at a dealer in Stockport:

https://www.ccspecialistcars.co.uk/used-mclaren-65...

And there are a couple of interesting finance quotes on it from earlier this month ...

https://www.scukcalculator.co.uk/quote/a188f899-34...

and

https://www.scukcalculator.co.uk/quote/80ced71d-01...

Couldn't see a reg plate for the Sytner car, so suppose there is a possibility it's the same one - they do look like peas in a pod !!

Edited by RT964 on Monday 22 July 13:28

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Edited by RT964 on Monday 22 July 13:35

[RSbandit]

39sl said:

OP: A quick search shows the car was with GC early in 2018 for £142K...decent video here with the car from 1.47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_43YVq45Us

That's some fine detective work...40 odd K down in yr and a bit but defo well specced car. Yeah ill prob reach out to the garage this week to do some digging.

Edited by 39sl on Monday 22 July 09:12