Why do McLarens Polarise Opinion
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So why do McLarens polarise opinion more than other car Marques?
Over the past few weeks anyone visiting some McLaren threads on PH would have seen some pretty heated debates which probably would have ended in a punch up in the pub. Are McLaren owners arrogant, no I don’t think so! Passionate, almost certainly
But why over McLaren !!! It has almost become tribal, like football supporters who hate opposition teams for no good reason and chant obscenities
Accurate debate on anything is imo positive but debating inaccurate information is a complete waste of time . McLaren have for different reasons attracted the attention of different Car buyers and not least the price point at which you can get into one. This means I imagine that people who wouldn’t be in the market for a Lambo or Ferrari because of their cost can actually afford a far better spec Mac, for Lotus and Porsche money . Is this good ! Possibly not for the poor devils who paid top dollar for their Mac but for the non multi millionaires, it’s fantastic .
McLaren have their fair share of issues but as drivers cars rather than as show cars they are brilliant machines.
The point is it is easy to post on PH which is a positive but also allows posts which are garbage and unless they are offensive the Mods will not intervene. Winding people up with inaccurate dribble because no one knows who you are is also pathetic but posting accurate information controversial or not is a good thing whether it shows McLaren in a good or a bad light
The anonymity of the forum does allow trolling and I do feel that a stand has to be made on those who refuse to participate in accurate debate and just wish to cause mischief.
But free speech is everything and not everyone likes McLaren and that’s a good thing. As someone who has played Rugby for too many years you might not like the opposition, particularly if you get nailed at the bottom of a ruck but afterwards they buy you a beer .
I wouldn’t necessarily buy another Porsche but I can fully admire their engineering and sporty excellence and can comment on them constructively without rubbishing their brand
Over the past few weeks anyone visiting some McLaren threads on PH would have seen some pretty heated debates which probably would have ended in a punch up in the pub. Are McLaren owners arrogant, no I don’t think so! Passionate, almost certainly
But why over McLaren !!! It has almost become tribal, like football supporters who hate opposition teams for no good reason and chant obscenities
Accurate debate on anything is imo positive but debating inaccurate information is a complete waste of time . McLaren have for different reasons attracted the attention of different Car buyers and not least the price point at which you can get into one. This means I imagine that people who wouldn’t be in the market for a Lambo or Ferrari because of their cost can actually afford a far better spec Mac, for Lotus and Porsche money . Is this good ! Possibly not for the poor devils who paid top dollar for their Mac but for the non multi millionaires, it’s fantastic .
McLaren have their fair share of issues but as drivers cars rather than as show cars they are brilliant machines.
The point is it is easy to post on PH which is a positive but also allows posts which are garbage and unless they are offensive the Mods will not intervene. Winding people up with inaccurate dribble because no one knows who you are is also pathetic but posting accurate information controversial or not is a good thing whether it shows McLaren in a good or a bad light
The anonymity of the forum does allow trolling and I do feel that a stand has to be made on those who refuse to participate in accurate debate and just wish to cause mischief.
But free speech is everything and not everyone likes McLaren and that’s a good thing. As someone who has played Rugby for too many years you might not like the opposition, particularly if you get nailed at the bottom of a ruck but afterwards they buy you a beer .
I wouldn’t necessarily buy another Porsche but I can fully admire their engineering and sporty excellence and can comment on them constructively without rubbishing their brand
Rocketreid said:
So why do McLarens polarise opinion more than other car Marques?
Over the past few weeks anyone visiting some McLaren threads on PH would have seen some pretty heated debates which probably would have ended in a punch up in the pub. Are McLaren owners arrogant, no I don’t think so! Passionate, almost certainly
But why over McLaren !!! It has almost become tribal, like football supporters who hate opposition teams for no good reason and chant obscenities
Accurate debate on anything is imo positive but debating inaccurate information is a complete waste of time . McLaren have for different reasons attracted the attention of different Car buyers and not least the price point at which you can get into one. This means I imagine that people who wouldn’t be in the market for a Lambo or Ferrari because of their cost can actually afford a far better spec Mac, for Lotus and Porsche money . Is this good ! Possibly not for the poor devils who paid top dollar for their Mac but for the non multi millionaires, it’s fantastic .
McLaren have their fair share of issues but as drivers cars rather than as show cars they are brilliant machines.
The point is it is easy to post on PH which is a positive but also allows posts which are garbage and unless they are offensive the Mods will not intervene. Winding people up with inaccurate dribble because no one knows who you are is also pathetic but posting accurate information controversial or not is a good thing whether it shows McLaren in a good or a bad light
The anonymity of the forum does allow trolling and I do feel that a stand has to be made on those who refuse to participate in accurate debate and just wish to cause mischief.
But free speech is everything and not everyone likes McLaren and that’s a good thing. As someone who has played Rugby for too many years you might not like the opposition, particularly if you get nailed at the bottom of a ruck but afterwards they buy you a beer .
I wouldn’t necessarily buy another Porsche but I can fully admire their engineering and sporty excellence and can comment on them constructively without rubbishing their brand
Well saidOver the past few weeks anyone visiting some McLaren threads on PH would have seen some pretty heated debates which probably would have ended in a punch up in the pub. Are McLaren owners arrogant, no I don’t think so! Passionate, almost certainly
But why over McLaren !!! It has almost become tribal, like football supporters who hate opposition teams for no good reason and chant obscenities
Accurate debate on anything is imo positive but debating inaccurate information is a complete waste of time . McLaren have for different reasons attracted the attention of different Car buyers and not least the price point at which you can get into one. This means I imagine that people who wouldn’t be in the market for a Lambo or Ferrari because of their cost can actually afford a far better spec Mac, for Lotus and Porsche money . Is this good ! Possibly not for the poor devils who paid top dollar for their Mac but for the non multi millionaires, it’s fantastic .
McLaren have their fair share of issues but as drivers cars rather than as show cars they are brilliant machines.
The point is it is easy to post on PH which is a positive but also allows posts which are garbage and unless they are offensive the Mods will not intervene. Winding people up with inaccurate dribble because no one knows who you are is also pathetic but posting accurate information controversial or not is a good thing whether it shows McLaren in a good or a bad light
The anonymity of the forum does allow trolling and I do feel that a stand has to be made on those who refuse to participate in accurate debate and just wish to cause mischief.
But free speech is everything and not everyone likes McLaren and that’s a good thing. As someone who has played Rugby for too many years you might not like the opposition, particularly if you get nailed at the bottom of a ruck but afterwards they buy you a beer .
I wouldn’t necessarily buy another Porsche but I can fully admire their engineering and sporty excellence and can comment on them constructively without rubbishing their brand
MAC 720S said:
Well said
+1As i have posted before, i have yet to see a post on the Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo forum made by a McLaren owner / enthusiast that has been negative, provocative or antagonistic.
I have no idea as to why this forum attracts these posts.
It does get tiring reading them and unfortunately sometimes you get a wee bit frustrated and 'bite..
Lately, the majority of posts have been about McLarens; buying, servicing and warranty works...all good and helpful info for current and future owners and also for the enthusiast that likes to know about McLarens.
Its definitely getting better around here.
I think possibly it’s because everyone really wants McLaren to succeed. Whether it’s blind patriotism or a genuine appreciation of their technical capabilities, we all want it to work.
I remember all the same frustrations first surfaced somewhere around 2013 and (correctly or not) McLaren have appeared arrogant and aloof to rectifying these.
I’m patiently waiting to buy another but with no obvious progress visible, l’m continuing to buy other brands.
The bickering on forums between current and past/future owners will continue until the manufacturer engages on a much more emotional level. That’s the stuff that’s important on here.
As this golden era for supercars comes to an end McLaren need to do something pretty quickly to alleviate the frustrations or I’m afraid to say, the future will be bleak.
I remember all the same frustrations first surfaced somewhere around 2013 and (correctly or not) McLaren have appeared arrogant and aloof to rectifying these.
I’m patiently waiting to buy another but with no obvious progress visible, l’m continuing to buy other brands.
The bickering on forums between current and past/future owners will continue until the manufacturer engages on a much more emotional level. That’s the stuff that’s important on here.
As this golden era for supercars comes to an end McLaren need to do something pretty quickly to alleviate the frustrations or I’m afraid to say, the future will be bleak.
Rocketreid said:
McLaren have for different reasons attracted the attention of different Car buyers
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’. In the MOC many owners have come via TVR, Lotus, Noble, GTR’s etc. Sure there are pistonheads amongst Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners but I think to a much greater degree than McLaren a significant proportion of owners in those brands are trophy hunters and Knightsbridge cruisers. The brand history of these owners is perhaps more likely high end saloons and SUV’s. I generalise but hopefully you get my drift..... a lot of the McLaren owners are true car nuts and are passionate (and defensive) about the brand and the performance the cars offer.
As for the hatters I am sure there are many reasons: Threat to their own favoured brand (especially where more paid for less performance), historic negative press re a few different concerns and issues, the design and styling doesn’t do it for some (wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all liked the same things) and clearly some vocal buyers have had poor experiences (some real, some just flippers that got caught out). And then a swell of negative sentiment promoted by some can grow... and the battles begin.
However since the launch of the Sport series in particular the number of McLaren owners has grown rapidly and as more true pistonheads and car nuts get to experience these amazing cars, and as many of the early car issues fade into history, hopefully the sentiment towards the brand will swing round.
[quote=Martin-G]
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’. In the MOC many owners have come via TVR, Lotus, Noble, GTR’s etc. Sure there are pistonheads amongst Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners but I think to a much greater degree than McLaren a significant proportion of owners in those brands are trophy hunters and Knightsbridge cruisers. The brand history of these owners is perhaps more likely high end saloons and SUV’s. I generalise but hopefully you get my drift..... a lot of the McLaren owners are true car nuts and are passionate (and defensive) about the brand and the performance the cars offer.
As for the hatters I am sure there are many reasons: Threat to their own favoured brand (especially where more paid for less performance), historic negative press re a few different concerns and issues, the design and styling doesn’t do it for some (wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all liked the same things) and clearly some vocal buyers have had poor experiences (some real, some just flippers that got caught out). And then a swell of negative sentiment promoted by some can grow... and the battles begin.
However since the launch of the Sport series in particular the number of McLaren owners has grown rapidly and as more true pistonheads and car nuts get to experience these amazing cars, and as many of the early car issues fade into history, hopefully the sentiment towards the brand will swing round.
An accurate depiction imo.
A lot of McLaren owners appear to drive their cars regularly and if the higher end track days are anything to go by they also use them on track.
This is not always the case for Lambo’s or Ferrari’s although you do see a smattering of them occasionally on track
I am sure other Supercar marque owners are no less passionate but i think McLarens are often used as intended and less likely to be revving their engines around central London. Besides they don’t really sound quite as good as The Italians imo. But they don’t really need to as they are superior in dynamics and speed
As stated many owners appear to have had other British drivers cars previously. This is possibly why they can put up with the many issues McLaren present them with.
I don’t think Mclarens issues will disappear overnight but as a range of drivers cars they really have no opposition
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’. In the MOC many owners have come via TVR, Lotus, Noble, GTR’s etc. Sure there are pistonheads amongst Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners but I think to a much greater degree than McLaren a significant proportion of owners in those brands are trophy hunters and Knightsbridge cruisers. The brand history of these owners is perhaps more likely high end saloons and SUV’s. I generalise but hopefully you get my drift..... a lot of the McLaren owners are true car nuts and are passionate (and defensive) about the brand and the performance the cars offer.
As for the hatters I am sure there are many reasons: Threat to their own favoured brand (especially where more paid for less performance), historic negative press re a few different concerns and issues, the design and styling doesn’t do it for some (wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all liked the same things) and clearly some vocal buyers have had poor experiences (some real, some just flippers that got caught out). And then a swell of negative sentiment promoted by some can grow... and the battles begin.
However since the launch of the Sport series in particular the number of McLaren owners has grown rapidly and as more true pistonheads and car nuts get to experience these amazing cars, and as many of the early car issues fade into history, hopefully the sentiment towards the brand will swing round.
An accurate depiction imo.
A lot of McLaren owners appear to drive their cars regularly and if the higher end track days are anything to go by they also use them on track.
This is not always the case for Lambo’s or Ferrari’s although you do see a smattering of them occasionally on track
I am sure other Supercar marque owners are no less passionate but i think McLarens are often used as intended and less likely to be revving their engines around central London. Besides they don’t really sound quite as good as The Italians imo. But they don’t really need to as they are superior in dynamics and speed
As stated many owners appear to have had other British drivers cars previously. This is possibly why they can put up with the many issues McLaren present them with.
I don’t think Mclarens issues will disappear overnight but as a range of drivers cars they really have no opposition
What an odd statement to make about Ferrari / Lambo owners - and as a Ferrari owner for 6 years (and another before that) one I disagree with.
I agree that McLarens seem to clock up more mileage and get used more as daily's - but personally, I think that's more to do with the cars than the owners. I've already detailed it elsewhere - but having test driven one yesterday with the intention to replace my Ferrari with it, I was surprised to find it wasn't "that sort of car". It would make a superb semi-daily car though, and my Ferrari wouldn't.
If you want polarised opinions and arguments, make statements along the lines of : McLaren owners are proper petrol heads that enjoy driving, and Ferrari / Lambo owners are posers who like a change from their Chelsea tractors........
I agree that McLarens seem to clock up more mileage and get used more as daily's - but personally, I think that's more to do with the cars than the owners. I've already detailed it elsewhere - but having test driven one yesterday with the intention to replace my Ferrari with it, I was surprised to find it wasn't "that sort of car". It would make a superb semi-daily car though, and my Ferrari wouldn't.
If you want polarised opinions and arguments, make statements along the lines of : McLaren owners are proper petrol heads that enjoy driving, and Ferrari / Lambo owners are posers who like a change from their Chelsea tractors........
Rocketreid said:
Martin-G said:
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’. In the MOC many owners have come via TVR, Lotus, Noble, GTR’s etc. Sure there are pistonheads amongst Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners but I think to a much greater degree than McLaren a significant proportion of owners in those brands are trophy hunters and Knightsbridge cruisers. The brand history of these owners is perhaps more likely high end saloons and SUV’s. I generalise but hopefully you get my drift..... a lot of the McLaren owners are true car nuts and are passionate (and defensive) about the brand and the performance the cars offer.
As for the hatters I am sure there are many reasons: Threat to their own favoured brand (especially where more paid for less performance), historic negative press re a few different concerns and issues, the design and styling doesn’t do it for some (wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all liked the same things) and clearly some vocal buyers have had poor experiences (some real, some just flippers that got caught out). And then a swell of negative sentiment promoted by some can grow... and the battles begin.
However since the launch of the Sport series in particular the number of McLaren owners has grown rapidly and as more true pistonheads and car nuts get to experience these amazing cars, and as many of the early car issues fade into history, hopefully the sentiment towards the brand will swing round.
An accurate depiction imo.
A lot of McLaren owners appear to drive their cars regularly and if the higher end track days are anything to go by they also use them on track.
This is not always the case for Lambo’s or Ferrari’s although you do see a smattering of them occasionally on track
I am sure other Supercar marque owners are no less passionate but i think McLarens are often used as intended and less likely to be revving their engines around central London. Besides they don’t really sound quite as good as The Italians imo. But they don’t really need to as they are superior in dynamics and speed
As stated many owners appear to have had other British drivers cars previously. This is possibly why they can put up with the many issues McLaren present them with.
I don’t think Mclarens issues will disappear overnight but as a range of drivers cars they really have no opposition
Good god. And you wonder why you can’t get on. The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’. In the MOC many owners have come via TVR, Lotus, Noble, GTR’s etc. Sure there are pistonheads amongst Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners but I think to a much greater degree than McLaren a significant proportion of owners in those brands are trophy hunters and Knightsbridge cruisers. The brand history of these owners is perhaps more likely high end saloons and SUV’s. I generalise but hopefully you get my drift..... a lot of the McLaren owners are true car nuts and are passionate (and defensive) about the brand and the performance the cars offer.
As for the hatters I am sure there are many reasons: Threat to their own favoured brand (especially where more paid for less performance), historic negative press re a few different concerns and issues, the design and styling doesn’t do it for some (wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all liked the same things) and clearly some vocal buyers have had poor experiences (some real, some just flippers that got caught out). And then a swell of negative sentiment promoted by some can grow... and the battles begin.
However since the launch of the Sport series in particular the number of McLaren owners has grown rapidly and as more true pistonheads and car nuts get to experience these amazing cars, and as many of the early car issues fade into history, hopefully the sentiment towards the brand will swing round.
An accurate depiction imo.
A lot of McLaren owners appear to drive their cars regularly and if the higher end track days are anything to go by they also use them on track.
This is not always the case for Lambo’s or Ferrari’s although you do see a smattering of them occasionally on track
I am sure other Supercar marque owners are no less passionate but i think McLarens are often used as intended and less likely to be revving their engines around central London. Besides they don’t really sound quite as good as The Italians imo. But they don’t really need to as they are superior in dynamics and speed
As stated many owners appear to have had other British drivers cars previously. This is possibly why they can put up with the many issues McLaren present them with.
I don’t think Mclarens issues will disappear overnight but as a range of drivers cars they really have no opposition
Some people want a car to drive
some people want a car in which to arrive
McLarens are for the drivers and petrol heads
Not for the poseurs and static engine revs
Put aside any niggles
Just enjoy the giggles
They don't sound as great
But that's no reason to hate
At the end of the day they are the fastest
When you drive on the road to Damascus
All the others they have to find fault
To justify their own is slower on asphalt
Each to their own
Don't be an Italian or German clone
Live life to the full
And don't be dyed in the wool
some people want a car in which to arrive
McLarens are for the drivers and petrol heads
Not for the poseurs and static engine revs
Put aside any niggles
Just enjoy the giggles
They don't sound as great
But that's no reason to hate
At the end of the day they are the fastest
When you drive on the road to Damascus
All the others they have to find fault
To justify their own is slower on asphalt
Each to their own
Don't be an Italian or German clone
Live life to the full
And don't be dyed in the wool
Martin-G said:
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’...
If you want an answer to the question then there's none better than the arrogant, superior tripe in this post. The vast majority of owners seem to be true ’pistonheads’...
355spiderguy said:
...As i have posted before, i have yet to see a post on the Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo forum made by a McLaren owner / enthusiast that has been negative, provocative or antagonistic...
You haven't looked very hard.What's really bizarre is that my conclusion yesterday was that the 650S was far less of a drivers car than I expected it to be, and less than my old Ferrari. It was the one thing that I really thought was missing - much like I felt about the 911 turbo I used to have. If it had that, I'd be part ex'ing my Ferrari now.
It seems really odd that it's being touted as the thing it has over Ferrari and Lambo's when I found completely the opposite.
I still love the cars, and I'd still like one. But I don't think I could replace the Ferrari with one, because when I want to "drive" the Ferrari does that better (for me).
Maybe I just drove it wrong........
It seems really odd that it's being touted as the thing it has over Ferrari and Lambo's when I found completely the opposite.
I still love the cars, and I'd still like one. But I don't think I could replace the Ferrari with one, because when I want to "drive" the Ferrari does that better (for me).
Maybe I just drove it wrong........
davek_964 said:
What's really bizarre is that my conclusion yesterday was that the 650S was far less of a drivers car than I expected it to be, and less than my old Ferrari. It was the one thing that I really thought was missing - much like I felt about the 911 turbo I used to have. If it had that, I'd be part ex'ing my Ferrari now.
It seems really odd that it's being touted as the thing it has over Ferrari and Lambo's when I found completely the opposite.
I still love the cars, and I'd still like one. But I don't think I could replace the Ferrari with one, because when I want to "drive" the Ferrari does that better (for me).
Maybe I just drove it wrong........
I don't think you did, I think everyone just likes different things. It seems really odd that it's being touted as the thing it has over Ferrari and Lambo's when I found completely the opposite.
I still love the cars, and I'd still like one. But I don't think I could replace the Ferrari with one, because when I want to "drive" the Ferrari does that better (for me).
Maybe I just drove it wrong........
I don't get the hate for McLaren. I've obviously got a vested interest, but it's sad that so many threads turn into a slagging match.
I think if McLaren could stop the free fall of residuals, many more people would be looking to buy.
And on the same note, I don't think cars like GT3s, 458s etc would be as popular as they are, if the depreciation matched McLaren's currently. All are brilliant cars and it's nice to have a choice.
justin220 said:
I think if McLaren could stop the free fall of residuals, many more people would be looking to buy.
And on the same note, I don't think cars like GT3s, 458s etc would be as popular as they are, if the depreciation matched McLaren's currently. All are brilliant cars and it's nice to have a choice.
That's a complicated one though - a bit chicken and egg. You could argue that the GT3s / 458s don't depreciate so much because they are popular.And on the same note, I don't think cars like GT3s, 458s etc would be as popular as they are, if the depreciation matched McLaren's currently. All are brilliant cars and it's nice to have a choice.
However - I certainly don't think that McLarens depreciate because they are "bad" cars. But I don't think McLaren help by trying to keep everything "McLaren" - in a used market, that's going to put a lot of people off.
justin220 said:
I don't get the hate for McLaren. I've obviously got a vested interest, but it's sad that so many threads turn into a slagging match.
I certainly don't hate them - I still want one. Just not to replace the car I thought I did - which means it's probably not possible to own both.I do think it's inevitable that if somebody starts a thread with the title this one has - and then adds to it saying that Ferrari and Lambo drivers are mostly posers who aren't really into cars - it's only going to go one way.
jtremlett said:
355spiderguy said:
...As i have posted before, i have yet to see a post on the Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo forum made by a McLaren owner / enthusiast that has been negative, provocative or antagonistic...
You haven't looked very hard.By all accounts post links up.
Apologies if i may of missed one or 2 if you do send links, but the point being made was until very recently, almost every McLaren thread was turned into negative, provocative or antagonistic.
I don't feel as though i need to post links to demonstrate.
To be fair, its probably around half a dozen posters that cause bother which most can readily identify due to their posts having no relevant topic content, the secret is to just rubber their non content posts...like they hadn't even posted.
Just had a quick look on the 'Senna Fire' thread...yet another of these posters is back.
It makes me think of the guys that have been politely asked to leave a boozer by doormen for hassling patrons with drunken ramblings that no-one inside is interested in as they are having a nice quiet pint...however, they hang about outside but keep coming back arguing their case to said doormen, missing the point that every bystander is willing them 'to just go home'.
These guys / gals may well be capable of making interesting, relevant and engaging posts but for some reason they choose not to.
I do post on other forums such as Ferrari, BMW etc, but it is only stuff that is relevant to the topic and in almost every case 1st hand experience.
Is that not normal behaviour?
Well, part of it has to be the way the Mac's deliver the performance.
Indeed when I was dipping my toes in the Mac pool I had concerns about turbocharging (throttle response/sound) and DCT (would I miss doing my own rev matching).
I've owned an F355 manual, routinely drive an Atom 3.5, and I still have what is described as a "raw/driver's car", but now that I've fully immersed myself in the Mac pool, I must say I really see the benefits - the carbon tub, relatively light weight, suspension that doesn't allow you to be bump steered off the line and true steering feel - over all else.
So for me - its all about the drive, and am usually on this forum pointing this out to naysayers based on my own my experience.
Indeed when I was dipping my toes in the Mac pool I had concerns about turbocharging (throttle response/sound) and DCT (would I miss doing my own rev matching).
I've owned an F355 manual, routinely drive an Atom 3.5, and I still have what is described as a "raw/driver's car", but now that I've fully immersed myself in the Mac pool, I must say I really see the benefits - the carbon tub, relatively light weight, suspension that doesn't allow you to be bump steered off the line and true steering feel - over all else.
So for me - its all about the drive, and am usually on this forum pointing this out to naysayers based on my own my experience.
Over defensive owners who cannot abide any criticism of the brand engaged fully in group think that 'Mclaren are always best' and perceive themselves as 'true drivers' compared to other marques combined with people who simply dislike Mclaren just because they are Mclaren (I never figured if it was some strange personal dislike of Ron Dennis despite most never ever having met him or whatever). Those 2 are never a good mix.
12pack said:
Well, part of it has to be the way the Mac's deliver the performance.
Indeed when I was dipping my toes in the Mac pool I had concerns about turbocharging (throttle response/sound) and DCT (would I miss doing my own rev matching).
I've owned an F355 manual, routinely drive an Atom 3.5, and I still have what is described as a "raw/driver's car", but now that I've fully immersed myself in the Mac pool, I must say I really see the benefits - the carbon tub, relatively light weight, suspension that doesn't allow you to be bump steered off the line and true steering feel - over all else.
So for me - its all about the drive, and am usually on this forum pointing this out to naysayers based on my own my experience.
How often do you use the 'raw' car? And how would you compare the two? (If it's still something like an atom, it's probably irrelevant but if it's something a bit more mainstream I'd be interested).Indeed when I was dipping my toes in the Mac pool I had concerns about turbocharging (throttle response/sound) and DCT (would I miss doing my own rev matching).
I've owned an F355 manual, routinely drive an Atom 3.5, and I still have what is described as a "raw/driver's car", but now that I've fully immersed myself in the Mac pool, I must say I really see the benefits - the carbon tub, relatively light weight, suspension that doesn't allow you to be bump steered off the line and true steering feel - over all else.
So for me - its all about the drive, and am usually on this forum pointing this out to naysayers based on my own my experience.
I'm not feeling the pull of McLaren any less this morning, but am still sure I wouldn't replace the Ferrari with one. But I am wondering if I can somehow fudge the numbers enough to replace the Aston with a 650 spider and keep the Ferrari - with a view to selling the Ferrari later if it wasn't getting used much.
davek_964 said:
I do think it's inevitable that if somebody starts a thread with the title this one has - and then adds to it saying that Ferrari and Lambo drivers are mostly posers who aren't really into cars - it's only going to go one way.
Except that's not what's been said is it? I just commentated on the 'owner mix' being different for different brands as I perceive it. Never mentioned 'mostly' which would change the context completely and agree would be both untrue and inflammatory. I also said there are plenty of pistonheads within the Italian brands. They all make stunning Supercars that each have their nuances and foibles that appeal or not to each of us individually and just as with any brand in any product (not just cars), different brands attract different customer bases, as well as those that are happy to own any of the brands.
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