570GTs, independent sellers and PPIs
Discussion
Im looking for a super sports/supercar in the £80-90k range and every so often I think about 570GTs and then get scared off by reading threads of them. However I'm probably overanalyzing things.
For example, this car: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2022090193...
It's been sitting for a while. Cheapest on the market. It states it has a McLaren warranty balance left. It's on ferrous brakes.
So in that case, why would I bother with a PPI? What's not covered by warranty that I need to be scared of? What won't McLaren easily honour?
570GTs just seem such good value Vs the cars at the top end of my interest (AMG GT R or 991 GT3).
Does the normal warranty from McL cover body corrosion? It's absurd we're in this position but 5 years corrosion is pitiful. Have they resolved the parts in subsequent years? Surely any replacement part will have rectified the issues? Either as a result of galvanic corrosion or poor panel prep. It's not in McLarens interest to keep paying out warranty rather than just fixing their body shop processes.
For example, this car: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2022090193...
It's been sitting for a while. Cheapest on the market. It states it has a McLaren warranty balance left. It's on ferrous brakes.
So in that case, why would I bother with a PPI? What's not covered by warranty that I need to be scared of? What won't McLaren easily honour?
570GTs just seem such good value Vs the cars at the top end of my interest (AMG GT R or 991 GT3).
Does the normal warranty from McL cover body corrosion? It's absurd we're in this position but 5 years corrosion is pitiful. Have they resolved the parts in subsequent years? Surely any replacement part will have rectified the issues? Either as a result of galvanic corrosion or poor panel prep. It's not in McLarens interest to keep paying out warranty rather than just fixing their body shop processes.
For the spec, that looks almost too cheap, which I suspect would make a few folks' Spidey senses tingle. The mileage isn't daft, so it's unlikely to be what's pulling the price down. If I were buying from an Independent, even with the McLaren warranty balance, I'd want it inspected as part of any deal just for peace of mind. There's plenty of info out there from the likes of Thorney, V and even REPerformance on the issues with the Sports series and how expensive they are to fix. You might be happy to buy as seen and rely on the warranty to sort any issues, but I suspect most folks would recommend someone like Thorney give it the once over.
Corrosion-wise, it seems hit or miss as to whether McLaren will cover any remedial works, but I'm not sure if a car bought out of the dealer network would be any easier or harder to make a claim on. YMMV, as they say!
The 570GT is an absolutely stonking car though, especially at the price point it is. Super capable on track, comfy enough as a tourer and useable as a daily, I don't regret buying one for a second. Best of luck!
Corrosion-wise, it seems hit or miss as to whether McLaren will cover any remedial works, but I'm not sure if a car bought out of the dealer network would be any easier or harder to make a claim on. YMMV, as they say!
The 570GT is an absolutely stonking car though, especially at the price point it is. Super capable on track, comfy enough as a tourer and useable as a daily, I don't regret buying one for a second. Best of luck!
Paint corrosion is covered for the first five years only, it's not affected by any extended warranty. So that's one thing for the PPI to check.
That car's been for sale since at least last September at that dealer. Somehow, no-one has bought it, which raises the question why. Do you get a PPI and find out before committing, or go in blind and find out later? For me the first thing with a PPI would be to check the car hasn't been crashed and poorly repaired, or the engine messed with, then expensive non-warranty issues (even the steel brakes aren't cheap to replace). It's not far from V Engineering, if I was seriously interested I'd get them to check it first. For a relatively small amount of money, why wouldn't you? Fwiw I found V much more informative than a main dealer PPI.
I echo Al's final point, the 570GT is practical enough for ten days across Europe two-up and fun enough to compel me to take it out just for a B-road blast. They're stonking value for a pukka mid-engined supercar, mainly due to the fear of the aforementioned issues which can be largely covered off if you find a good independent (or perhaps a good main dealer plus a warranty). Each time I lower myself into mine is a genuine pinch-myself moment
That car's been for sale since at least last September at that dealer. Somehow, no-one has bought it, which raises the question why. Do you get a PPI and find out before committing, or go in blind and find out later? For me the first thing with a PPI would be to check the car hasn't been crashed and poorly repaired, or the engine messed with, then expensive non-warranty issues (even the steel brakes aren't cheap to replace). It's not far from V Engineering, if I was seriously interested I'd get them to check it first. For a relatively small amount of money, why wouldn't you? Fwiw I found V much more informative than a main dealer PPI.
I echo Al's final point, the 570GT is practical enough for ten days across Europe two-up and fun enough to compel me to take it out just for a B-road blast. They're stonking value for a pukka mid-engined supercar, mainly due to the fear of the aforementioned issues which can be largely covered off if you find a good independent (or perhaps a good main dealer plus a warranty). Each time I lower myself into mine is a genuine pinch-myself moment
samoht said:
Paint corrosion is covered for the first five years only, it's not affected by any extended warranty. So that's one thing for the PPI to check.
That car's been for sale since at least last September at that dealer. Somehow, no-one has bought it, which raises the question why. Do you get a PPI and find out before committing, or go in blind and find out later? For me the first thing with a PPI would be to check the car hasn't been crashed and poorly repaired, or the engine messed with, then expensive non-warranty issues (even the steel brakes aren't cheap to replace). It's not far from V Engineering, if I was seriously interested I'd get them to check it first. For a relatively small amount of money, why wouldn't you? Fwiw I found V much more informative than a main dealer PPI.
I echo Al's final point, the 570GT is practical enough for ten days across Europe two-up and fun enough to compel me to take it out just for a B-road blast. They're stonking value for a pukka mid-engined supercar, mainly due to the fear of the aforementioned issues which can be largely covered off if you find a good independent (or perhaps a good main dealer plus a warranty). Each time I lower myself into mine is a genuine pinch-myself moment
All sensible. In terms of post 5 years; what sort of costs are there for replacing panels? I know Thorney offer a paint service but are the panels okay for repair or generally need replacing? Are the cars that have had new panels "good to go" and shouldn't have the early issues come up again?That car's been for sale since at least last September at that dealer. Somehow, no-one has bought it, which raises the question why. Do you get a PPI and find out before committing, or go in blind and find out later? For me the first thing with a PPI would be to check the car hasn't been crashed and poorly repaired, or the engine messed with, then expensive non-warranty issues (even the steel brakes aren't cheap to replace). It's not far from V Engineering, if I was seriously interested I'd get them to check it first. For a relatively small amount of money, why wouldn't you? Fwiw I found V much more informative than a main dealer PPI.
I echo Al's final point, the 570GT is practical enough for ten days across Europe two-up and fun enough to compel me to take it out just for a B-road blast. They're stonking value for a pukka mid-engined supercar, mainly due to the fear of the aforementioned issues which can be largely covered off if you find a good independent (or perhaps a good main dealer plus a warranty). Each time I lower myself into mine is a genuine pinch-myself moment
I really like the idea of the McLaren as it almost perfectly fits my check list:
- Special
- Fast
- Will support my OH and I on European trips
- Will be engaging enough to just want to take for a drive
- special powertrain (this is where this car might fall down compared to the GT R or the GT3 or even an R8 RWS)
But the issues are something that really sours it. I can afford it, but does that make the other cars just a better default option?
As said above I need to go drive all my options and pick my poison. Just with this option there's more to consider.
GroundEffect said:
All sensible. In terms of post 5 years; what sort of costs are there for replacing panels? I know Thorney offer a paint service but are the panels okay for repair or generally need replacing? Are the cars that have had new panels "good to go" and shouldn't have the early issues come up again?
I really like the idea of the McLaren as it almost perfectly fits my check list:
- Special
- Fast
- Will support my OH and I on European trips
- Will be engaging enough to just want to take for a drive
- special powertrain (this is where this car might fall down compared to the GT R or the GT3 or even an R8 RWS)
But the issues are something that really sours it. I can afford it, but does that make the other cars just a better default option?
As said above I need to go drive all my options and pick my poison. Just with this option there's more to consider.
McLaren V8 is a very special engine. Check its history. Derived from a Nissan race engine that Porsche envied I really like the idea of the McLaren as it almost perfectly fits my check list:
- Special
- Fast
- Will support my OH and I on European trips
- Will be engaging enough to just want to take for a drive
- special powertrain (this is where this car might fall down compared to the GT R or the GT3 or even an R8 RWS)
But the issues are something that really sours it. I can afford it, but does that make the other cars just a better default option?
As said above I need to go drive all my options and pick my poison. Just with this option there's more to consider.
Mine has been flawless over 12months and 6000 miles, awesome and engaging. I also used it to transport my builders tools and equipment to holland for a weeks work ... novel? yes, fun? Defo!
Mine is similar spec except it as cc brakes.
If you're worried about the ongoing costs get a Thorney warranty,... or buy from John,.,?
Mine is similar spec except it as cc brakes.
If you're worried about the ongoing costs get a Thorney warranty,... or buy from John,.,?
Question on garage sizing. I have a newish build house with single garage, therefore pretty insipid garage. It is 2450mm wide at the point the door would open. I've seen that 570s are ~2600mm with a single door fully open. What happens if you close the mirrors as well? Around 2550mm?
Is it reasonable to expect I can have the door 100mm less than fully open (in width) and be able to get out?
Is it reasonable to expect I can have the door 100mm less than fully open (in width) and be able to get out?
I have a McLaren, so certainly not scared of the brand! Love it in fact.
That car has been on sale for a while and the price has dropped a lot - so how long would the warranty be at this point? Either people are looking at it and don't want it, or they really don't want to be left holding it. Hard to tell.
08/11/2023 £69,995
23/10/2023 £71,495
27/09/2023 £73,795
10/09/2023 £74,995
15/06/2023 £79,995
17/04/2023 £84,495
05/04/2023 £84,995
16/03/2023 £86,495
That car has been on sale for a while and the price has dropped a lot - so how long would the warranty be at this point? Either people are looking at it and don't want it, or they really don't want to be left holding it. Hard to tell.
08/11/2023 £69,995
23/10/2023 £71,495
27/09/2023 £73,795
10/09/2023 £74,995
15/06/2023 £79,995
17/04/2023 £84,495
05/04/2023 £84,995
16/03/2023 £86,495
GroundEffect said:
I really like the idea of the McLaren as it almost perfectly fits my check list:
...
But the issues are something that really sours it. I can afford it, but does that make the other cars just a better default option?
For me it was a case of, which cars come with HPAS, it's not a very long list and thus it wasn't hard to choose a McLaren from it. But everyone cares about different things....
But the issues are something that really sours it. I can afford it, but does that make the other cars just a better default option?
GroundEffect said:
Question on garage sizing. I have a newish build house with single garage, therefore pretty insipid garage. It is 2450mm wide at the point the door would open. I've seen that 570s are ~2600mm with a single door fully open. What happens if you close the mirrors as well? Around 2550mm?
Is it reasonable to expect I can have the door 100mm less than fully open (in width) and be able to get out?
I think the 570 is 2660mm with mirrors and one door open. You only save about 50mm by folding the mirrors (they only pivot on their stalks, the stalks themselves don't move), so that brings you down to 2610mm perhaps.Is it reasonable to expect I can have the door 100mm less than fully open (in width) and be able to get out?
So you're short by 160mm plus whatever clearance you need on the other side, maybe 50mm if you back it in carefully? 210mm+ ?
The door comes out by a total of 565mm I think from the mirror position, so you're basically looking at getting it approximately halfway open. I think the door comes out roughly linearly as it opens, so half the clearance means halfway open.
I hate to be negative but it sounds like a squeeze, potentially about as awkward as leaving the door shut and climbing out of an open window?
All is not lost yet GroundEffect,
Have a look at Myparker.co.uk
I had a similar dilemma after getting an amg gts, I could get it in my garage but couldn’t open the door to get out, couldn’t extend my garage so looked at moving house LOL.
Eventually found the Myparker solution, had one fitted and it’s superb, park my car on the Myparker skid and lock the car up , it then gets pulled into my garage, I’ve had no issues since purchase around two years ago, let me know if you want any further info.
Have a look at Myparker.co.uk
I had a similar dilemma after getting an amg gts, I could get it in my garage but couldn’t open the door to get out, couldn’t extend my garage so looked at moving house LOL.
Eventually found the Myparker solution, had one fitted and it’s superb, park my car on the Myparker skid and lock the car up , it then gets pulled into my garage, I’ve had no issues since purchase around two years ago, let me know if you want any further info.
I will take a look at the myparker as I think many cars on my list will be a pig.
Anyway, I had another look at the garage tonight and there is a false wall made of plasterboard and a frame on one wall that doesn't need to be there. That would give me another 60mm. 2510mm total.
Can someone with a 570 answer:
- Does the door have indents or will only not fully and stay stable?
- how far open does the door need to be to get out and in?
- would a spider help? With my current Elise I just stand up and get out
Anyway, I had another look at the garage tonight and there is a false wall made of plasterboard and a frame on one wall that doesn't need to be there. That would give me another 60mm. 2510mm total.
Can someone with a 570 answer:
- Does the door have indents or will only not fully and stay stable?
- how far open does the door need to be to get out and in?
- would a spider help? With my current Elise I just stand up and get out
GroundEffect said:
I will take a look at the myparker as I think many cars on my list will be a pig.
Anyway, I had another look at the garage tonight and there is a false wall made of plasterboard and a frame on one wall that doesn't need to be there. That would give me another 60mm. 2510mm total.
Can someone with a 570 answer:
- Does the door have indents or will only not fully and stay stable?
- how far open does the door need to be to get out and in?
- would a spider help? With my current Elise I just stand up and get out
2510mm sounds a lot more promising to me.Anyway, I had another look at the garage tonight and there is a false wall made of plasterboard and a frame on one wall that doesn't need to be there. That would give me another 60mm. 2510mm total.
Can someone with a 570 answer:
- Does the door have indents or will only not fully and stay stable?
- how far open does the door need to be to get out and in?
- would a spider help? With my current Elise I just stand up and get out
There are no indents and you can leave the door at pretty much any arbitrary position and it'll stay there. If you put carpet / padding on the relevant bit of wall you could open the door until it's touching the garage wall for entry/exit.
Difficult to say the minimum opening required as it depends how flexible you are. You'll probably be crawling onto the ground to get out with the smallest opening.
Yes I think you could climb out of a Spider with the roof open fairly easily.
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