991 GT3 to 600LT for track days
Discussion
I’ve just dropped my 991 GT3 for a major service (including PDK) and a 12 month warranty extension, all of which is costing just shy of £5k.
It’s been a reliable car but on faster tracks such as Spa it does get outgunned on the straights, with the increased OPC rates, I’m considering something else that offers more performance for the running costs.
Has anyone gone from a 991 to a 600LT that uses it on multiple trackdays, somewhere in the region of 6-10 per year? How does it cope with regular track use? What are the running costs like?
I have a 650S Spider which is a 1000 miles per year garage queen so the servicing at V engineering is minimal, I’d be looking at a 600LT coupe with Sennas + harnesses.
It’s been a reliable car but on faster tracks such as Spa it does get outgunned on the straights, with the increased OPC rates, I’m considering something else that offers more performance for the running costs.
Has anyone gone from a 991 to a 600LT that uses it on multiple trackdays, somewhere in the region of 6-10 per year? How does it cope with regular track use? What are the running costs like?
I have a 650S Spider which is a 1000 miles per year garage queen so the servicing at V engineering is minimal, I’d be looking at a 600LT coupe with Sennas + harnesses.
I'm on a wats app group for 600LT owners and the guys who regularly track theirs seem very happy with them in terms of reliability and performance. It's a rocket ship on the road, fabulous handling and turn in etc. I think the only upgrade needed is pads and to watch oil temps, perhaps one of the owners will share their experiences. Only heard good things so far.
All the reviews I’ve read do note the 600LT has a lack of bite on the front end compared to a GT3. The lack of tyre on the front axle does raise a question about its ultimate on track balance how forgiving it is on track.
I’m not really looking for a challenge on high speed tracks, would prefer composure, balance and linear outputs.
The 991 doesn’t like to turn in that well and I do have one eye on the 992 GT3s as they seem to have sorted this. So I guess the real comparison is 992 GT3 v 600LT as after 3 years I’m ready to move the 991 on.
I’m not really looking for a challenge on high speed tracks, would prefer composure, balance and linear outputs.
The 991 doesn’t like to turn in that well and I do have one eye on the 992 GT3s as they seem to have sorted this. So I guess the real comparison is 992 GT3 v 600LT as after 3 years I’m ready to move the 991 on.
Babw said:
All the reviews I ve read do note the 600LT has a lack of bite on the front end compared to a GT3. The lack of tyre on the front axle does raise a question about its ultimate on track balance how forgiving it is on track.
I m not really looking for a challenge on high speed tracks, would prefer composure, balance and linear outputs.
The 991 doesn t like to turn in that well and I do have one eye on the 992 GT3s as they seem to have sorted this. So I guess the real comparison is 992 GT3 v 600LT as after 3 years I m ready to move the 991 on.
I think ultimately it depends on how you drive.... The M2s kept overtaking me on straights and then I was stuck behind them in corners in my 430 Challenge. The 600 will give you the burst to get past people, but not sure it will carry the speed in corners as a GT3 can, alas no clue, maybe they are amazing on narrow tyres - I will take the 675 to a track to find out eventuallyI m not really looking for a challenge on high speed tracks, would prefer composure, balance and linear outputs.
The 991 doesn t like to turn in that well and I do have one eye on the 992 GT3s as they seem to have sorted this. So I guess the real comparison is 992 GT3 v 600LT as after 3 years I m ready to move the 991 on.
Not exactly what the OP is looking for, but I actually had been tracking my 650 3-4 x per year until I got the Atom. Indeed front end grip was the limiter on track, but I simply added spacers which also improved the trail breaking balance. Throw in an asymmetric track geo and left-foot braking and there wasn t much that could carry speed into corners like it, much less keep up with that extra burst above 7K that the super series have.
Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 9th September 21:40
MDL111 said:
out of interest, are the LTs "undertyred" (not a word I think) for track work, I looked at the 675 and the tyres seem quite narrow, esp. the 235 fronts - I would have thought that might be a limiting factor?
people just fit 235 front and 305 rears on the 600LT without any issues.Have tracked my old 600LT and current 675LT alongside a 992 GT3 (manual not PDK). In my experience the GT3 is fairly bomb proof on track, terrific steering feel and feedback the only negative (and its a minor one) is the straight line grunt on bigger GP tracks, of course flip side it can carry serious speed through corners. I was using it in the UK and at the Ring this summer and on some very warm days it never got close to overheating.
The McLarens yes the front wheels are a little under-tyred so they can understeer when pressing on but like the Porsche the balance and steering feel is top drawer. Both cars are a hoot on track very fast and when the engine gets warmed up properly the cracks and pops give it real character. I had an issue with the thermostats in the 675 that caused it to overheat at the Ring but that's been sorted now (original stats were a known problem for the car). Tracked my 600 3/4 times a yr and it never overheated. The brake pads and discs could be an issue if you are doing more intensive track work (>8 days a yr ) but you could upgrade to Endless pads and Surface transform disks if you need better durability...would void a warranty tho so be aware. I don't 'modify ' or tinker with my cars so haven't tried wider tyres on either.
In summary if you want the more robust option for tracking it would be a 992 GT3 but away from the track and day to day the 600LT is more special imo (also brilliant on track but more expensive to run).
The McLarens yes the front wheels are a little under-tyred so they can understeer when pressing on but like the Porsche the balance and steering feel is top drawer. Both cars are a hoot on track very fast and when the engine gets warmed up properly the cracks and pops give it real character. I had an issue with the thermostats in the 675 that caused it to overheat at the Ring but that's been sorted now (original stats were a known problem for the car). Tracked my 600 3/4 times a yr and it never overheated. The brake pads and discs could be an issue if you are doing more intensive track work (>8 days a yr ) but you could upgrade to Endless pads and Surface transform disks if you need better durability...would void a warranty tho so be aware. I don't 'modify ' or tinker with my cars so haven't tried wider tyres on either.
In summary if you want the more robust option for tracking it would be a 992 GT3 but away from the track and day to day the 600LT is more special imo (also brilliant on track but more expensive to run).
I think you will struggle to match the mechanical grip that a GT3 gives in either 991 or 992 derivation.
The 600LT is as mentioned under tyred but this is easily solved with a different wheel/tyre set up.
I ran 720s wheels on mine with spacers and absolutely no issue with the rear, however 245’s up front may on full lock catch the arch liners
Mine didn’t and on track I did around 10 track days over 15 months with no issues other than rotors.
I should have gone Surface transforms but bought a new set of rotors to go on when i sold it.
Trick is to change pads out ( OEM seem most sympathetic ) before they get too low and always cool brakes down
The 600LT is as mentioned under tyred but this is easily solved with a different wheel/tyre set up.
I ran 720s wheels on mine with spacers and absolutely no issue with the rear, however 245’s up front may on full lock catch the arch liners
Mine didn’t and on track I did around 10 track days over 15 months with no issues other than rotors.
I should have gone Surface transforms but bought a new set of rotors to go on when i sold it.
Trick is to change pads out ( OEM seem most sympathetic ) before they get too low and always cool brakes down
200Plus Club said:
MDL111 said:
out of interest, are the LTs "undertyred" (not a word I think) for track work, I looked at the 675 and the tyres seem quite narrow, esp. the 235 fronts - I would have thought that might be a limiting factor?
people just fit 235 front and 305 rears on the 600LT without any issues.Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff