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Just watched Kryten's review of the above EV.
https://youtu.be/5kc3soIPQAg
The car itself reminds me of a 90's Dawoo or 00's Ssangyong. A collection of metal and plastic (mostly plastic) built to get to market as cheaply as possible to sell to miserly people that find logic in spending nearly £25k to save 50p a day for a few years.
His review is very amateurish, he's so biased towards EVs that when something is poor he resorts to joking about it rather than calling it out for what it is. I assume this keeps the channel in the manufacturers good books and they'll keep getting invited to the launch events.
To those people looking for the cheapest EV that approximates a normal car in looks and size, does this really appeal as an ownership proposition?
I know that all make me sound like an EV hater, but that's really not the case. I hate the race to bottom, in terms of price at the expense of quality. That charge port, yes it looks like he's putting the bungs back in upside down but it's still a catastrophically poor piece of design.
On a final note how have Mazda's lawyers not filed a copyright infringement? It's totally blatant.
https://youtu.be/5kc3soIPQAg
The car itself reminds me of a 90's Dawoo or 00's Ssangyong. A collection of metal and plastic (mostly plastic) built to get to market as cheaply as possible to sell to miserly people that find logic in spending nearly £25k to save 50p a day for a few years.
His review is very amateurish, he's so biased towards EVs that when something is poor he resorts to joking about it rather than calling it out for what it is. I assume this keeps the channel in the manufacturers good books and they'll keep getting invited to the launch events.
To those people looking for the cheapest EV that approximates a normal car in looks and size, does this really appeal as an ownership proposition?
I know that all make me sound like an EV hater, but that's really not the case. I hate the race to bottom, in terms of price at the expense of quality. That charge port, yes it looks like he's putting the bungs back in upside down but it's still a catastrophically poor piece of design.
On a final note how have Mazda's lawyers not filed a copyright infringement? It's totally blatant.
ChocolateFrog said:
A collection of metal and plastic (mostly plastic) built to get to market as cheaply as possible to sell to miserly people that find logic in spending nearly £25k to save 50p a day for a few years.
The car is approx 50% cheaper than the ekona a reasonably comparable EV crossover and it’s surprising it’s built to a a budget? It’s great value, so much so they sold more of these in a month than all the cars MG sold pretty much since it started selling cars in the UK EVs also aren’t just about saving ‘50p’ a day a lot of people buy a new car every 3-5 years and there are many factors that may make them decide to move to an EV; running costs, finite supply of oil, the massive environmental impact production and burning fossil fuels has, to stop supporting the morally bankrupt oil industry, the billions wasted on wars in the Middle East to control oil supply, the support of some pretty nasty country regimes because they produce oil, plus all the nutters running around in the Middle East who are supported by oil money.
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 16th October 04:55
Far worse child safety ratings in both head on and side collision than any of its cheap EV competition would really put me off personally, especially when you consider the majority of these are likely being bought for school runs etc.
It's also more than double the price of the ICE version of the car and the conversion looks to be a complete hatchet job based on that review and its 'quirks'
At average UK mileage it would take 10 years plus to save the difference through fuel and servicing costs?
It's also more than double the price of the ICE version of the car and the conversion looks to be a complete hatchet job based on that review and its 'quirks'
At average UK mileage it would take 10 years plus to save the difference through fuel and servicing costs?
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 16th October 08:09
Dave Hedgehog said:
ChocolateFrog said:
A collection of metal and plastic (mostly plastic) built to get to market as cheaply as possible to sell to miserly people that find logic in spending nearly £25k to save 50p a day for a few years.
The car is approx 50% cheaper than the ekona a reasonably comparable EV crossover and it’s surprising it’s built to a a budget? It’s great value, so much so they sold more of these in a month than all the cars MG sold pretty much since it started selling cars in the UK EVs also aren’t just about saving ‘50p’ a day a lot of people buy a new car every 3-5 years and there are many factors that may make them decide to move to an EV; running costs, finite supply of oil, the massive environmental impact production and burning fossil fuels has, to stop supporting the morally bankrupt oil industry, the billions wasted on wars in the Middle East to control oil supply, the support of some pretty nasty country regimes because they produce oil, plus all the nutters running around in the Middle East who are supported by oil money.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 16th October 04:55
SWoll said:
Far worse child safety ratings in both head on and side collision than any of its cheap EV competition would really put me off personally, especially when you consider the majority of these are likely being bought for school runs etc.
It's also more than double the price of the ICE version of the car and the conversion looks to be a complete hatchet job based on that review and its 'quirks'
At average UK mileage it would take 10 years plus to save the difference through fuel and servicing costs?
Remember EuroNCAP tests changed again a couple of years ago - particularly for rear occupants. They went from small kid test dummies in big cocooned seats to older kid dummies on basic boosters. The test was also of the ICE version with far less safety kit which counts for a lot in the points system they use. The BMW i3, Zoe, Model S, etc ratings are all from the old testing but don't get redone on the new one. It's also more than double the price of the ICE version of the car and the conversion looks to be a complete hatchet job based on that review and its 'quirks'
At average UK mileage it would take 10 years plus to save the difference through fuel and servicing costs?
As everyone comes up to a good standard the tests get revised to keep on pushing improvements. If you're replacing a >3 year old car then it may not have fared any better on the current tests. Remember the star rating is just for equivalent class cars, at the same time. A 5-star Renault Scenic from 2003 is not going to be safer than a 3-star ZS today.
I had a deposit on the ZS EV, it's good value for decent range, family sized car. I got my deposit back because there were good deals on the eGolf and I just prefer Golfs to fairly bland generic small SUVs. Plus the "quirks" - that charge port, no climate control or preheating, can't use roofbars unless you get the higher spec one with the rails but then you need to have the sweaty plastic leather, the 7 year warranty that excludes lots of things, etc etc. A couple of friends have deposits down and liked it after a test drive though and I think it'll work fine for them.
You may look at it as pure running costs, but I'm comfortable paying a premium for the other EV benefits - preheating, refinement, instant performance, air quality, not having to go to petrol stations twice a month, etc - which are only partially offset by the savings in fuel.
Edited by sjg on Wednesday 16th October 10:02
sjg said:
Remember EuroNCAP tests changed again a couple of years ago - particularly for rear occupants. They went from small kid test dummies in big cocooned seats to older kid dummies on basic boosters. The test was also of the ICE version with far less safety kit which counts for a lot in the points system they use. The BMW i3, Zoe, Model S, etc ratings are all from the old testing but don't get redone on the new one.
As everyone comes up to a good standard the tests get revised to keep on pushing improvements. If you're replacing a >3 year old car then it may not have fared any better on the current tests. Remember the star rating is just for equivalent class cars, at the same time. A 5-star Renault Scenic from 2003 is not going to be safer than a 3-star ZS today.
All I will add is that the ICE version in the bottom 10 for child safety of all cars rated in the past 3 years by NCAP. Additional safety assist systems don't affect that as have their own section.As everyone comes up to a good standard the tests get revised to keep on pushing improvements. If you're replacing a >3 year old car then it may not have fared any better on the current tests. Remember the star rating is just for equivalent class cars, at the same time. A 5-star Renault Scenic from 2003 is not going to be safer than a 3-star ZS today.
Edited by sjg on Wednesday 16th October 10:02
I test drove one. The drivetrain is decent, it's smooth and responsive. The interior isn't bad either, much better than you would expect from a car that price.
What lets it down is that it's a converted ICE. You don't get much EV specific stuff, can't even show the battery %. All you get is a very vague "fuel gauge" and bizarrely the battery voltage/current which is of very little use.
For the money it's incredible, and probably attractive to a lot of people coming form an ICE. For someone who likes all the EV specific stuff it might be a bit disappointing.
What lets it down is that it's a converted ICE. You don't get much EV specific stuff, can't even show the battery %. All you get is a very vague "fuel gauge" and bizarrely the battery voltage/current which is of very little use.
For the money it's incredible, and probably attractive to a lot of people coming form an ICE. For someone who likes all the EV specific stuff it might be a bit disappointing.
kuro68k said:
I test drove one. The drivetrain is decent, it's smooth and responsive. The interior isn't bad either, much better than you would expect from a car that price.
What lets it down is that it's a converted ICE. You don't get much EV specific stuff, can't even show the battery %. All you get is a very vague "fuel gauge" and bizarrely the battery voltage/current which is of very little use.
For the money it's incredible, and probably attractive to a lot of people coming form an ICE. For someone who likes all the EV specific stuff it might be a bit disappointing.
Thanks for sharing some useful experiences with the car.What lets it down is that it's a converted ICE. You don't get much EV specific stuff, can't even show the battery %. All you get is a very vague "fuel gauge" and bizarrely the battery voltage/current which is of very little use.
For the money it's incredible, and probably attractive to a lot of people coming form an ICE. For someone who likes all the EV specific stuff it might be a bit disappointing.
The fullycharged review is an incoherent mess, this is a much better one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=39HyeCaKjiQ
Thanks, a few decent replies and a few useless ones.
I'm fully aware of his presenting style. He pretends to be thick or lack knowledge, which is disingenuous, he knows full well what he's talking about. Not averse to a humorous review at all but it's so blatant what hes doing it just takes the piss.
For me, as someone who would never buy a new car but would seriously consider something like an early i3 now or a model S a few years down the line it actually makes things like the Honda EV seem much better value. £30k+ for the Honda seems ludicrous but in the context of £5k more than the MG EV it seems reasonable, you'd get that back in residuals alone.
I'm fully aware of his presenting style. He pretends to be thick or lack knowledge, which is disingenuous, he knows full well what he's talking about. Not averse to a humorous review at all but it's so blatant what hes doing it just takes the piss.
For me, as someone who would never buy a new car but would seriously consider something like an early i3 now or a model S a few years down the line it actually makes things like the Honda EV seem much better value. £30k+ for the Honda seems ludicrous but in the context of £5k more than the MG EV it seems reasonable, you'd get that back in residuals alone.
I find it quite hard to watch (or listen to) Mr Llewelyn on his own for long - much improved with Jonny Smith at his side. Too many anti-ICE rants (you don’t win someone over by telling them they are stupid) and he laughs at things that aren’t funny. But put the two of them together and I could watch/listen all day
Downward said:
Why spend 25k on an EV ?
I just don’t see why you would spend that sort of money on an electric Daewoo.
A 2nd hand EV will be a much better drive more comfort and more goodies and have similar range
So you are saying that it is generally better to buy a more upmarket car second hand than a more downmarket but new car? You should start a YouTube channel to share you wisdom! ;0I just don’t see why you would spend that sort of money on an electric Daewoo.
A 2nd hand EV will be a much better drive more comfort and more goodies and have similar range
Downward said:
Why spend 25k on an EV ?
I just don’t see why you would spend that sort of money on an electric Daewoo.
A 2nd hand EV will be a much better drive more comfort and more goodies and have similar range
Will it though? The used EV market remains bonkers.I just don’t see why you would spend that sort of money on an electric Daewoo.
A 2nd hand EV will be a much better drive more comfort and more goodies and have similar range
2nd hand 40kWh Nissan Leaf isn't yet under £20k, and charging gets slower and slower on long journeys.
Battery owned Zoe ZE40 are rare as anything and I've not seen one under £17k. Or the used lease battery ones are barely less than you can buy for new a few months ago, and you have to pay £50+/month for the battery.
Cheapest 2nd hand Ioniq £22k.
Everything else is much less range, or much more expensive. Which is why I can see the appeal of a well specced 44kWh EV at £21500 (£23500 for the higher spec) to many folks in the market for one.
As someone who's recently bought a 2013 Gen 1.5 Leaf, i kinda hope this depreciates very fast, as it could then be my next car in a few years...
Car seems to have been mainly very well recieved - however - that frontal plug system/area is a pITA - and it shouldn't be as it's the thing thats gonna be needed the most!
Car seems to have been mainly very well recieved - however - that frontal plug system/area is a pITA - and it shouldn't be as it's the thing thats gonna be needed the most!
Dave Hedgehog said:
Nerdherder said:
The fullycharged review is an incoherent mess
its appropriate for the channel and the presenter if you follow the channel, its not meant to be a professional car review I can certainly see the appeal of the ZS EV. It's a budget car - it's five to ten grand cheaper than anything of comparable size and range. I've had a poke around one and the quality seemed fine; no it doesn't have the cuddly doorcards of a German car but it all feels solid and well put together. I haven't driven one but the performance figures look adequate for the market it's aiming at.
It would certainly be high on our shortlist if we were after a new family car now, although I suspect it'll quickly get eclipsed by something else with the rate the EV market is moving. From what I've seen I'd certainly rather have the MG than a Leaf and the Leaf is considerably more expensive.
It would certainly be high on our shortlist if we were after a new family car now, although I suspect it'll quickly get eclipsed by something else with the rate the EV market is moving. From what I've seen I'd certainly rather have the MG than a Leaf and the Leaf is considerably more expensive.
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