Mini Electric reviews
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anonymous-user

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76 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Reviews are out this week. Here’s the first I have found. Range is encouraging considering cold weather
https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/01/23/with-the-mini-e...

MrOrange

2,038 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Sounds a bit odd. The cold weather range is widely quoted at under 100 miles (160kms) so doing “200 kms with adequate charge left” up to high alp ski resorts in winter sounds like a fantasy. Or just plain lying.

It’s got 29 Kwh of usable capacity, so even in ideal conditions (warm, flat terrain, slower speeds), and with 250 w/mile efficiency it will only cover 120 miles (or around 190 kms).

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

276 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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BMW blog, fully impartial...

rog007

5,812 posts

246 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Range (Mini themselves quote only 110 miles) and, as far as I can tell, no 5-door option (yet), may create some challenges for it in the marketplace. I’m sure it’ll still be popular though; the Mini has a great following.

kambites

70,490 posts

243 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Yes that appears to be more advert than review. 16kwh/100km is just about believable in good conditions (the Ioniq generally manages better than that, although nothing else does) but up a mountain in the middle of winter... doesn't sound very likely.

MrB.

595 posts

208 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I am off to drive it in a couple of weeks time (on UK roads), so will be interesting to see what it's like. Looking forward to it, and seeing what its about.

aestetix1

873 posts

73 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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It's a converted ICE, it's going to suck in the usual ways that converted ICEs do. Inefficient, probably lacking EV specific stuff especially on the dashboard and compromised handling as the weight is shifted around.

Also who wants to drive around with those Union Jack tail lights these days?

Zetec-S

6,598 posts

115 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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aestetix1 said:
It's a converted ICE, it's going to suck in the usual ways that converted ICEs do. Inefficient, probably lacking EV specific stuff especially on the dashboard and compromised handling as the weight is shifted around.

Also who wants to drive around with those Union Jack tail lights these days?
How exactly have you come to that conclusion?

One of the reasons people have been hesitant to adopt EV's in the past is that they don't "normal". By taking the existing (and popular) car and adapting into an EV it is likely to have wider appeal.

LG9k

449 posts

244 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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It'll be like most MINIs. A second car, so range is not especially important (see also the Honda E).

It's image is great - lots of people see the MINI as "cool" - some even like the union jack tail lights! (Not me).

It'll sell very well, I think.

MrOrange

2,038 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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LG9k said:
It'll sell very well, I think.
It could become an e-lemon (can I trademark that?) in due course. Short range (maybe as low as 75 miles under certain circumstances) will be overlooked initially by the mini fanbase who, by and large, are not really into cars rather than fashion.

And, if you PCP it, then the terms are grim: Top spec one is £4k deposit plus £400pm over 4 years - suggesting even Mini have limited faith in long-term residuals.

LG9k

449 posts

244 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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MrOrange said:
It could become an e-lemon (can I trademark that?) in due course. Short range (maybe as low as 75 miles under certain circumstances) will be overlooked initially by the mini fanbase who, by and large, are not really into cars rather than fashion.

And, if you PCP it, then the terms are grim: Top spec one is £4k deposit plus £400pm over 4 years - suggesting even Mini have limited faith in long-term residuals.
I think that PCP is for the Hybrid - nothing showing for the "Pure" electric so far as In can see. Happy to stand corrected.

anonymous-user

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76 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I have one on order delivery April. Understand from those who have driven it that it’s pretty good. Range is ok as well

Evanivitch

25,669 posts

144 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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MrOrange said:
It’s got 29 Kwh of usable capacity, so even in ideal conditions (warm, flat terrain, slower speeds), and with 250 w/mile efficiency it will only cover 120 miles (or around 190 kms).
None of it makes sense. States 3.5 hours on a 'standard' 11kW post (not all that common to have 3 phase) which is more like 35kWh useable, and then 90mins on a 50kW DC... That's a lot of throttling!

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

76 months

MrOrange

2,038 posts

275 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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LG9k said:
I think that PCP is for the Hybrid - nothing showing for the "Pure" electric so far as In can see. Happy to stand corrected.
I put down an initial deposit back in the summer and the actual quote is below - Albeit for 3 years but with a meaty deposit. Cost is coming out at £543.63 per month (avg) for the L3.



Battery is quoted as 32.6kwh gross. Net useable is 29kwh. Max range is quoted at 140 miles, but more realistically will be around 120 for a warm day, pre-conditioned, flat terrain, non-motorway speeds. Outlier usage (cold days, no-precondition, arrival altitude higher than start) may see this drop to under 80 miles.

aestetix1

873 posts

73 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Zetec-S said:
How exactly have you come to that conclusion?

One of the reasons people have been hesitant to adopt EV's in the past is that they don't "normal". By taking the existing (and popular) car and adapting into an EV it is likely to have wider appeal.
Because most of ICE to EV conversions have similar issues. To make a really good EV you need to start from scratch. The ICE drivetrain is very different, the weight distribution is different and the needs of the drive in terms of information and driving controls are very different.

I guess the other issue it will have is that it's going up against some stiff competition, particularly the Honda e.

ZesPak

26,003 posts

218 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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MrOrange said:
Sounds a bit odd. The cold weather range is widely quoted at under 100 miles (160kms) so doing “200 kms with adequate charge left” up to high alp ski resorts in winter sounds like a fantasy. Or just plain lying.

It’s got 29 Kwh of usable capacity, so even in ideal conditions (warm, flat terrain, slower speeds), and with 250 w/mile efficiency it will only cover 120 miles (or around 190 kms).
I was quite surprised to see the price undercutting the e208, as mini would be the premium one.
But just looked it up and that small battery explains it, the e208 has 50kwh according to Peugeot.

Zetec-S

6,598 posts

115 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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aestetix1 said:
Because most of ICE to EV conversions have similar issues. To make a really good EV you need to start from scratch. The ICE drivetrain is very different, the weight distribution is different and the needs of the drive in terms of information and driving controls are very different.

I guess the other issue it will have is that it's going up against some stiff competition, particularly the Honda e.
Have you driven one? What experience of EV's do you actually have?

I can't really see the Honda e being stiff competition. MINI is one of the most successful and desirable brands around, people are already prepared to pay more for a small ICE hatch because it's a MINI. The same will apply to the EV version.

coetzeeh

2,871 posts

258 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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RobDickinson said:
BMW blog, fully impartial...
Tesla on the other hand..

Evanivitch

25,669 posts

144 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Zetec-S said:
Have you driven one? What experience of EV's do you actually have?

I can't really see the Honda e being stiff competition. MINI is one of the most successful and desirable brands around, people are already prepared to pay more for a small ICE hatch because it's a MINI. The same will apply to the EV version.
Only if it's any good. But at less than 30kwh capacity, I'd argue it's not going to appeal to most people already unsure about an EV.