MG 5 EV Estate

[Willow1212]

I don't think this one has been discussed on here previously, it looks like MG may be the first brand to bring an "affordable" mid-size EV estate to market which will fill a gap for a lot of people.

Rumours seem to suggest around 200 mile WLTP range from around a 50kWh battery, £20-25k, Golf/Focus estate size, launching second half of this year.

https://twitter.com/EVNewsDaily/status/12322571955...

They could be on to a winner here if they can hit that price, as a lack of estates leaves a gaping hole in the market currently.

[borcy]

Maybe the estate is due a comeback? I wonder if this is a dead end although if the performance /cost of the ev is good enough people might buy it regardless of body shape.

[anonymous-user]

EVs could well start to tip the scales back from SUVs, they are an inherently less efficient design than a normal car with similar space and with EVs that really matters.

A family sized car at around the £25k point with a 55kWh pack could be a compelling option for a lot of people.

[sjg]

Yep, it's a rebadge/upspec of the Roewe ei5 (also in the SAIC group, shares a GM platform). They sell it very cheap in China with a 35kWh battery and basic spec, apparently popular as a taxi.

Could do well here with a bigger battery, nicer interior and more toys at a sensible price.

[SWoll]

200 miles WLTP would suggest a real world range of 150-170 which will drop to 100-120 in the winter if our i3 with similar ratings is anything to go by?

Fine for a city car but likely to put people off for a large estate?

[Willow1212]

Even at 3 miles per kWh (which is pretty low) if the battery is 50kWh+ that will still mean a 150+ mile winter range. It should be more efficient and have a bigger battery than the EZS.
I can't see anyone else getting near a 50-55kWh battery at that price.

[SWoll]

Willow1212 said:

Even at 3 miles per kWh (which is pretty low) if the battery is 50kWh+ that will still mean a 150+ mile winter range. It should be more efficient and have a bigger battery than the EZS.
I can't see anyone else getting near a 50-55kWh battery at that price.

Battery size is pretty meaningless if it's not used efficiently. 200 miles WLTP from 50kWh is not good.

[kambites]

No, but on the other hand by all accounts the ZS at least seems to actually achieve close to its (relatively poor) WLTP figures in something approaching normal mixed driving. I guess it could be as simple as the Chinese not bothering to try to tailor the car to the tests to maximise the official figure. It it really gets 200 miles in mixed driving, that's not too bad from 50kwh.

[Willow1212]

I think we can judge the numbers when we actually have official info, right now it is all just speculation anyway. But it all looks like it will be more than the EZS, which should be plenty for a lot of people, but certainly not enough for everyone I'm sure.

But a new EV option for an affordable family car, that isn't an SUV, and has a competitive range (for the price) can only be good news. We need a wider choice of cars out there and this fills a slot where there isn't anything currently. I'm sure VW's estate offering will follow at some stage and offer more range and better interior etc at a higher price point.

[A900ss]

On paper, it sounds great but I wonder how ‘customer ready’ it will be.

I think the MG ZS EV is also great on paper but in reality the owners are really Beta testers for the company.

Looking at their Facebook page, loads of things that you would expect to be finalised in a production car have issues. Small issues but issue all the same.

I think in a few years, once they’ve got through their initial snags, it’ll be fine.

[robbieduncan]

This is basically the car I want. Not sure I want it to be an MG (not convinced on build or design quality). But an EV estate finally! Can’t wait for them to be 3 years old and cheaper...

[Flumpo]

I hope the estate is not making a comeback.

I was hoping for an excellent deal in a couple of years on either the new focus st estate or Maybe a 5 series.

[kambites]

A900ss said:

On paper, it sounds great but I wonder how ‘customer ready’ it will be.

I wonder if they'll sort out the appalling charge port location. It's bad enough on an SUV let alone a lower estate car.

[Willow1212]

kambites said:

I wonder if they'll sort out the appalling charge port location. It's bad enough on an SUV let alone a lower estate car.

Yes, looks like they have from the photos I've seen of the car being tested which is good news.

[granada203028]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mg...

Doesn't look too bad at all does it?

[Flumpo]

granada203028 said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mg...

Doesn't look too bad at all does it?

In terms of looks or as an overall package?

We will need to wait and see what the uk spec looks like after it’s had European taste mg make over. But I’m not sure I’m that taken by it going by the rowe model:




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Personally I think it will sell in Disappointing, limited numbers rather than kick start mg.

Who’s in the market for this car? We are always being told the estate market is drying up (although I still want one), the buyer is also going to have to be not bothered about badge and decide they explicitly want a brand new electric car.

I imagine not many would sink their own money into this and looking at leases would demonstrate what else you could have for the money.

I’m not sure any electric charging savings would stack up. You can get a less 18 month old focuse estate vignale with every possible extra for about £18/19k. £6k saving over the mg would be 5 years worth of petrol in the focus. -maybe more working in the assumption anyone considering the mg will be a low mileage user.

So I can only see this appealing to low mileage users who don’t care about badge or image, not bothered about interior quality, speed or depreciation or saving money. But they do lust for an electric estate at all costs.

I can’t see many walking past a Dacia estate, the new Octavia, or nearly new focus to tell people they have an electric car.

Throw in a wave of potential anti Chinese rhetoric coming up, and I can’t see it being a success.

Could be completely wrong though, I thought mini discs would catch on.

[HorneyMX5]

Flumpo said:

Could be completely wrong though, I thought mini discs would catch on.

You weren’t the only one, I loved MDs, perfect replacement for cassettes.

[kambites]

Flumpo said:

I can’t see many walking past a Dacia estate, the new Octavia, or nearly new focus to tell people they have an electric car.

I don't understand what this sentence means. Why would what anyone tells anyone else have any bearing on anything?

We'll seriously consider this when it comes out because it'll be a good value electric family car. I don't care about the badge and whilst I do care about interior build quality, the ZS EV we test drove felt very well put together (certainly better than our Octavia, although to be fair our Octavia is 14 years old and has done 130k miles) and I don't care about cuddly dashboards.

We seriously considered buying a ZS EV, and only ended up not doing so because we decided we could drag another year or two our of our aging Skoda and pick one up second-hand for considerably less. If the estate is as good the ZS and priced as keenly compared to the competition when it comes out, I suspect they'll sell all they can make.

It does of course need to undercut things like the ID3 by a significant margin.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 23 April 09:41

[anonymous-user]

kambites said:

Flumpo said:

I can’t see many walking past a Dacia estate, the new Octavia, or nearly new focus to tell people they have an electric car.

I don't understand what this sentence means. Why would what anyone tells anyone else have any bearing on anything?

We'll seriously consider this when it comes out because it'll be a good value electric family car. I don't care about the badge and whilst I do care about interior build quality, the ZS EV we test drove felt very well put together (certainly better than our Octavia, although to be fair our Octavia is 14 years old and has done 130k miles) and I don't care about cuddly dashboards.

We seriously considered buying a ZS EV, and only ended up not doing so because we decided we could drag another year or two our of our aging Skoda and pick one up second-hand for considerably less. If the estate is as good the ZS and priced as keenly compared to the competition when it comes out, I suspect they'll sell all they can make.

It does of course need to undercut things like the ID3 by a significant margin.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 April 09:41

I think he’s alluding to the fact that some people buy EVs just to be able to say “I have an EV!” I would think that’s true for many, just going off the tales from some about how they delight in relating about small boys drooling over their purchase.

I also think he has a point in that cost is still the overriding factor for many and the current crisis will make that more so. A nearly new Focus etc is likely to be a better, cheaper overall form of transport for a while yet.

As for the anti Chinese thing, who knows? It would make a difference to me. I wouldn’t touch one, though to be fair I wouldn’t have done before the virus crisis either. I’ve already bought a couple of British made things rather than Chinese, at considerably more cost. I know it’s unlikely to make much difference in the scheme of things but it makes me feel better!

[anonymous-user]

It'll make a perfect taxi, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.

Tons of space for people and things plus extremely low whole life costs. If they can keep it priced down at around 25k it stacks up better than a Prius and they are everywhere on Taxi fleets.