500 mile+ ranged EV Confirmed

[LordFlathead]

Lucid is looking strong as a Tesla competitor. I prefer the looks too although they are somewhat subjective.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/11/lucid-air-electric-...

[SWoll]

If it's that efficient why does it need a 130kWh battery to go 500 miles?

Be interested to see how much it weighs, I'm guessing at least 2.5 tonnes with a pack of that size?

[aestetix1]

What poor bd needs a 500 mile range car? That implies they are doing 500 mile trips regularly and/or can't afford to take 20 minute breaks on that 10 hour journey.

Or maybe they can't charge at home or work and are forced to pay €€€ for a huge battery and public charging.

250 miles seems to be the sweet spot for price and range.

[Rushjob]

SWoll said:

If it's that efficient why does it need a 130kWh battery to go 500 miles?

Be interested to see how much it weighs, I'm guessing at least 2.5 tonnes with a pack of that size?

It says that the battery pack is significantly reduced in size and weight from the originally described 1.3kWh one.......

[ChocolateFrog]

aestetix1 said:

What poor bd needs a 500 mile range car? That implies they are doing 500 mile trips regularly and/or can't afford to take 20 minute breaks on that 10 hour journey.

Or maybe they can't charge at home or work and are forced to pay €€€ for a huge battery and public charging.

250 miles seems to be the sweet spot for price and range.

TLDR The range of your vehicle does not imply you need to take regular trips that match said range.

My van doesn't 'need' a 600 mile range but it's great not to have to even think about it for a few weeks (or months more recently) at a time.

We need to get away from this notion that most of us do less than 30 miles a day so we can all manage perfectly well with a 10 year old Leaf.

When did absolute 'need' even come into the top 10 of priorities when picking a new car? Never.

It's all wants and desires.

[LordFlathead]

aestetix1 said:

What poor bd needs a 500 mile range car? That implies they are doing 500 mile trips regularly and/or can't afford to take 20 minute breaks on that 10 hour journey.

Or maybe they can't charge at home or work and are forced to pay €€€ for a huge battery and public charging.

250 miles seems to be the sweet spot for price and range.

I laughed at the comment because if you wind the EV progress clock back say 5 years, most EV protagonists all decreed that they should have at least 500 miles of range.. yet when they appear people now complain the range is not necessary.

No word on pricing yet. I expect this to be just under Tesla's P100D. I wonder how it will perform!

[jjwilde]

I mean isn't the Cybertruck supposed to have a 500+ mile range too?

The 2021 Roadster 600miles?

This isn't new.

[LordFlathead]

jjwilde said:

I mean isn't the Cybertruck supposed to have a 500+ mile range too?

The 2021 Roadster 600miles?

This isn't new.

This is the only vehicle that has been physically tested to have the indicated range. The others are not yet in production.

[Witchfinder]

ChocolateFrog said:

My van doesn't 'need' a 600 mile range but it's great not to have to even think about it for a few weeks (or months more recently) at a time.

We need to get away from this notion that most of us do less than 30 miles a day so we can all manage perfectly well with a 10 year old Leaf.

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

[Dave_Rich]

LordFlathead said:

This is the only vehicle that has been physically tested to have the indicated range. The others are not yet in production.

What is in production ?

[Evanivitch]

jjwilde said:

I mean isn't the Cybertruck supposed to have a 500+ mile range too?

Still can't outrun ugly.

[TheRainMaker]

Witchfinder said:

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

If you had an EV that had a range of 600 miles, I can’t see one draw back.

Charging up every night sounds very dull.

[SWoll]

TheRainMaker said:

Witchfinder said:

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

If you had an EV that had a range of 600 miles, I can’t see one draw back.

Charging up every night sounds very dull.

Big heavy batteries that ruin the ride, efficiency, performance, handling and packaging.

Pointless exercise, just build a significantly lighter car that can do 300-400 miles as will work for 99.9% of people and be all the better for it.

Why would plugging something in be dull, it takes seconds. Do you consider charging your phone dull or just something quick and easy you do most days?

[ChocolateFrog]

Witchfinder said:

ChocolateFrog said:

My van doesn't 'need' a 600 mile range but it's great not to have to even think about it for a few weeks (or months more recently) at a time.

We need to get away from this notion that most of us do less than 30 miles a day so we can all manage perfectly well with a 10 year old Leaf.

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

Shall I lay the extension lead across the road or over the street lights?

For someone like me who can measure the amount I've spent on depreciation in hundreds rather than thousands pure EVs are a long way off.

Even with a 'full tank' if said full tank is under a 100 miles that would cause range anxiety for pretty much every drive.

The cost of electricity isn't wildly cheaper than fuel even now, give it 10 years and it'll probably be more expensive.

I'm not seeing this nirvana you speak of.

[TheRainMaker]

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

Witchfinder said:

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

If you had an EV that had a range of 600 miles, I can’t see one draw back.

Charging up every night sounds very dull.

Big heavy batteries that ruin the ride, efficiency, performance, handling and packaging.

Pointless exercise, just build a significantly lighter car that can do 300-400 miles as will work for 99.9% of people and be all the better for it.

Why would plugging something in be dull, it takes seconds. Do you consider charging your phone dull or just something quick and easy you do most days?

So you have just guessed on every one of your points, nothing in that article suggests its ride is ruined or the batteries affect handling, packaging or efficiency.

And yes plugging in a phone is dull, even more so when it doesn't last the day or you forget and it's flat when you wake up, so picking up a wet cable in the snow and rain every night does sound dull.

If I could have a car I only had to charge twice a month and NEVER had to worry about range, I can't see a downside.

[SWoll]

ChocolateFrog said:

Shall I lay the extension lead across the road or over the street lights?

For someone like me who can measure the amount I've spent on depreciation in hundreds rather than thousands pure EVs are a long way off.

Even with a 'full tank' if said full tank is under a 100 miles that would cause range anxiety for pretty much every drive.

The cost of electricity isn't wildly cheaper than fuel even now, give it 10 years and it'll probably be more expensive.

I'm not seeing this nirvana you speak of.

I'm assuming you buy older cars, dont have a driveway and suffer with general anxiety based on the post above?

Definitely not target audience for an EV so probably for the best you don't get it TBH.

[SWoll]

TheRainMaker said:

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

Witchfinder said:

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

If you had an EV that had a range of 600 miles, I can’t see one draw back.

Charging up every night sounds very dull.

Big heavy batteries that ruin the ride, efficiency, performance, handling and packaging.

Pointless exercise, just build a significantly lighter car that can do 300-400 miles as will work for 99.9% of people and be all the better for it.

Why would plugging something in be dull, it takes seconds. Do you consider charging your phone dull or just something quick and easy you do most days?

So you have just guessed on every one of your points, nothing in that article suggests its ride is ruined or the batteries affect handling, packaging or efficiency.

And yes plugging in a phone is dull, even more so when it doesn't last the day or you forget and it's flat when you wake up, so picking up a wet cable in the snow and rain every night does sound dull.

If I could have a car I only had to charge twice a month and NEVER had to worry about range, I can't see a downside.

A car with a 600 mile range will weigh considerably more than the same car with a 300 mile range. Simple physics, as is that fact that extra weight affects the ride, handling, braking, performance and efficiency. Pretty simple stuff.

Your complaints about charging things are laughable and the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from a child. It takes seconds

[TheRainMaker]

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

SWoll said:

TheRainMaker said:

Witchfinder said:

You need to get away from the "filling up" notion. It's the work of literally 30 seconds to plug into your home charger. Every morning you'll wake up to a full tank, having charged with cheap overnight electricity.

Not wanting to think about refueling is the lamest excuse ever.

If you had an EV that had a range of 600 miles, I can’t see one draw back.

Charging up every night sounds very dull.

Big heavy batteries that ruin the ride, efficiency, performance, handling and packaging.

Pointless exercise, just build a significantly lighter car that can do 300-400 miles as will work for 99.9% of people and be all the better for it.

Why would plugging something in be dull, it takes seconds. Do you consider charging your phone dull or just something quick and easy you do most days?

So you have just guessed on every one of your points, nothing in that article suggests its ride is ruined or the batteries affect handling, packaging or efficiency.

And yes plugging in a phone is dull, even more so when it doesn't last the day or you forget and it's flat when you wake up, so picking up a wet cable in the snow and rain every night does sound dull.

If I could have a car I only had to charge twice a month and NEVER had to worry about range, I can't see a downside.

A car with a 600 mile range will weigh considerably more than the same car with a 300 mile range. Simple physics, as is that fact that extra weight affects the ride, handling, braking, performance and efficiency. Pretty simple stuff.

Your complaints about charging things are laughable and the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from a child. It takes seconds

I find the notion you think my complaints about charging laughable when if you asked 100 people, "would you prefer a phone you had to charge once a week or would you like the one you need to charge every night", what would the answer be?

As for the Lucid Air did you read the article? it doesn't give any information on battery weight or motor design.

So again you are just guessing on all your points, you have no idea what technology they are using.

You stick with your old fashioned EV with a range of 300 miles, looks like things are moving fast and the next step is 500+ range.

I still can see no downside to a larger range and only charging twice a month.

[SWoll]

TheRainMaker said:

I find the notion you think my complaints about charging laughable when if you asked 100 people, "would you prefer a phone you had to charge once a week or would you like the one you need to charge every night", what would the answer be?

As for the Lucid Air did you read the article? it doesn't give any information on battery weight or motor design.

So again you are just guessing on all your points, you have no idea what technology they are using.

You stick with your old fashioned EV with a range of 300 miles, looks like things are moving fast and the next step is 500+ range.

I still can see no downside to a larger range and only charging twice a month.

A minute a day isn't going to bother anyone who isn't just looking for something to complain about.

A car with a 600 mile range battery has to weigh considerably more than the same car with a 300 mile range battery using the same technology, therefore will be compromised in order to offer that additional range just for grabbing headline figures.

Very happy with the weight and performance of my 300 mile EV at the moment, could have gone for a bigger and heavier car with more range but no need despite covering double the national average miles each year (15k) and would have been less enjoyable to drive.

If they can manage to offer 500 miles without a massive weight penalty at some point as is always the case at present I'm sure I'll move on.

[Witchfinder]

TheRainMaker said:

I find the notion you think my complaints about charging laughable when if you asked 100 people, "would you prefer a phone you had to charge once a week or would you like the one you need to charge every night", what would the answer be?

What a nonsense argument. If that phone was two to three times as expensive, heavy, and large, do you think people would still opt for the once-a-week choice?

Fact is the vast majority of people do under 30 miles per day. Even with a car that has 250 miles of range, you'd only need to charge up once a week. Most people charge up every couple of days because it's just so easy and convenient. I got 10kWh of free electricity whilst I was doing my shopping at the weekend, enough to take most EVs a good 30-40 miles.