Range Rover Evoque P300e 41 mile range mis-sold?

[nextgendriving]

I signed up to a new lease for the range rover evoque P300e which was advertised as 41 mile range, i got the lease through a main dealer who placed a factory order, they told me to check the Land Rover website for the specifications and it definitely 100% was advertised as having a 41 mile range on a single charge.

However when vehicle recieved the range is only a max of 34 and i checked the Land Rover website again which confirms this aswell as they have updated there website to now show 34mile range, turns out they pulled new orders for this vehicle shortly after i ordered this as they got there figures messed up, so stopped taking orders for a couple of months, no one told me about the incorrect figures so i could have a rethink.

The 7 mile difference is quiet a lot for our needs as my wifes commute is 26 miles each way so i dont think with real world driving that she will get to work purely on EV as the range is only 34miles , im pretty sure with a 41mile advertised range it was reasonable to expect it will do at least 26 miles, she has charging facilities at work so plan was to recharge again at work.

We dont want to argue about returning the car but are not happy at the skewed up figures by Land Rover which has led us being misold a car we are paying a premium for being hybrid PHEV and was wandering what options we have?

Grateful for your thoughts?

[SWoll]

Maybe try it and see? Could be that the new range is a far more realistic for real world use and will do the job?

At the end of the day any advertised figures will be differ based on external temperature, weather, traffic etc. anyway so is unlikely to be consistent and will be at its worst for the next few months in the cold and wet.

[Mr Pointy]

It's a hybrid though, so she'll still get to work won't she? Did you think she would be able to do 26 miles on battery in the depths of winter with the heater, lights & heated screens on even if the theoretical range was 41 miles? It's pretty unlikely so you were always looking at some portion of the journey using the engine.

[nextgendriving]

SWoll said:

Maybe try it and see? Could be that the new range is a far more realistic for real world use and will do the job?

At the end of the day any advertised figures will be differ based on external temperature, weather, traffic etc. anyway so is unlikely to be consistent and will be at its worst for the next few months in the cold and wet.

Its pretty much similar to all car on the market says it will do 34miles once charged but battery gets completely depleted after about 22-23 miles

[SWoll]

nextgendriving said:

SWoll said:

Maybe try it and see? Could be that the new range is a far more realistic for real world use and will do the job?

At the end of the day any advertised figures will be differ based on external temperature, weather, traffic etc. anyway so is unlikely to be consistent and will be at its worst for the next few months in the cold and wet.

Its pretty much similar to all car on the market says it will do 34miles once charged but battery gets completely depleted after about 22-23 miles

As above will be lower than advertised at this time of year due to additional cabin heating requirements, cold battery and any wet weather.

Is your wifes commute town or motorway as higher speeds will also affect that figure?

[nextgendriving]

Mr Pointy said:

It's a hybrid though, so she'll still get to work won't she? Did you think she would be able to do 26 miles on battery in the depths of winter with the heater, lights & heated screens on even if the theoretical range was 41 miles? It's pretty unlikely so you were always looking at some portion of the journey using the engine.

Yeh in winter with a 41 mile range i knew it would be pushing it and know that the petrol engine will kick in, but with the 34mile range i know pretty much for certain it wont get her to work purely on EV even perhaps in summer aswell.

Just feel a little misled thats all, i know im being a bit tight but its the principle of it

[nextgendriving]

SWoll said:

nextgendriving said:

SWoll said:

Maybe try it and see? Could be that the new range is a far more realistic for real world use and will do the job?

At the end of the day any advertised figures will be differ based on external temperature, weather, traffic etc. anyway so is unlikely to be consistent and will be at its worst for the next few months in the cold and wet.

Its pretty much similar to all car on the market says it will do 34miles once charged but battery gets completely depleted after about 22-23 miles

As above will be lower than advertised at this time of year due to additional cabin heating requirements, cold battery and any wet weather.

Is your wifes commute town or motorway as higher speeds will also affect that figure?

Yeh its about 11 miles local driving and the rest is motorway driving, we havent been able to do a test run yet as she not going into the office until March at the earliest due to covid19

[off_again]

So many potential variables in action.

Driving style, type of roads, temperature and even what is acceptable as interior temperature for the cabin! Yes, it’s a pretty big drop from advertised, but worth noting that it’s likely to get better.

I3 owners call their range the Guess-o-meter, which pretty much sums it up! Only after a period of time and some sort of consistency does it start to make sense. But it will potentially go all over the place, and it should take a few depletes and recharges to get the batteries fully conditioned.

And on LR products in general - if their electric range display is anything close to their MPG and fuel range, it will be all over the place. Never really understood how they worked out those figures, as there seems to be some sort of odd calculation that is going on behind the scenes.

[Jag_NE]

Can’t understand the issue tbh. Quoted economy figures have always been optimistic and I’d expect EV’s to be the same. Cost wise it must be pretty trivial burning a bit extra petrol if you have RR budget and you obviously aren’t an environmentalist either.

[raspy]

If you don't wish to return your car, then I don't think you have any options. You could try complaining and expressing your disappointment that you ordered a car with one spec, but received a car with a lower spec.

With regard to your assumption, "im pretty sure with a 41mile advertised range it was reasonable to expect it will do at least 26 miles"

I don't think that's reasonable to expect that.

Advertised ranges for PHEVs are lab test values which are so different from the real world.

[JonnyVTEC]

41 miles I think was the WLTP test energy low, ie low options etc. 34mile was revised based on the higher spec heavier cars with bigger wheels. I think it just means you should see real world closer to the figure now?

[Andy M]

EVs don’t enjoy constant motorway speeds, they’re more suited to stop start traffic and lower speeds.

The petrol engine will be more suited to the motorway speeds when you’re likely to be getting relatively high mpg?

[Sheepshanks]

Seems straightforward to me - the range was a key factor in your decision and they’ve changed it, so it’s not as described. Ask the dealer what they’ve going to do about it, but if push-comes-to-shove you might have to reject the car.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Friday 27th November 23:23

[anonymous-user]

Is this about the new WLTP versus NEDC testing?

We've seen it in our company car fleet - the old NEDC test puts a 330e at 41 miles. Which attracts 8% BIK tax.

When WLTP was introduced, it dropped the electric only range under 40 miles, attracting 12% BIK tax.

[aestetix1]

This happened to some Hyundai owners as well, or was it Kia? Anyway either the Kona or the eNiro had its range downgraded a little after the first ones were delivered, it made little real difference as they can both get 300 miles on a charge but even so the owners who asked got some compensation.

As for your case... I mean if you wanted to do full EV driving then why buy such a ridiculous car? Even if the number had been correct 27 miles would have been pushing it in that monstrosity.

You could ask them for some compensation to cover your fuel costs for the lifetime of the lease. Better to just ask to cancel though and get something decent. A proper EV with a proper battery.

[stevemcs]

Watch Jarrys garage video of the RR version it gives a bit of an insight into its range - then watch the x5 version.

Hybrids are a better option than a full E.V, they run on mostly electric around town but then you can drive to the other end of the country if you want to, something you cannot do with most E.V cars.

[aestetix1]

stevemcs said:

Watch Jarrys garage video of the RR version it gives a bit of an insight into its range - then watch the x5 version.

Hybrids are a better option than a full E.V, they run on mostly electric around town but then you can drive to the other end of the country if you want to, something you cannot do with most E.V cars.

What are you babbling on about? You can easily do one end of the country to the other in an EV. Your advice is at least 5 years out of date.

[hepy]

aestetix1 said:

This happened to some Hyundai owners as well, or was it Kia? Anyway either the Kona or the eNiro had its range downgraded a little after the first ones were delivered, it made little real difference as they can both get 300 miles on a charge but even so the owners who asked got some compensation.

As for your case... I mean if you wanted to do full EV driving then why buy such a ridiculous car? Even if the number had been correct 27 miles would have been pushing it in that monstrosity.

You could ask them for some compensation to cover your fuel costs for the lifetime of the lease. Better to just ask to cancel though and get something decent. A proper EV with a proper battery.

But then it might not have the Range Rover badge!

If yours wife’s commute is so short, you’d be better with an EV.

If you have two cars, keep a petrol, and the other EV and you cover all bases.

I changed from a Leon Cupra to an E Niro, and it’s a great car and costs nothing to run.

[JonnyVTEC]

Just read the post. Can’t really work out if she’s drove it to work or not yet!

[stevemcs]

aestetix1 said:

What are you babbling on about? You can easily do one end of the country to the other in an EV. Your advice is at least 5 years out of date.

So how may times would I need to stop in a Nissan Leaf if I wanted to cover a trip of 500 miles with the heating on the lights on keeping up with the traffic on the motorway in winter, my current car would do it without stopping and get most of the way back, While the range is getting better on EV's its still not comparable to a long trip in an diesel or petrol car and you would need to stop several times in an EV assuming you find somewhere to recharge.

The hybrid such as the Evoque the OP has isn't going to do what they want, they are designed to run on electric around town and petrol/diesel on a run. They want to run the car on pure electric and the range isn't quite there yet.