Nissan Model Range
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Nissan has been producing the Leaf for roughly a decade and they have sold 500,000, so it appears it's been a successful model.
They must have gained some experience of producing EV vehicles and it's been obvious to everyone where the future lies so why haven't the built on their head start in the segment?
They must have gained some experience of producing EV vehicles and it's been obvious to everyone where the future lies so why haven't the built on their head start in the segment?
The Leaf was a sales disaster for Nissan, it didn't get close to projected sales. Nissan pretty much had to give them away, hence the reluctance of Nissan to invest in new EVs......also the formal CEO made Elon Musk look tame by escaping Japan in a private jet whilst hiding in a box when under house arrest.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/nissan-leaf-miss-s...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/business/carlos...
BMW got their hand burnt in a similar fashion with the i3, but no such exciting antics from their CEO.
The only company that didn't get put off developing EVs in the early 2010s was Renault with the Zoe, but who knows how much government aid Renault takes
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/nissan-leaf-miss-s...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/business/carlos...
BMW got their hand burnt in a similar fashion with the i3, but no such exciting antics from their CEO.
The only company that didn't get put off developing EVs in the early 2010s was Renault with the Zoe, but who knows how much government aid Renault takes
.Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 20th December 17:46
Nissan's next EV is the Ariya, due for release next year I think, made in Japan rather than at Sunderland because of brexit.
Nissan tried to get in early with EV tech but didn't keep up the investment. Don't get me wrong, the Leaf 24 and 30 were great cars for the time, and the 40 and 62 are not at all bad but in comparison to what other manufacturers are offering in the price range... They just didn't update them enough, particularly the drivetrain.
Hopefully the Ariya changes all that. Nissan really need to capitalize on what they have, e.g. loyal EV drivers and a dealer network that understands the product. That last one is really important, secret shopper tests have shown that e.g. VW dealers are reluctant to sell EVs, mostly due to lack of knowledge, despite having a great product in the ID3.
Nissan tried to get in early with EV tech but didn't keep up the investment. Don't get me wrong, the Leaf 24 and 30 were great cars for the time, and the 40 and 62 are not at all bad but in comparison to what other manufacturers are offering in the price range... They just didn't update them enough, particularly the drivetrain.
Hopefully the Ariya changes all that. Nissan really need to capitalize on what they have, e.g. loyal EV drivers and a dealer network that understands the product. That last one is really important, secret shopper tests have shown that e.g. VW dealers are reluctant to sell EVs, mostly due to lack of knowledge, despite having a great product in the ID3.
gangzoom said:
The only company that didn't get put off developing EVs in the early 2010s was Renault with the Zoe, but who knows how much government aid Renault takes .
.BBC said:
Before this scandal erupted, Carlos Ghosn was chairman of both Nissan and Mitsubishi, as well as being chairman and chief executive of Renault.
Iwantafusca said:
Nissan seem to come out with good vehicles, but then seem to not substantially update them as the years go along ? Qashqai , note , micra , leaf etc ?
Why fix what ain't broke? They're popular as they are, so why spend more money adding tinsel? Makes more sense to invest in the next model at which they seem to be quite good.
Car Manufacturers have been sharing R & D costs since the early 90's.
Always Ford or Volvo people walking around the Nissan Plant.
Nissan have never ~designed~ sold anything new.
They historically wait for other manufacturers and then see what happens.
Triump Motorcycles had a bunch of Guys working in our Engine Inspection Lab for 18 months before making any of the new (reliable) bikes.
We never knew where they were from until their last day, when we all got a bag of Ties, badges,T. Shirts and Posters etc.
We all actually guessed because of their accents, but they remained silent.
Good Guys they were.
Always Ford or Volvo people walking around the Nissan Plant.
Nissan have never ~designed~ sold anything new.
They historically wait for other manufacturers and then see what happens.
Triump Motorcycles had a bunch of Guys working in our Engine Inspection Lab for 18 months before making any of the new (reliable) bikes.
We never knew where they were from until their last day, when we all got a bag of Ties, badges,T. Shirts and Posters etc.
We all actually guessed because of their accents, but they remained silent.
Good Guys they were.
Edited by mickyh7 on Thursday 24th December 10:08
We loved our Leaf, but after 3 years all they could offer was pretty much the same car, terrible availability and at almost twice the price. They really didn’t seem bothered in keeping us as a customer. We got an Ioniq instead, which at least feels like a generation on and was significantly cheaper.
aestetix1 said:
Nissan's next EV is the Ariya, due for release next year I think, made in Japan rather than at Sunderland because of brexit.
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'because of brexit'? .
I think the EU phasing out and removing tariffs on japanese produced cars may have something to do with the decision to consolidate manufacture back to Japan:
"The EU-Japan trade deal, which comes into effect today (Friday, February 1), immediately sees the current 10% tariff on Japanese cars imported into the EU to 9.2%. EU import tariffs on cars manufactured in Japan will continue to fall year-on-year and by 2032 will be zero."
From here:https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2019/02/01/new-eu-japan-trade-deal-could-reshape-european-car-market
Scrump said:
'because of brexit'?
I think the EU phasing out and removing tariffs on japanese produced cars may have something to do with the decision to consolidate manufacture back to Japan:
"The EU-Japan trade deal, which comes into effect today (Friday, February 1), immediately sees the current 10% tariff on Japanese cars imported into the EU to 9.2%. EU import tariffs on cars manufactured in Japan will continue to fall year-on-year and by 2032 will be zero."
From here:https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2019/02/01/new-eu-japan-trade-deal-could-reshape-european-car-market
The Nissan plant is a major investment and there is battery manufacturing in the UK as well (now a separate company after they sold it off). But the brexit deal failed to get concessions that would allow them to label cars with significant numbers of Japanese parts as British, so they would be hit with 10% tariffs if made in the UK.I think the EU phasing out and removing tariffs on japanese produced cars may have something to do with the decision to consolidate manufacture back to Japan:
"The EU-Japan trade deal, which comes into effect today (Friday, February 1), immediately sees the current 10% tariff on Japanese cars imported into the EU to 9.2%. EU import tariffs on cars manufactured in Japan will continue to fall year-on-year and by 2032 will be zero."
From here:https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2019/02/01/new-eu-japan-trade-deal-could-reshape-european-car-market
Sunderland will be shutting down soon, serves them right for voting for it.
Richard-D said:
Maybe you lot will get less bitter in time. If you don't...nobody cares 
Unlikely. Now we are into the blame phase, where those responsible must be made to feel shame for it. After that we can start to rejoin and bring the country together again, or at least what's left of it after Scotland and NI have left.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff