True cost of charging an electric car
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These reports are aimed to scare off existing ICE drivers. Provided you can stick to home charging, it will always be the cheapest form of transport (cars). If you cannot, then you really need to find a charger at work or shop or gym and avoid the current extortionate fast chargers. By the time ICE cars are banned from sale, the price to use fast chargers would have come down to reasonble prices. IMHO.
Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
Motortrend (I think) ran an article the other day talking about the cost of public charging with a Tesla (if you dont have supercharging for free). Suggested it was a lot more expensive than you might think.
While it can be more expensive, and no one says it isnt, its a little disingenuous. The vast number of EV drivers will use at home charging, at work charging or charging at locations that are convenient, using public charging when they need to. Demand can be high in certain situations, but I dont know any EV drivers who exclusively charge using public sites. So yeah, it is higher, but its about convenience and need - not a general thing.
While it can be more expensive, and no one says it isnt, its a little disingenuous. The vast number of EV drivers will use at home charging, at work charging or charging at locations that are convenient, using public charging when they need to. Demand can be high in certain situations, but I dont know any EV drivers who exclusively charge using public sites. So yeah, it is higher, but its about convenience and need - not a general thing.
It's complete and utter bulls
t - they've just picked on the single most expensive supplier of ultra-high speed charging (IONITY) and blown it up from there.
Topped mine up at a Polar yesterday for 15p/kWh - that's give or take the same as the 16p/kWh I was paying at home under octopus Fixed (now on Agile).
What Car obviously fallen down to the DM clickbait level and/or being paid.
t - they've just picked on the single most expensive supplier of ultra-high speed charging (IONITY) and blown it up from there.Topped mine up at a Polar yesterday for 15p/kWh - that's give or take the same as the 16p/kWh I was paying at home under octopus Fixed (now on Agile).
What Car obviously fallen down to the DM clickbait level and/or being paid.
IONITY are owned by a consortium of car companies, their aim is to make a Tesla-a-like charging network which offers cheaper charging to "Mobility Service Providers" - i.e. if you buy one of their cars and/or the relevant subscription then you get access to cheaper rates than Joe Public.
The "Direct" rates quoted by What Car are terrible, but intentionally so. The consortium has seen what an advantage Tesla have gained in the market from the supercharger network and this is their attempt to do the same thing and offer a point of differentiation for their products over other EVs.
The "Direct" rates quoted by What Car are terrible, but intentionally so. The consortium has seen what an advantage Tesla have gained in the market from the supercharger network and this is their attempt to do the same thing and offer a point of differentiation for their products over other EVs.
charltjr said:
IONITY are owned by a consortium of car companies, their aim is to make a Tesla-a-like charging network which offers cheaper charging to "Mobility Service Providers" - i.e. if you buy one of their cars and/or the relevant subscription then you get access to cheaper rates than Joe Public.
True - I've got onto IONITY through WeCharge, with no monthly (as a discount for buying an ID.3) - it's still 45p/kWh - same rate as anyone else, but less the 5.99 monthly. Which is still a very high unit cost, but they do support a very high charging rate. Only got it for emergency use.The PAYG price is 69p & I think there's a higher subscription price at with 25p (?? not sure).
Sorry, indicated it was Motortrend, it wasnt - it was car and driver:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35152087/tesla-...
Pretty much crap in that article. Not sure why they published it!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35152087/tesla-...
Pretty much crap in that article. Not sure why they published it!
off_again said:
Sorry, indicated it was Motortrend, it wasnt - it was car and driver:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35152087/tesla-...
Pretty much crap in that article. Not sure why they published it!
Somewhere in here, there's got to be a calculation screw up. There is no way the costs are even close to the same. I've got food getting cold, so can't do it in detail;https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35152087/tesla-...
Pretty much crap in that article. Not sure why they published it!
Saving money by driving an EV really hinges on having a place to charge at home or at the office. Assuming the national residential average electricity cost of 13.6 cents per kilowatt-hour and our car's actual 84 MPGe efficiency, our Model 3 has cost us 5.5 cents per mile during its first 24,000 miles, or just over $1300 total. If we charged solely at Superchargers, however, which, at 26 cents/kWh, costs the equivalent of $8.76 per gallon, that average cost jumps to 10.4 cents per mile and totals to just over $2500. That nearly matches our 10.7-cent average in our long-term BMW M340i test car, which is powered by a 382-hp turbocharged inline-six and has averaged 26 mpg during our test.
So as my next company car will be an EV (I’ve no choice in the matter!), assuming no home charging available (renting) and no office charging available (assuming it even reopens, it’s easier/quicker/cheaper to commute by bike for me, plus there’s two charging points for an ever growing number of PHEVs and EVs)...I’m stuffed? :/
Jimbo. said:
So as my next company car will be an EV (I’ve no choice in the matter!), assuming no home charging available (renting) and no office charging available (assuming it even reopens, it’s easier/quicker/cheaper to commute by bike for me, plus there’s two charging points for an ever growing number of PHEVs and EVs)...I’m stuffed? :/
Tax, tax and more tax - you will save a small fortune on it.... even if the cost per KwH might seem high, you should be golden. And to be honest, public charging networks arent nearly as expensive as those articles say. Just takes a little planning, join the scheme (assuming that your company doesnt provide something) and go from there - still likely to save something at least.Jimbo. said:
So as my next company car will be an EV (I’ve no choice in the matter!), assuming no home charging available (renting) and no office charging available (assuming it even reopens, it’s easier/quicker/cheaper to commute by bike for me, plus there’s two charging points for an ever growing number of PHEVs and EVs)...I’m stuffed? :/
We're renting temporarily and manage to charge our Tesla via a 3-pin plug. Easily adds 60-70 miles overnight and costs pennies to do so. Jimbo. said:
assuming it even reopens, it’s easier/quicker/cheaper to commute by bike for me
If you are talking about a pedal bike its cheaper than owning any car by a massive amount. Its cost essentially £0 in running costs for the last 11 months of commuting to work on the bike versus driving, no insurance, no parking charges. But ofcourse I have bought loads of bike stuff (some unnecessary), and when its cold + wet + windy (like today) I still take the car 
.I recon I've managed 60% of my work commute on the bike last year, it would hard to make it 100% without turning into a true tree hugger!! So unless you are really dedicated you still need a car of some sorts.
The article says sponsored by Nissan Leaf? Is that right, or am I mixing something up.
Seems odd to push the 'ionity is expensive' angle for an EV sponsored article, given it only impacts a small minority of drivers, and Leaf drivers seem especially unlikely to use ionity regularly.
Edit, just got to the bit about Tesla overstay fees. Starting to make a bit more sense now!
Perhaps Nissan's PR budget would be better served highlighting how the leaf is better than the competition.
Seems odd to push the 'ionity is expensive' angle for an EV sponsored article, given it only impacts a small minority of drivers, and Leaf drivers seem especially unlikely to use ionity regularly.
Edit, just got to the bit about Tesla overstay fees. Starting to make a bit more sense now!
Perhaps Nissan's PR budget would be better served highlighting how the leaf is better than the competition.
Edited by Lim on Wednesday 20th January 09:18
jay2000 said:
These reports are aimed to scare off existing ICE drivers. Provided you can stick to home charging, it will always be the cheapest form of transport (cars). If you cannot, then you really need to find a charger at work or shop or gym and avoid the current extortionate fast chargers. By the time ICE cars are banned from sale, the price to use fast chargers would have come down to reasonble prices. IMHO.
Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
Why do you think that? Closed market for them surely with ICE banned.Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
TX.
Terminator X said:
jay2000 said:
These reports are aimed to scare off existing ICE drivers. Provided you can stick to home charging, it will always be the cheapest form of transport (cars). If you cannot, then you really need to find a charger at work or shop or gym and avoid the current extortionate fast chargers. By the time ICE cars are banned from sale, the price to use fast chargers would have come down to reasonble prices. IMHO.
Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
Why do you think that? Closed market for them surely with ICE banned.Note that the tesla supercharging stations are still one of the most easy to use and cheapest quick chargers available. They work across different countries too so the other manufacturer's really have an uphill struggle to challenge tesla.
TX.
Seems like in short term some useful tax benefits to get some early adopters. The harder bit starts in a year or two as Government will need to tax electric car ownership in some way to start the process of balancing what they will lose through lost road tax and petrol duty
Eventually electric car ownership will be as costly as running a petrol car. Green advantages but a lot of people will be at a disadvantage and find running an electric car too expensive as either their landlord won’t allow the installation of the more cost effective home charger, apartments that don’t have enough charging points, terraced housing etc with limited access to home charging
Even with ability to home charge I’ve found it’s impossible to have two chargers at home for a big family as only 100 amp supply. Upgrading electric supply to 3 phase far too expensive
Eventually electric car ownership will be as costly as running a petrol car. Green advantages but a lot of people will be at a disadvantage and find running an electric car too expensive as either their landlord won’t allow the installation of the more cost effective home charger, apartments that don’t have enough charging points, terraced housing etc with limited access to home charging
Even with ability to home charge I’ve found it’s impossible to have two chargers at home for a big family as only 100 amp supply. Upgrading electric supply to 3 phase far too expensive
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