2021 Kia CV - 311-Mile Range, 0-62 MPH In 3 Seconds....
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According to detail presented at the Kia 2021 CEO Investor Day earlier today, the new Kia CV will have a range of more than 311 miles (undisclosed test cycle), ultra-fast charging capability (replenishing 62 miles of range in 4 minutes), with 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. Unveiling will be next month and sales from July.
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/2022-kia-cv-ever...
Full Investor Day Video here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y6VDIg_WrY&fe...
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/2022-kia-cv-ever...
Full Investor Day Video here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y6VDIg_WrY&fe...
Interesting! Kia and Hyundai have some good EV's at the moment. A little boring maybe, but do great on range, standard features and all at a good price. Lets see how this turns out, but looks pretty sharp and at those specs, should be good.
The only concern I have is that Kia have tried to expand into new markets and somewhat failed. The Stinger is a good car and everyone says its massively under-represented on the roads. People just dont buy them, associating Kia with a 'discount brand'. Which is a shame, because those days are a long time ago.
The only concern I have is that Kia have tried to expand into new markets and somewhat failed. The Stinger is a good car and everyone says its massively under-represented on the roads. People just dont buy them, associating Kia with a 'discount brand'. Which is a shame, because those days are a long time ago.
NDNDNDND said:
Why does the idea of a Kia that does 0-60 in less than three seconds make me a bit nervous?
I'm not sure I can imagine what the roads will be like when everyone has this sort of acceleration a prod of the throttle away.
Lethal.I'm not sure I can imagine what the roads will be like when everyone has this sort of acceleration a prod of the throttle away.
I’ve no idea why they need to make these EVs so fast. I get it for the ones designed to be fast but the last thing you want is the local morons driving around in cars that would butcher a ten year old super car under 80mph!
off_again said:
Interesting! Kia and Hyundai have some good EV's at the moment. A little boring maybe, but do great on range, standard features and all at a good price. Lets see how this turns out, but looks pretty sharp and at those specs, should be good.
The only concern I have is that Kia have tried to expand into new markets and somewhat failed. The Stinger is a good car and everyone says its massively under-represented on the roads. People just dont buy them, associating Kia with a 'discount brand'. Which is a shame, because those days are a long time ago.
The Stinger was a quick and easy halo car using, I believe, the Hyundai Genesis platform, so wasn’t so much an expansion as a headline grabber. Kia - and Hyundai, hydrogen car aside - have expanded into all the right markets at the right time: cheap cars during and immediately after the 2008 crash (I was working with Hyundai at the time, they moved A LOT of i10s!), SUVs when they became “the thing”, and now EVs with the Kona/Hyundai. The only real boat they missed was the Priusm although I’m led to believe the Ioniq is a big seller elsewhere in the world.The only concern I have is that Kia have tried to expand into new markets and somewhat failed. The Stinger is a good car and everyone says its massively under-represented on the roads. People just dont buy them, associating Kia with a 'discount brand'. Which is a shame, because those days are a long time ago.
Speaking of which, this same platform will underpin the Ioniq 5.
NDNDNDND said:
Why does the idea of a Kia that does 0-60 in less than three seconds make me a bit nervous?
I'm not sure I can imagine what the roads will be like when everyone has this sort of acceleration a prod of the throttle away.
Worrying about nothing. Mainstream cars have become much faster over the last few decades. By the time "everyone" has an EV with fast acceleration (which is many moons away), most likely there will be some sort of attempt to bring in autonomous driving of some kind. I'm not sure I can imagine what the roads will be like when everyone has this sort of acceleration a prod of the throttle away.
Looks interesting but I have a feeling it will be priced too high. The range is similar to the current eNiro, but it charges faster so either its a different battery pack or they have found another way to safely increase charging speed.
If it was reasonably affordable it could be a very interesting car.
If it was reasonably affordable it could be a very interesting car.
I believe it's going to be positioned against Polestar 2, higher-end Tesla 3s or lower end Ys, and Mach-E, and is the halo product for Kia's new EV line-up - so perhaps high £40ks/low £50ks? Nothing was suggested or hinted at in the presentation, so that's just conjecture on my part....
had ham said:
I believe it's going to be positioned against Polestar 2, higher-end Tesla 3s or lower end Ys, and Mach-E, and is the halo product for Kia's new EV line-up - so perhaps high £40ks/low £50ks? Nothing was suggested or hinted at in the presentation, so that's just conjecture on my part....
Seems fairly pointless then. I suppose maybe Kia want to adjust their image a bit but they actually have some of the best EVs on the market already.aestetix1 said:
Seems fairly pointless then. I suppose maybe Kia want to adjust their image a bit but they actually have some of the best EVs on the market already.
I'm not so sure it's pointless. It makes sense to launch a halo product first, create a few headlines and raise market awareness, etc, then follow up with the remainder of their product portfolio plan. Under their 'Plan S' strategy, they will launch seven new dedicated BEVs (not electrified versions of ICE models) by 2027 across several vehicle types, mostly in their existing/usual market segments.Is a £50K Kia too far a stretch? Certainly not in other regions (they've already gone into $60K territory with the K900 in the US for example), but it's different here in the UK of course. If the CV has the performance and style suggested, it may just be enough to elevate Kia credibility in the UK.
I think the advent of BEVs is reshaping brand perception here and in most other markets. Premium engineering is where it was at, premium innovation is where I think it's going.
We shall see - the market will decide!
had ham said:
I think the advent of BEVs is reshaping brand perception here and in most other markets. Premium engineering is where it was at, premium innovation is where I think it's going.
Indeed, Tesla has done the impossible of creating a new desirable (to many) brand.Kia and Huyndai are at the forefront and to many they represent good VFM and reliability, they are halfway there and I think it's wise they want to get ahead of the likes of BYD and Xpeng, taking the mantle of the more "vested" brand against those.
had ham said:
I'm not so sure it's pointless. It makes sense to launch a halo product first, create a few headlines and raise market awareness, etc, then follow up with the remainder of their product portfolio plan.
Perhaps, but they already have great market awareness with three of the best EVs on the market, all selling as fast as they can make them resulting in long wait times when ordering.Europa Jon said:
Until we actually see one or read an unbiased review, take everything about this or any other new car with a pinch of salt. Speculating about an unknown and unproven thing is completely pointless.
Yep, same with any car. But...... I've been working in the Automotive industry for 30 years or so, much of that as a consultant with no affiliation with any particular OEM, and what I've learnt of late is that Hyundai / Kia tend not to bulls
t to the extent many others do.This is unveiled next month, so not long to see how it stacks up against the claims.
aestetix1 said:
Perhaps, but they already have great market awareness with three of the best EVs on the market, all selling as fast as they can make them resulting in long wait times when ordering.
Indeed, but this is seen as the halo for their all new BEV-lead product strategy. Current range are seen internally within Kia as a 'stepping stone' to that.had ham said:
Yep, same with any car. But...... I've been working in the Automotive industry for 30 years or so, much of that as a consultant with no affiliation with any particular OEM, and what I've learnt of late is that Hyundai / Kia tend not to bullst to the extent many others do.
This is unveiled next month, so not long to see how it stacks up against the claims.
Indeed. Hyundai/Kia have consistently exceeded expectations with their BEVs and put out some great cars.t to the extent many others do.This is unveiled next month, so not long to see how it stacks up against the claims.
My only real criticism would be that they gave us Brit spec cars initially. Got to see the great Korean versions on YouTube, got all excited, and then the UK models turn out not to have any connectivity/app support and a load of other random downgrades.
had ham said:
I'm not so sure it's pointless. It makes sense to launch a halo product first, create a few headlines and raise market awareness, etc, then follow up with the remainder of their product portfolio plan. Under their 'Plan S' strategy, they will launch seven new dedicated BEVs (not electrified versions of ICE models) by 2027 across several vehicle types, mostly in their existing/usual market segments.
Is a £50K Kia too far a stretch? Certainly not in other regions (they've already gone into $60K territory with the K900 in the US for example), but it's different here in the UK of course. If the CV has the performance and style suggested, it may just be enough to elevate Kia credibility in the UK.
I think the advent of BEVs is reshaping brand perception here and in most other markets. Premium engineering is where it was at, premium innovation is where I think it's going.
We shall see - the market will decide!
How can a £50k kia be a stretch? what does a tesla cost? Kia's are nicely made things.Is a £50K Kia too far a stretch? Certainly not in other regions (they've already gone into $60K territory with the K900 in the US for example), but it's different here in the UK of course. If the CV has the performance and style suggested, it may just be enough to elevate Kia credibility in the UK.
I think the advent of BEVs is reshaping brand perception here and in most other markets. Premium engineering is where it was at, premium innovation is where I think it's going.
We shall see - the market will decide!
jason61c said:
How can a £50k kia be a stretch? what does a tesla cost? Kia's are nicely made things.
However good modern Kia/Hyundai cars are (and they are very good), one cannot deny the fact that the badge is a severe sticking point for a lot of people, especially the British who tend towards badge snobbery far more than most. jason61c said:
How can a £50k kia be a stretch? what does a tesla cost? Kia's are nicely made things.
As said, brand perception is real.
Not to mention, friend of mine had a kia about 10 years ago. While nicely made and probably as robust as a van, the interior was not to dissimilar to a commercial vehicle. Some of us know that brands can change, others stick to what they know. Hell, there are people who've heard bad things from a brand from afar and decided that every car from that brand is the worst thing on the planet :P.
For kia it's certainly an uphill battle. But on the other hand, as I mentioned, they do have one up vs the Chinese brands we have incoming.
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