How invasive is it to install electric car charge point?
How invasive is it to install electric car charge point?
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633Squadron

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1,727 posts

59 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Considering next car to be electric - but currently renting.

To install the charging point...
Can they tap into the existing ring main?
Or does is it need it's own wiring to the consumer unit?
Or... something else?

Thank you

Paul_M3

2,514 posts

207 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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It needs its own circuit, but that can be done a couple of different ways.

Mine is getting fitted Monday, and I think they'll probably just use a spare way in the existing consumer unit.

mradam

172 posts

116 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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It will feed off your consumer unit or a separate spur off the electricity meter, it won't come off the ring main

mradam

172 posts

116 months

Burrow01

1,975 posts

214 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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If you have a separate consumer unit in the garage, can it be connected to that?

No ideas for a name

2,934 posts

108 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Burrow01 said:
If you have a separate consumer unit in the garage, can it be connected to that?
If it has a 40A or more sub-main feeding it, then yes.

chrisch77

873 posts

97 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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It also depends on the earthing system in place so nobody can give you a definitive answer without a survey of your actual setup.

Frimley111R

18,151 posts

256 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Not sure what 'invasive' means but they connect to your fuse box. If there isn't space you'll have to have a secondary mini one to connect the charger to that. Then cabling to the charger location. In very simple terms that's it.

Garages in 99% situations are not wired for such a high demand as all they were required to do was power some lights and a few sockets.

They do not connect to any existing wiring circuits, all are on a brand new circuit which is best as they use up to a third of the total power to your house.

FlossyThePig

4,138 posts

265 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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A feature of my electricity supply was discovered when I had a solar panels installed. I have a three phase supply to the house with only one phase used.

So when I do replace my car with an EV do I start to use all three phases?

Paul_M3

2,514 posts

207 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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FlossyThePig said:
A feature of my electricity supply was discovered when I had a solar panels installed. I have a three phase supply to the house with only one phase used.

So when I do replace my car with an EV do I start to use all three phases?
You won’t have to, but it does mean you could have a 22kw charger which would be quite unusual in a residential property. It’s the cost of getting a 3 phase supply installed which normally puts people off this idea in a domestic property. Would be nice quick charging at home.

Michael_B

1,510 posts

122 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Paul_M3 said:
You won’t have to, but it does mean you could have a 22kw charger which would be quite unusual in a residential property. It’s the cost of getting a 3 phase supply installed which normally puts people off this idea in a domestic property. Would be nice quick charging at home.
I have 3 phase supply in both my Swiss and French houses, but as most EVs are limited to a 11kW AC charge rate (via their onboard chargers including my Telsa M3), the Swiss 16A charge point is just 58% faster at 11kW than usual domestic 32A single phase at 7kW. If you are usually just charging up overnight then this makes no practical difference in real-world usage.

I've not even bothered to install a charge point at our French place (despite it having a chunky 18kVA agricultural supply) as a standard 3 pin plug in the barn suffices for overnight topping up at a leisurely but adequate 3kW. If we are travelling further afield in France there are superchargers along the autoroute network if necessary.

ZesPak

25,996 posts

218 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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Paul_M3 said:
You won’t have to, but it does mean you could have a 22kw charger which would be quite unusual in a residential property. It’s the cost of getting a 3 phase supply installed which normally puts people off this idea in a domestic property. Would be nice quick charging at home.
I have it and tbh it's mostly unnecessary.
If you can charge your day-to-day overnight (10h?) you're golden.

I can charge 60km/h, I regularly (B.Corona) do 300km in a day, which I can charge in 5h. So half the charging speed would even be fine for me.
I know multiple people who have been granny charging for years. If you only do 100 km/day (60 miles), depending on the car a granny charger can basically do that overnight.

theboss

7,359 posts

241 months

Friday 5th March 2021
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633Squadron said:
Considering next car to be electric - but currently renting.

To install the charging point...
Can they tap into the existing ring main?
Or does is it need it's own wiring to the consumer unit?
Or... something else?

Thank you
I had mine installed on the outside wall with the consumer unit (100A) almost directly on the inside of the same wall, thinking he'd just drill through the wall.

Instead he ran a hefty cable back to the meter box on the outside of the house and installed a dedicated circuit breaker there.

Not sure what difference this makes other than the fact that I can't securely isolate the charger - anyone with a meter key could open the box and turn it back on. Not that I expect to find strangers charging their cars on my driveway.

Re renting - I sought the landlord's approval. I'll probably just leave it there when I move out rather than get it ripped out so I've done the owner a favour. It was free with the car anyway.

andy43

12,432 posts

276 months

Saturday 6th March 2021
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theboss said:
633Squadron said:
Considering next car to be electric - but currently renting.

To install the charging point...
Can they tap into the existing ring main?
Or does is it need it's own wiring to the consumer unit?
Or... something else?

Thank you
I had mine installed on the outside wall with the consumer unit (100A) almost directly on the inside of the same wall, thinking he'd just drill through the wall.

Instead he ran a hefty cable back to the meter box on the outside of the house and installed a dedicated circuit breaker there.

Not sure what difference this makes other than the fact that I can't securely isolate the charger - anyone with a meter key could open the box and turn it back on. Not that I expect to find strangers charging their cars on my driveway.

Re renting - I sought the landlord's approval. I'll probably just leave it there when I move out rather than get it ripped out so I've done the owner a favour. It was free with the car anyway.
As above it'll definitely need the landlord's approval but it might also be worth suggesting to the LL it's an investment in future-proofing his property - no halm in asking if maybe he could contribute to the cost?